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President Bush is urging Congress to let the CIA keep using "alternative" interrogation procedures -- which include, according to published accounts, forcing prisoners to stand for 40 hours, depriving them of sleep and use of the "cold cell," in which the prisoner is left naked in a cell kept near 50 degrees and doused with cold water.

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gaigerlian
Sept. 18, 2006, 8:52 a.m.
Is he serious? Well, that is cruelty. When will Bush ends his term by the way? lol
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DARKTOWER
Sept. 18, 2006, 11:11 a.m.
Wasn't one of the excuses Bush used to go to war with Iraq was that Saddamm tortured his own people and kept them locked up with no legal rights to consoul whatsoever? Gee right after the war we were using the very same prisons Saddamm used for the very same reasons.
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BlankFrank
Sept. 18, 2006, 11:12 a.m.
The argument put forth by those who support these techniques is: "You bleeding-hearts want to protect those who would do the worst to us. Why shouldn't interrogators have whatever tools they need?" The problem with this argument is that we are supposed to be trying to get information not revenge. It is also well-documented that torture provides bad intelligence. But winning the "war on terror" is not Bush's ultimate goal. He'd rather pander to the bloodthirst of his supposedly Christian base than to get accurate intelligence. Ironically, by using inhumane interrogation techniques any evidence we get may well get thrown out, and potential terrorists won't see justice.
By campaigning so vigorously for torture Bush shows the world that Abu Ghraib was no fluke.
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redphantom
Sept. 18, 2006, 11:21 a.m.
Shooting another human being is the cruelest thing a soldier can do, but that is part of war too. It seems that the author does not understand what it means to be at war and that such techniques can help prevent much more cruel tragedies to civilians.
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lawman
Sept. 18, 2006, 11:32 a.m.
When the Pope read a statement dating back hundreds of years denouncing the violence used by Muslim extremists how did much of the Muslim world react? With violence. Some even shouted "Death to America!" "Death to Israel!" (The pope is neither American or Jewish, by the way.) With that kind of irrational thinking, a nice mocha latte and a Kripy Kreme donut is really all we need to get a confession and cooperation from this kind of cold blooded enemy, don't you agree my liberal friends?
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deathray
Sept. 18, 2006, 12:24 p.m.
worker, particularly when the "hot" light is on...man those things are good straight out of the oven.
all kidding aside, most of the people glossing over the severity of the alternative techniques would call them torture if they were subjected to them. they'd change their tunes very quickly.
the question remains, is torture effective, or not?
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DARKTOWER
Sept. 18, 2006, 12:26 p.m.

It's Pretty hard to claim the moral high ground when your rooting around in the mud and muck with the other pigs isn't it Neo/fools ? Then again apparently it's not is it....
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IanFraigun
Sept. 18, 2006, 12:28 p.m.
Redphantom
When you use these techniques most will say anything no matter how inaccurate just to stop the torture. What is gained is nothing except the garbage used to stop the pain.
If you want real and valuable information you use more humane methods. Think of the old BadCop/GoodCop game. You want to use the BadCop only and expect good data. The only purpose in truth for the BadCop in this scenario is to allow the GoodCop to come across as a friend and thus be trusted with the real and true data.
Maybe your methods are good for retribution, but that does nothing to gain valued information it simply lowers you to the enemys standard.
I wouldn't even treat a biting dog the way you want to treat these people let alone the fact you gain nothing of value except showing your true colors.
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taquito
Sept. 18, 2006, 1:21 p.m.
I say we allow for electronic tracking devices embedded in each insurgent before we release them. Then we can track, find, and finish this job with old fashion battle tactic...no torture just bullets.
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samsara15
Sept. 18, 2006, 1:27 p.m.
We have no high moral ground as long as we torture. We are in the same sty with the other pigs.
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IanFraigun
Sept. 18, 2006, 1:49 p.m.
Rich4810
You just don't get it do you.
Just because someone else stooped to the level of slime in the DNA pool does not justify others doing the same thing.
What Hitler and Saddam did is irrelevent to what we here in the USA do.
We have a history of doing what is right even if it takes a bit longer to with the battle or war.
Just because Charles Manson viciously murdered all those people your logic would make it right for all of us to do that.
Sorry but that is not what this country or its people are all about. Maybe current leadership, that lied and cheated to take control are that way, but not the good people of this country.
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taquito
Sept. 18, 2006, 2:02 p.m.
IanFraigun:
Yeah we shouldn't take any interrogation tips from Hitler but I just think that Jihadist don't exactly want or deserve any rights that we give them. I mean they are Fighting against our system of rights and liberty. They hate us and everything we stand for. They don't believe that all men are created equal (especially not women in their minds). They don't want fare and equal treatent, they have shown us their idea of equal treatment with their video tapes. We shouldn't follow their example and as far as I know we haven't. We are saints compared to them.
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Gothican
Sept. 18, 2006, 2:03 p.m.
IanFraigun
I second that motion... Explain to me how "We the People" can allow a murderous, incompetent, moron, who is OUR president to continue his rampage? Voting? LOL
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perspective
Sept. 18, 2006, 2:04 p.m.
The problem with this debate is that there are those who try to make it appear that the U.S. is treating prisoners as poorly as the terrorists or other evil people would. If that were true, I would agree that we should torture for the sake of torturing (which is what Hussein did) He apparently enjoyed participating in it himself. So, please read the following links about how prisoners are treated before trying to draw some moral equivalence between the U.S. and terrorists.
http://www.religiousherald.org/921.article
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YzM4MGUyNWQ5MDQ1YzIwNjA5NGU5YTQ4OTU1OGE5Mjc
In addition, the average prisoner gains between 13-20 pounds, there are 4 medical personnel to every prisoner, all prisoners over 50 get colonoscopies, over 200 prosthetic limbs operations have been performed, guards do not touch the Koran to respect their religion, guards do not speak and avoid loud spots on the floor during their 5 daily prayers.
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taquito
Sept. 18, 2006, 2:13 p.m.
I just think that if a prisoner dosen't want to be tortured he should have to say "I love America and the American way". With a smile and holding an American flag. We then video tape each prisoner singing the National anthem an put it all over the web! cheers!
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workingal
Sept. 18, 2006, 2:14 p.m.
Guess its okay for them to behead our people, and blow up our country but its not okay for us to put cold water on them....Heck I wish he was ahead of the US prison system....
les would be in prison if they gotten that type of treatment.
I agree....its not cruel
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mr-breaker
Sept. 18, 2006, 2:24 p.m.
umm have any of you retards ever seen the how they torture and execute crimminals in the middle east. They chop off their hand and other body parts. personally sticking someone in a cell and hitting them with ice warter aint too bad.
and if we get attacked with a nuke I am not against burnning vilages and skinning prisoners.
Hey thats what I pay taxes for!
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taquito
Sept. 18, 2006, 2:41 p.m.
Guantanimo are you serious:
nine purported cases of abuse out of 24,000 interrogations
http://washtimes.com/national/20050714-121552-8634r.htm
I'd go there for vacation!
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Coop666
Sept. 18, 2006, 2:49 p.m.
What kind of idiot worrys about "the moral highground" when their lives are at stake? The "torture" inflicted on these muslim pigs is as bad as a sponge bath compared to what terrorists have done to innocent people. And lets not forget that the people the U.S. "tortures" are guilty of war crimes and terrorism. Muslim terrorists commit their violence on INNOCENT PEOPLE.
Also remember that what you call "the moral high ground" muslims call "weakness".
Stupid liberals!
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bobshotme
Sept. 18, 2006, 2:52 p.m.
What bush wants to do is NOT torture. Soon the liberals are going to say anyone with handcuffs on are being tortured because they are too tight...I am very much agaisnt torture of any kind, but this is not.
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Locky12
Sept. 18, 2006, 2:56 p.m.
People think we arrested these people for singing in the Mosque to loudly.
Thy're bloodthirsty terrorists and if we are going to get hit again, they are the best sources of information. WHY DOES BLASTING MUSIC COUNT AS TORTURE?!?! Does that make ANY sense whatsoever to ANYBODY?????
But who knows. Maybe BlankFrank would feel good going to a fiery death knowing his country took the high ground. Not from trying to get a conviction, but from TRYING TO PREVENT THE DISASTER IN THE FIRST PLACE!
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redphantom
Sept. 18, 2006, 2:58 p.m.
IanFraigun
What kind of leverage does the Badcop have for someone willing to kill himself to make a point? What can the Good cop offer that is better than 72 virgins in paradise? In the state where I live, biting dogs are put to sleep, but that would be inhumane for people.
AboundInGoodness
Review the findings of the 9/11 Commission.
taquito
A tracking device wouldn't stop an enemy from giving an order (by phone - eh) to others to detonate a bomb.
samsara15
When you deal with pigs, you get dirty... that's the reality of war. By this I don't mean that you have to act like them. Using harsh/cruel/torture (or whatever you want to call it) methods is not the same as intentionally killing non-combatants, keeping hostages or the other things that terrorists are known for doing. Harsh interrogation is a reality that has been part of war before the Muslim extremist groups came into existence, so the comparison is unwarrented.
ONE WORD FOR IanFraigun: HIROSHIMA
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bobshotme
Sept. 18, 2006, 2:58 p.m.
I swear the left will be the death of us all..
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redphantom
Sept. 18, 2006, 3:03 p.m.
My last comment about Hiroshima is not an endorsement for the Idea of using nuclear weapons against other nations (at this point in history). It's just a historical reference to IanFraigun's inaccurate comment: "We have a history of doing what is right even if it takes a bit longer to with the battle or war."
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workingal
Sept. 18, 2006, 3:14 p.m.
if we did onto them as they have done unto us.....that would be torture....but we have a thing called Morals in America...