National ID Card Threatens Security »
Posted by: populist 1 year, 4 months ago402 Comments Report this Story
The cultists who support this National ID card say that it's all voluntary. And it is. You can refuse to comply, in which case you won't be able to open a bank account, enter a federal building, ride a plane or train, etc. Yes, quite voluntary. A nice card, containing all sorts of sensitive information, which can be scanned everywhere you go.
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white-pawn1 year, 4 months ago
This is how the New World Order wants to keep track of all of it's possessions. That includes us. We will be reduced to nothing more than chattle when this ID card scam is implemented.
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populist1 year, 4 months ago
well i think people have already been reduced to less than human by governments all through history. this just seems to be more formalized...
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ciera-marie1 year, 4 months ago
white pawn:
To paraphrase a line from Minority Report who is keeping track, watch, holding accountable those who have our information?
I heard an ad on the radio this week for Medica Insurance touting the benefits of it's customers seeing their accounts online.
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ETproductions1 year, 4 months ago
Every time this trade-freedoms-for-security subject comes up now, my response is the same.
I recently did some research on the internet to determine the threat level posed by terrorists versus the threat posed by ones own government over the past 100 years. The results are eye-opening.
Governments have killed over 100 million of their own citizens over the past 100 years. In the same time, terrorists have killed something like 10,000. Which says that your own government is 10,000 times as dangerous as Islamo-Fascits or whatever the latest buzz word for hate-groups might be.
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populist1 year, 4 months ago
great point. there's a book out there that i recommend "death by government"
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1560009276/104...
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blackolives1 year, 4 months ago
"Governments have killed over 100 million of their own citizens in the past 100 years". This is true but you may want to qualify this statement. Totatitarian governments, particularily those of the communist persuasion have killed 100 million of their own citizens. The same liberals who are strongly opposed to a national ID card, also are in favor of abolishing our 2nd amendment right to bear arms. Almost every single one of those 100 million killed by their own governments were first disarmed through "gun control". An ID card is not a perfect solution but it would help monitor who belongs in our country and who doesn't. It's not as if they are planting a microchip under our skin, although with the rate that liberals are swallowing up all of our other constitutional rights, that might not be far off.
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KingOfTruth1 year, 4 months ago
ETproductions: Governments have killed over 100 million of their own citizens over the past 100 years.
Technically that should be Leftwing, Socialist, Communist, Marxist, Liberal Governments have killed over 100 million of their own citizens over the past 100 years.........usually after imposing gun control.....
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starvenus011 year, 4 months ago
Yes you are right but think about it. It is the whold world we are talking about. Most people don't think what is going to really happen here. First some people will say this is not to bad, than they will say great. But after the world has been taken over and everything blows up what will they say than?
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pervis1 year, 4 months ago
a social security number can't be read by a guy passing you with an electronic device. these new ID cards can. you aren't supposed to carry your SS card with you. why ??? so you won't friggin' loose it!! This card you will have to have on you always.
This is another way to control you. being controlled isn't being free.
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siRNA1 year, 4 months ago
No, the pansies are those supporting this card--afraid of their own shadows--as if this card would actually do anything to protect us against a determined foe. Very likely the next "terrorist" attack on us is going to be by goons from Halliburton and Blackwater enforcing martial law.
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Xaos1 year, 4 months ago
I don't need the government to protect me, I can do that myself thanks to the Constitution. What most of the discussion here is about is protecting our Liberates from the government. This administration has passed more laws that infringe on the rights of its citizens in the name of security than any other in recent history. Totalitarianism always begins this way. Restrict the rights of the people, keep track of them, make travel a hassle, make sure that you are able to deal with any potential troublemakers swiftly and quietly. Read through the Patriot Act and Military Commissions Act, then go read some history. This is history repeating itself. If our founding fathers were here today, they would be leading the charge against this legislation.
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katiecakes1 year, 4 months ago
Thank you. That was my exact thought. We do seem to be moving in that direction don't we?
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starvenus011 year, 4 months ago
That is what I was trying to say I agree with you on that. Thank you for saying for me.
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SarrahA1 year, 4 months ago
I'm surprised that I haven't heard anything about this National ID card. It's ridiculous how fast we are losing all of our freedoms in this country under this Bush administration. They place every violation of our rights under the "It'll protect us from terrorism" umbrella. I can't wait to see what they come up with next.
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pervis1 year, 4 months ago
I can see how you would be able to equate socialized healthcare ID card with the National ID cards that BUSH proposes.
NOT!!
The clinton card looked like a credit card with a magnetic stripe on the back and necessary patient info on that stripe. I get cheap or free healthcare and wellness care.
the BUSH card has an RFID chip in it. It contains ALL of your information and maybe your DNA?!?! Don't forget the chip on the card can be read while its in your wallet in your pocket. and it broadcasts that info for anyone with the right tools to see. I get my identity stolen and can't even file bankruptcy anymore.
totally the same thing.
with one i get free healthcare, with the other they can find the box I shrivelled up and died in.
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ciera-marie1 year, 4 months ago
SarrahA:
They started talking about it right after 9/11. Doesn't get a lot of airplay in or on mainstream media. If you voice objection and want to know more about it then you are told you support the terrorists. Real ID chip is supposed to be in passports now.
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protoham1 year, 4 months ago
Don't blame Bush, this has been coming for a long time, ever since they assigned us Social Security Numbers.
Citizen 113434345
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DeadXXXManXXXTalkin1 year, 4 months ago
(( under the "It'll protect us from terrorism" umbrella. I can't wait to see what they come up with next.))
they don't have to come up with anything else. If something's working don't fix it.
I like to think most people understand we been hoodwinked and bamboozled, but the hits keeping comin.
repeat this once more:
Within the last couple days Karl Rove was speaking at Mount Union College in Alliance, Ohio.
A heckler in the crowd yelled out 'Whose idea was it to start a pre-emptive war !'
Rove yelled back: 'Osama Bin Laden's!'
Effectively calling his 'boss', who has disavowed pre-2003 Al Qaeda - Iraq ties, a big ol' liar.
These bastards can't even keep their own lies straight. Put'em in separate rooms, let an average beat cop go at each, and the whole thing would crumble like a rotten old cookie.
PS I keep repeating the Mount Union Rove story because it's local news here, and I don't know if people had heard it nationwide.
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wastedvoteinNY1 year, 4 months ago
Just to clarify your time line a little, this goes back a few years before Pres. Bush took office. Its an international movement, not a US plot. read a little something on a topic before you just take whatever crap populist dumps here as gospel truth.
"Over the past eleven years, Privacy International has been at the forefront of opposing these proposals in a number of countries including Australia, New Zealand, the Philippines, Thailand, the United Kingdom and the United States. In recent years, attempts to create national ID cards in the US, Korea and Taiwan have all fa lied because of public opposition."
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starvenus011 year, 4 months ago
It won't be just Bush adminstration but those who are comming.
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Nowalive1 year, 4 months ago
Pop,
Excellent piece. While I don't agree with every aspect of the national ID, I do feel that there are some merits in having uniformity in identification documents. I am from Maine. I got my license at the age of 14, in 1978. This was just a paper license which when folded on the crease was a little larger than a business card. It was not laminated and had no photo. While traveling out of state with my family I was stopped because a Georgia State trooper thought I was driving illegally. He did not believe that my license was real or valid. He was very aggitated and pulled his license out and began screaming at me "This is a drivers license!" It was a paper license with a cut out polaroid and laminated. It was eventually straightened out (5 hours) and we were free to go. So uniformity is important, but some technologies do not have to be implemented.
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disraeli1 year, 4 months ago
Good line - not the abuse of power but the power to abuse.
Everyone has run across those individuals (bylaw officers, town clerks, bureaucrats etc) who go out of their way to make one's life miserable seemingly for no other reason than they have the power to do so. Give the petty little people that populate all bureaucracies more authority and watch the acts of random state intrusion go through the roof.
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