Politics – President Bush vetoed legislation to pull U.S. troops out of Iraq Tuesday night in a historic showdown with Congress over whether the unpopular and costly war should end or escalate.
Fabienne: The link above has been changed to a more fully fledged article rather than a three sentence summary.
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additional info on CNN:
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/05/01/congress...
Thanks TimALoftis-I was just looking into puttin up that link...:}:}
i just typed something that now it says "comment reported: abusive" i dont know if that means that my comment was a busive (which is wasn't) or if i accidentally hit the report button on YOUR comment stoners. thats probably what i did. im sorry if thats the case. un intentional.
I don't understand why this is "Bush Vetoes Troop Withdrawal Bill" and not "Bush Vetoes Troop Funding Bill"!
How can this guy complain about Dems not funding the troops when he's vetoeing their money and their plane ticket home?!
"It makes no sense to tell the enemy when you plan to start withdrawing. All the terrorists would have to do is mark their calendars. ... Setting a deadline for withdrawal is setting a date for failure, and that would be irresponsible," Bush said.
Does anybody else see the messed up logic here?
The enemy in Irag is insurgents...who bomb and attack US troops. The terrorists that attacked the US on 9/11 are all over the world, so leaving Iraq has nothing really to do with them. Syria and Saudia Arabia are more populated with Al Queda terrorists than Iraq is. What about Iran? How do you think all those insurgents are getting their truckloads of explosives in?
Republicans bla bla bla- Bush find your spine and make a good decision without consulting your Halliburton Board, opps... I mean cabinet. America wants our soldiers home.
Democrats bla bla bla
Take a real stand. Call out the blackened souls of greedy warmongers! END THIS WAR!
TeacherLady; you are preachin' to the choir!!! You keep bringing up verified points, and this old swab-jockey will corner the neo-conartists and shove all points into the nearest available orifice!!!
The Congressional Retreat and Surrender Caucus has suffered what is apparently their goal, defeat. Now they can go back to the President and engage in their other favorite, retreat and give him a bill that he can sign.
Another PolitiGono infected BushBitch refuses to face THE fact that LeShrub is simply throwing a hissy fit because
CONGRESS IS ACTUALLY DOING THIER JOBS!!! The only 'surrender'
going on is politis/uts surrendering thier credibility
You need immediate help for a severe case of LeftyPoliticalClicheSpeak.
P.S. Typing in ALL CAPS!!! is a clear indicator of a serious lack of creditability and seriousness.
you DO make a good point.
the Dems imediately going to draft a new bill rather than just produce a porkless similar bill is a sign that they were out for merely politcal standing. AND it is a sign of spinelessness. theyre pansies who complain about how stubbern and idiotic bush is (and rightfully so) but then given the power to do something about it, they lack the will to stop him from continuing to demolish our country.
its sad. there are no statesmen left.
ady you are screwed up!!>>>>
How? Why? What's your take on this?
... Setting a deadline for withdrawal is setting a date for failure, and that would be irresponsible," Bush said.
This is from the guy who said, "Bring Em On".
Bush must hate the military. That's what I heard said about the Dems whenever any of them objected to the GOP's troop-related, pork-stuffed bills...
amazing, isn't it? But, in reality, I didn't support this war funding bill either - for different reasons, though.
The only funds I support are those that will be used to bring these people home - to a place where they won't be forced to kill or be killed.
Once they're home, this country must start focusing on a new direction - one where we don't incite violence against us, prop up ruthless dictators, invade nations, and the like.
Read more on this in "A Foreign Policy for America"
http://www.populistamerica.com/a_foreign_policy...
Lacking the votes to override the president, Democrats have already signaled they intend to approve a replacement bill stripped of the troop withdrawal timetable. Determined to challenge Bush's policy, they are turning their attention to setting goals for the Iraqi government to meet as it struggles to establish a more secure, democratic society.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070502/ap_on_go_pr...
If in fact they do wait until March 2008 you could be looking at another 1100 dead American troops. Is that acceptable to the American Public. Bush Co must go and now, maybe some body could tell Al Quaida when all the secret service were going to take a break and let them deal with them as it seems your country can't.
Pop,
I like your thinking, and as a representative from California has recently pointed out, if we dismantle the military the rest of the world will leave us alone.
Maybe you can make an argument for WWII (which I doubt because the depression probably did more to give the world WWII), but how would the US have stopped WWI from occurring?
Here's a simple question. How has poking our nose in Iraq helped the US?
Wrong. Europe gave us WWI and II along with the international bankers. But notice one country that managed to stay out of both wars, Switzerland.
By they way, speaking of bankers, are you aware of the fact that is was George W. Bush's grandpappy that helped fund the Hitler war machine?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,131...
Nakedtruth, you are absolutly right on track. If people want to know what's really going on, research what nakedtruth is saying about international bankers. There is a huge cancer in the free world, one that can be cured. But people need to know the truth first. No people are more hopelessly enslaved then those who falsly believe they're free.
Also check bush involment in the bay of pigs.check out who shrub mother in law partied with in europe in 1924,check out Leo Wanta.your president does not have a skeleton in his closet it's a graveyard.
I have checked it out.
NT is right.
King Sol will now pull ALL of his fingers to make the BushBitches think they are under attack!!
"if we dismantle the military the rest of the world will leave us alone."
That may be the craziest, stupidest thing I have ever seen written on this site. And there's some pretty silly stuff here, lemmetellya. I realize it's a quote from a representative from the land of fruits and nuts, but still...
Notwithstanding the posturing, in the final analysis both of these corrupt monopoly parties are funding a war for an oil grab. The sole reason we went to Iraq is to seize its oil resources. It is now estimated to have oil reserves on par with Saudi Arabia. We're talking about trillions of dollars of oil profits for oil companies - the interests that have hijacked America's national security complex.
That is why the Dumbya dictatorship built more than a dozen permanent bases ringing the oil fields. That is why the legislation that the State Department devised with oil companies is being forced down the well-greased Iraqi Parliament's throat. The contracts with Big Oil are to last for over 35 years.
Our troops are the expendables and the American people are just tax livestock to underwrite this misadventure.
There is no honesty from this WH or the media: this discussion has been and will be religiously avoided.
Three cheers for Corporate America!
Once they're home this country must begin the process of prosecuting the criminal minds that instigated this, the biggest crime scene since Nazi Germany, and then put in place laws that will ensure it can't happen again. Think post-WWII.
True Texan, but the laws already exist. They just need to be applied.
Popu-
I don't support any further funding of this operation, except to bring the troops home. The mercenaries can stay, and be paid for out of the Iraqi defense fund.
What kindles me is the rhetoric of "I don't support the war", closely followed by ".. but I'll give open-ended timetables to conclude it".
Furthermore, as long as there is a US military presence, the lens that indicates who's at the head of the insurgent/Al Qaieda/factional fighting is obscurred. I thin the Iraqis are ready for peace, at any cost, and our presence is not ensuring that.
As well, what reason is there to look at the avenue of diplomatic efforts and employing the Iraqis in rebuilding thier country as long as it's so profitable for some to keep this war going on until we have no option but to withdraw? By then we will have raised the age of eligibility to the point we are emptying out retirement homes.
Anyone recall civil disobedience?
Suckalib----Thank you! You are always good for a rant that makes us all laugh.
That's why several generals have pointed out that al Qaeda recruitment has been on the rise and that Iraq became the perfect training ground for their operations. The Dumbya dictatorship played right into their hands.
General Odom, formerly head of Military Intelligence has emphasized this fact and strongly urged Dumbya to sign the bill.
Most of the al Qaeda operatives in Iraq are foreign agents. They form a very tiny, fractional percentage of the insurgent resistance to US occupation. Out of a population of 20 million (Iraq has lost 4 million of its best and brightest since our illegal invasion.) al Qaeda ops in Iraq are estimated at around 1000. Al Qaeda would be in a very lousy situation if we left Iraq. Both the Shia and Sunni militias would hunt them down and exterminate them. Al Qaeda would have to flee for their lives.
Our presence in Iraq is destabilizing that country. Iraqis have to make their own peace and organically forge their own country.
Libssuck,
Bush removed a tyrant who kept al Qaeda out of Iraq. Bush sacrificed all those innocent Iraqis and our soldiers in Iraq for nothing because Saddam, who was totally contained, was persecuting Islamists on his own in his endless attempt to maintain absolute power. Saddam was in essense helping us by limiting where al Qaeda could operate.
By NOT completing the job in Afghanistan and improving America's relations in the region, Bush has permitted al Qaeda to recuperate and grow.
Bush is an absolute failure and his supporters are morons. The only way to success is to remove Bush and Cheney from power and allow true diplomats to take control.
Good points. Add to that the fact that Pakistan now has carved out an Al Qaeda stronghold with BUSH'S APPROVAL!
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/...
Amazing isn't it? How stupid are Bush administration supporters that they refuse to acknowledge how incompetent it is? They must be forced to support them on purely ideological grounds or they are true-believers. Either way, Bush supporters aren't too bright and are the greatest threat we face as a nation.
Does ANYONE actually believe that there will EVER be a day where they say "I told you so"???
Of course not..and THAT is the question that these stubborn, cold-hearted, ill-informed idiots should be asking themselves..
Here's another question: Do they know better than the majority of US generals, admirals, military advisors, intelligence agencies, former cabinet members and the majority of the world (which was once on our side)?
Well, Bush thinks so....He's a prize! Can we give him back?
(and his dog too)
They are siding with a man who still has severe amounts of cocaine in his brain. Look what he's done to us!
How can they still support that fool?
They are obviously bigger fools..
COFFEECAKE-----You are right on the money. Well said! The idiots will now further identify themselves if they take issue with your comments. :-)
look at the Timebuster beauty..Classic Coulter
Obviously he has no relatives in the military,
or knows anyone who understands how COWARDLY
it is to send young kids into battle when you
never had the decency to serve when drafted..
Cheney had "other priorities" in 1968, when he was drafted.
Even Colin Powell is disgusted.
Those who have been fooled by
the greatest deception since the Joe McCarthy
"Communists living next door" disgrace deserve our sympathy.
What will it take to make them wake up?
Will they ever realize that they are historically
going to be seen as appeasers of bad government,
ala Hitler,Mussolini, Caesar)..other great decievers
who claimed to be "uniters"?
If they can't figure it out by now then I feel bad for them, but why waste our time with that sad minority?
How many more lies will they deny before they can no longer deny them with ANY dignity?
Everyone who matters is building momentum to get us to do the right thing..FINALLY!
You certainly are something there skipper....have you been to iraq? Have you SEEN anything you feel the authority to spout off about? I HAVE...and as per the usual, you talk of things you know nothing about. You dont care that 75,000 children who couldnt go to school before, not once, can now go and get an education in schools WE built for them...yah, we accomplish nothing...it is obvious...talk about a cold hearted zealot...you fit the bill nicely...I am switching from Democrat to Republican...well, maybe independent, but my dear Democratic party has become plain old stupid.
What are you talking about? Iraq had schools under Saddam. Schools were already there. Of course some were destroyed in the bombing but they existed prior to "shock and awe". Women also had Western style freedoms under Saddam's secular Baath Party rule.
Sure, he was a horrible person but was fully supported by your right-wing heroes and could have been removed through far less devastating means. So just knock off your disingenuous harumphery.
You aren't "switching" parties now are you? You're already a right-wing zealot so just knock off the "I'm leaving the Democratic Party" nonsense. We don't buy it.
How much is Karl Rove and the RNC paying this jagoff???
The only Gulf Vets I've seen backing LeShrub are those PAID to do so. Another satisfied BushBitch.(They musta sprung for lube
for this one!!!)
You mean the schools WE blew up?
Please join us realists and help us REBUILD NEW ORLEANS..
By the way, I was never in Nazi Germany or old Rome but I still know how screwed up their leaders were..can you at least agree on that?? Those who blindly supported Caesar and the bull that he slung were res[ponsible for the fall of Rome as was hitler and Germany. Do you still insist on being just like one of them?? Or, do you want to take a trip to downtown Baghdad where they just blew up their own(safe..green zone)capital building. Do you still prefer to buy stock in the Jessica Lynch, Pat Tillman fairy tale tellers? (actually,they are LIARS)
We can't tell the green zone from the red zone!
I am disappointed that you insist on remaining stubbornly with the lying, ill-informed, dis-illusioned minority..
Face it..we picked a fight with the family cat, because the family dog bit us, and now we're fighting a record number of ever-breeding cats, which we are taunting out into the open.
Hint: Dog=Bin Laden
Cat= Muslims of all kinds (Shiite and Sunni)
Get it?? Too bad, the rest of the world does!!
Cold hearted would be what we created with no plan ro stop American and civilian deaths..THAT is cold hearted!
So, what's your plan?
Do you suggest that we go back to Vietnam?
(we stil have some soldiers's lives we can risk)..
COLD!!! FRIGID!..STUBBORN!! DUMB! Who needs a plan?
They signed up to fight..
Close all the hospitals..don't plan on any of them coming home! Nice plan!!
How can they still support that fool?>>>>>
How? By listening to 450 radio stations across this nation, spew the CON line! They don't have access to anything that will help them THINK rationally about all sides of the issues! Add to that a so called 'news' media that spews the same rhetoric, and what else can you expect? They are being propagandized! Most people don't have the time, let alone the inclination, to search for the realities of this mess! All they have is a complicit media, that participates in the dumbing down of the American people!
If the sectarian violence is down (which I have not seen evidence of), then progress is measureable and goals can be set and achieved. Why be afraid of goals, unless it is not obtainable or not the end objective.
What would be the reason the Iraqi leadership is against us leaving? Is it because they do not want to deal with the problems on their own? There will always be a large portion of the Iraqi people who want us out.
If we are trying to eliminate al-Qaeda (which there is not really any evidence of), why are we attempting to do it by cutting off the tail of a snake that can regrow it? Would it not make more sense to go after the head, if our goal is to eliminate it?
Supporting our troops is putting them in a situation which is tenable and winnable. The President can't tell a National Guard member (what is he guarding on a national level?), who has completed multiple tours of Iraq, an expectation of when the job will be done. Utter failure in a project mgmt world.
libsuck said
"He (Bush)supports them by not emboldening al-Qaeda to continue its terrorist attacks upon coalition troops and innocent Iraqis based on a bogus withdrawal timeline. You obviously have missed news reports saying sectarian violence is down"
You obviously missed Bush calling on Al-Qaeda to "Bring it On," which history reveals emboldened them quite a bit. Also, maybe you need to stop watching Fox and start accessing some real information. Violence is up over 50% from the same time last year.
What sucks is your grasp of the facts.
YOU FOOL!
Here's a mirror...jagoff.