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  TechnologyExpert1 year, 2 months ago

  Rice said she had informed new Palestinian Prime Minister Salam Fayyad of the decision in phone call earlier Monday.

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  Thinker221 year, 2 months ago

  Given that Hamas has the overwhelming power in Gaza lifting the embargo means that money and suppolies coming into Gaza will be picked up by Hamas. As a result, both the level of violence in Gaza and the power of Hamas will increase. In direct contradiction to official declarations this and the support to Abbas-led Palestinian Authority in the West Bank may result in two separate Palestinian states, at least one of which (in Gaza) will find itself at war with Israel.

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    libsRfunny1 year, 2 months ago

    That's one opinion.

    It's possible to lift the embargo and not include Gaza/Hamas. Ever consider that? No? lol

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      Thinker221 year, 2 months ago

      > It's possible to lift the embargo and not include Gaza/Hamas.

      Yes, it is. On one condition: You personally will have to go to the West Bank and assure that the goods, supplies and money will not go to Gaza.

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      badnootka1 year, 2 months ago

      excluding gaza in the economic lifting is not an option. The aid must go to gaza as well. IF hamas is seen as the savior for the funding then so be it. If the palestinians are that stupid that they will continue to back a losing horse (and they will) then we should allow them the opportunity to continue their fight amongst themselves. It is after all completely Bush's fault. (LOL)

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        Thinker221 year, 2 months ago

        If the economic aid will go to Gaza Hamas will not only be seen as a savior but it will also be in charge of the use and the distribution. Basically, aid going to Gaza will go first and foremost to Hamas.

        Further, if in response to increase of terrorism Hamas will be rewarded by increase in economic aid Palestinians and other Arabs will conclude that more terrorism will result in even more aid.

        Paying the terrorists for future increase in terrorism is, probably, the most ridiculous recommendation I've seen in a long time.

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    Daylight1 year, 2 months ago

    Thinker22

    For the last 60 years the same kind of circus has been repeated to condone Israeli terror. Nothing is going to change as long as Israel is supported by the Nazi regime of Bush & Chaney.

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      beachboy60001 year, 2 months ago

      So this has been going on for 60 years and its all Bush's fault? Let's see.....60 years. 1947! Truman, Ike, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton and Bush. But its the "Nazi regime of Bush and Chaney (sic)"

      Hammas revealed itself for what it is. They dont want peace. They dont want a state for their people. They want to kill jews and will slaughter anyone (even fellow Muslims) who get in their way.

      Well done Daylight.

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        Daylight1 year, 2 months ago

        beachboy6000

        So this has been going on for 60 years and its all Bush's fault? Let's see.....60 years. 1947! Truman, Ike, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton and Bush. But its the "Nazi regime of Bush and Chaney (sic)"

        So you agree all these administrations were involved in supporting Israeli occupation and land grab, European Jewish citizen never had country called Israel in the land of the Palestinian people. Nazi regime of Bush and Chaeney made it more difficult

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          BB641 year, 2 months ago

          Land grab? They attacked Israel. Israel fought back and captured land. So far none of the demands of the arab world have been met. Why would Israel return anything? You attacked, you failed. Get over it. Let me ask you this, if these people were so important, why didn't Syria or Jordan want them back when Israel wanted to deport them? It's because their own people don't even want them.

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          Thinker221 year, 2 months ago

          > European Jewish citizen never had country called Israel in the land of the Palestinian people.

          Let us see what the 'Palestinian people' had in this land...

          Interestingly enough, the 'Palestinian people' did not even exist as a people prior to the late 1960s. They were first mentioned (and defined) in the Palestinian Charter of 1968 and even there they're defined as "Arabs who lived in Palestine for two years prior to 1948." According to this definition, Yasser Arafat, an Egyptian from Cairo, is a 'Palestinian'.

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          Thinker221 year, 2 months ago

          > European Jewish citizen never had country called Israel in the land of the Palestinian people.

          Of course they did not. King David, King Solomon, Jesus Christ and all his apostles were Venusians... or 'Palestinians'?

          According to the Quran they all were Jews but what is Quran? Just a collection of old lies, is not it? Say it,'Daylight'!

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        Daylight1 year, 2 months ago

        beachboy6000

        Israelis are very innocen people the only teach what they learned from Hitler.

        These Jewish fatwas are responsible for instigating religious Jews against Arabs. Last year, Rabbi Mordechai Eliyahu, former Sephardic chief rabbi and an influential authority among conservative Jews, issued a fatwa asking the Israeli Army not to flinch from killing Palestinian civilians in the context of the ongoing military campaign against armed groups resisting the occupation. He mentioned in his fatwa, which received special attention from religious media outlets and hundreds of pamphlets distributed inside synagogues in Israel. that all Palestinians must be murdered, even the ones who are not participating in the war against terrorism. This wasn't enough for the revered rabbi, who said that this was not only a fatwa, but a religious duty from God that Jews must follow.

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          BB641 year, 2 months ago

          I suspect it's the 60 years of declared war on Israel that really makes them feel dislike for you folks. You try invading that fails. You try missils and that fails. You try the car bombs and that fails. You try the terrorist bomb vests and the like, also failing. You have most of the UN supporting too and that fails you. What exactly do you guys do well at? I mean besides raising terrorists.

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          Thinker221 year, 2 months ago

          > These Jewish fatwas are responsible for instigating religious Jews against Arabs.

          Of course! Thousands of Jewish men, women and children deliberately murdered and maimed by Arab terrorists did not 'instigate' the Jews. It's the Rabbis who learned from their Islamic counterparts to issue "fatwa's" who are responsible for it.

          Dod your source also mentioned the name of the mosque where Rabbi Eliahu issued his fatwa? You know that he could not do it in a sinagogue, don't you?

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      BB641 year, 2 months ago

      Daylight, perhaps you should think of drugs...

      You certainly hate Bush and Cheney but as an arab supporting bigot, I would have thought you supported them. If it wasn't for Bush & Cheney, who else would restrain Israel? The IDF has one of the best trained militaries in the world. The airforce is second to the USA. The army has been fighting successful wars for 60 years without a defeat. If Bush didn't stop them there wouldn't be an arab world. Israel could have started east only stopping at the Arabian Gulf to reload. We should simply cut Israel loose and walk away.

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        Daylight1 year, 2 months ago

        BB64

        You certainly hate Bush and Cheney but as an arab supporting bigot, I would have thought you supported them

        If I were an Arab supporting bigot, you were an Israeli supporting bigot. IDF has one of the best trained militaries in the world, as long as others are unarmed, you completely forget how they wanted to destroy Hizbolla and got killed in that 32 days fighting, Olmert is still licking his wounds. If not for American support Israel, there would be country call Israel with all the power and hype.

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          crghss1 year, 2 months ago

          Without oil middle east would be just like Africa but worse.

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          BB641 year, 2 months ago

          Hizbolla? Those murdering S*B's. I would want to destroy them. In fact all of the terrorists in that region should be destroyed. Anyone hiding in residential areas in Lebanon and then lobbing missiles into Israel should be targeted. Your team hides in women's skirts or at least under them. Hizbolla, isn't that Arabic for cowards? Why not fight like men, not a bunch of coos coos eating surrender monkeys.

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          Thinker221 year, 2 months ago

          > ... you completely forget how they wanted to destroy Hizbolla and got killed in that 32 days fighting, Olmert is still licking his wounds.

          Apparenlty, it's YOU who forgot that less than 1,000 Lebanese were killed in these 32 days of fighting. Try to compare it with the 1,200 Egyptian soldiers killed during ONE AVERAGE DAY of October, 1973 and you'll realize that Israel could easily destroy Hezbollah members together with 100,000 or more other Lebanese protecting them but had chosen to do everything possible to save their lives instead.

          > If not for American support Israel, there would be country call Israel with all the power and hype.

          Again, you're fogetting something, namely that there was very little American support prior to 1973 but somehow Israel existed. Fuether, even today, the Amrican support amounts to about 2 percent of Israeli budget. you would not commit suicide if your salary was reduced by 2 percent, would you?

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        Thinker221 year, 2 months ago

        Israel did not and will not "start east".

        Despite all Arab lies it was Israel who repeatedly asked for peace and it were the Arabs who repeatedly refused.

        Despite all Arab lies it were the Arabs who started all the wars in the Middle East and lost. They could afford it. Israel can not afford losing a war.

        Despite all Arab lies Israel does not want Arab lands and does not want to rule millions of Arabs. Israel only wants to live in peace.

        Despite all Arab lies since 1967 Israel had only given away land hoping that people living there will prefer peace and prosperity to death and misery. It was a mistake.

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          BB641 year, 2 months ago

          You're right. One funny thing I've noticed. Throughout Israel and much of the middle east, where the Jews live, things are green and lush. Where the Arabs live, it's brown, dank and basically a desert. I could see if they tried to claim it was because of water rights or something like that. But in Jordan or Syria, there are ne Jewish rights. Perhaps this is supposed to be Jewish land. This should really set off DimLight, I mean Daylight.

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  aniokly1 year, 2 months ago

  This makes no sense. If Hamas wants all that American money, just kill a bunch of women, and children and the U S will send you money. That is precisely when we should cut off their money. And what do we get in return?

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    Thinker221 year, 2 months ago

    > And what do we get in return?

    More dead women and children, of course.

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    Daylight1 year, 2 months ago

    aniokly

    Hamas never asked American money.

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      Thinker221 year, 2 months ago

      > Hamas never asked American money.

      Of course not. Hamas has enough money stolen from the ordinary Palestinian men, women and children to purchase hundreds of missiles and millions of bullets.

      It's those Palestinian men, women and children who have no jobs, no money, no food and no medicines thanks to their democratically elected Hamas leadership. It's those Palestinian men, women and children who desperately need American money. Unfortunately, if the US will decide to give it to the Palestinians it will be stolen (again) by Hamas.

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        Daylight1 year, 2 months ago

        Thinker22

        > Hamas never asked American money.

        Of course not. Hamas has enough money stolen from the ordinary Palestinian men, women and children to purchase hundreds of missiles and millions of bullets

        If Hamas is well armed, the Israelis won't be calling itself a regional super power. And they they have the right to fight Israel and they have the right t arm themselves like everybody else to defend themselves and their people from the terror mechines.

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          Thinker221 year, 2 months ago

          > ...they have the right to fight Israel and they have the right t arm themselves...

          Well, if they "have the right" to fight Israel then Israel has the right to defend itself. Up to and including turning Gaza into a giant parking lot.

          If you want a war you should get what you're asking for. Just don't complain about a "humanitarian crisis" if killing Israelis is more important to you than feeding your own people.

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      BB641 year, 2 months ago

      You bet your butts they have their hands out every chance they get. Between the claims of being charities to direct contributions from the Saudis, they take money from everyone. So now they claim they'll stop killing each other if we pony up money again. Why the heck should we? So then they'll go back to killing us?

      My problem with this whole area is the claims of being Palestinian. At best they're Jordanians or Syrians at worst; they're the illegitimate children from Turkish occupation. Long story short, Jordan or Syria doesn't want them back either. If they can't play nice with each other, let's just provide weapons to both sides and let them kill each other off for us.

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  NelsonR1 year, 2 months ago

  Oh, that Condi Rice is so intuitive. She has yet to master any agreement within the entire world, but now she has accomplished a feat of statesmenship that is extremely remarkable. She will give money to achieve peace to both Fatah and Hamas, allbeit Hamas is slightly shortchanged.

  Condi has accomplished this with Bush by achieving a remarkable policy for America's future course. Now for those who lost their homes through natural disasters, Hurricanes, criminals (bankers) don't fret your tax dollars are going to a worthy and noble cause, Peace. No guarantee on the Peace part since in the end the guns and ammo will be used against us through terrorist attacks!!!

  Good job Condi, college educated too. Only you could have adoped this novel policy for our future. My only suggestion you and Georgie go to the North Pole alone while the ice is thawing and stay awhile. Global warming shouldn't be a problem. Trust your conservatives.

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    djrevelky1 year, 2 months ago

    There is more evidence to suggest that you just said anything of substance than to suggest their is man-made global warming.

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      NelsonR1 year, 2 months ago

      direvelky - My post was to be humor. There is no land beneath the North Pole so my post was saying something!! I am not saying for sure the thaw will occur. Should have said instead of the North Pole analogy, Condi and Bush could go talk to penguins and become members of their nest and stay.

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  spikecwc1 year, 2 months ago

  Let's see how long it takes for the rockets to start flying

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    BB641 year, 2 months ago

    There were attacks on Israel about 7 hours ago. Rather then going in force Israel fired a few 155mm rounds. So we'll hear about the civilian casualties shortly.

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  cherev1 year, 2 months ago

  "She (Rice) said the administration would work with Congress to reprogram assistance to the Palestinian Authority and would also contribute an additional $40 million to the United Nations to help Palestinians, particularly in the Gaza Strip, which is now controlled by Hamas. "

  So we're going to provide aid directly to the terrorists. Yeah. This'll bring peace.

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  deathray1 year, 2 months ago

  Gaza gets all it's electricity, fuel and water from the Israelis as it is. Hamas only receives support from the people in Gaza to the extent they can continue to provide basic services, and Israel is constrained by wanting to avoid a major humanitarian crisis on their western border.

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  Thinker221 year, 2 months ago

  > Israel is constrained by wanting to avoid a major humanitarian crisis on their western border.

  A major humanitarian crisis on Israeli Western border? In Jordan? Are you sure?

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    ryan6011 year, 2 months ago

    I don't understand your comment, Thinker. Deathray is right, the Gaza Strip is on Israel's western border. Jordan (and the area known as the "West Bank" is on Israel's eastern border.

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      Thinker221 year, 2 months ago

      You're right, it was my mistake. It was too late an I was tired.

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        ryan6011 year, 2 months ago

        "You're right, it was my mistake. It was too late an I was tired."

        No biggie, it happens to the best of us.

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  BB641 year, 2 months ago

  You know, you guys crack me up. Claiming Israel wants to kill all of the Palestinians is like claiming the USA wants to kill all the Iraqis. Numbers and power, Israel has the weapons, the troops and the airpower to kill; murder or destroy the Jordanians or Syrians living in Palestine. Why don't they? That's not the Israeli's way. The same cannot be said for terrorists living in Palestine.

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    Daylight1 year, 2 months ago

    BB64

    As for Rabbi Eli Albaz, who is one of the distinctive Eastern rabbis, he never misses an opportunity to attack Islam and condemn the Prophet (pbuh). He insists on complaining in front of his audience by telling jokes that address Muslims and Palestinians and using filthy language to attack Muslims. And Rabbi Eliyahu Reskin continuously ridicules the reconciliation attempts to create dialogue between Jewish rabbis and Arab officials. He believes that the only language of dialogue between Muslims and Jews should be bullets. He feels that without convincing the Arabs in general, and the Palestinians specifically, settlement can't be forced upon Israel so the efforts of peace are worthless.

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      BB641 year, 2 months ago

      The person you call prophet would be charged under Islamic law and executed as a child molester, according to biography. Perhaps if people actually read the Quran they would realize it's a book written by a mad man.

      No where in the Torah or Christian Bible does it espouse salvation or heaven by murdering your enemies. In fact according to many of your team, it's better to die with the blood of the innocent on their hands. 9-11 is a great example. I've never seen a Jew or Catholic seize a plane full of hostages and crash it into buildings. Must have missed that from the Sunday sermon.

      As to a dialogue, what for? Only to allow your enemy to rearm and train more troops? It's time to let Israel use the Arab methods like they use in Syria, Jordan Iran or Iraq. You don't like what people are doing, you murder them and claim they're rebelling.

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      Thinker221 year, 2 months ago

      > He believes that the only language of dialogue between Muslims and Jews should be bullets. He feels that without convincing the Arabs in general, and the Palestinians specifically, settlement can't be forced upon Israel so the efforts of peace are worthless.

      He is not alone. Here is what the entire Palestinian National Congress (Parliament) believes:

      > Palestinian Charter, Article 21:

      > The Arab Palestinian people, expressing themselves by the armed Palestinian revolution, reject all solutions which are substitutes for the total liberation of Palestine and reject all proposals aiming at the liquidation of the Palestinian problem, or its internationalization.

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  Thinker221 year, 2 months ago

  > Palestinians won't accept a Vichy government

  Fine. Then they should get what they ask for, continuation of war.

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  Thinker221 year, 2 months ago

  > Palestinians won't accept a Vichy government

  Fine with me. They should get what they ask for, the Hamas government and the consequences of their choice. Gaza can (and should) be closed for everything except 100 Israeli shells flying back for every single Arab rocket.

  > America is the enabler, sustainer and justifier of 40 years of Israeli Nazism whose ultimate goal is the obliteration of Palestinians ....

  If you believe in this you'll have no troubles to explain how during the60 years of "Israeli Nazism" the number of Arabs in Israel INCREASED by 900 percent. In addition, you'll explain how the number of Jews in the Arab states DECREASED by 99%... apparently, due to "Israeli Nazism" there.

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  joeblowe1 year, 2 months ago

  I'm not sure -- lemmesee if I got this right now: The Palestinians somehow THROW OUT the duly elected parliament, and NOW our government says OK, now we're talking, here comes some money? Just because WE don't like who they elected? What kind of "democracy" is that we are supporting? Or do I misunderstand this entirely? Those guys all have funny names and I don't seem to have a scorecard handy.

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    quackpot1 year, 2 months ago

    It is called Diplomacy Bush style. You are looking for something that makes sense?

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    BB641 year, 2 months ago

    Both sides are terrorist based groups who have used women and children as legit targets for murder. We shouldn't work with either side.

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      Daylight1 year, 2 months ago

      BB64 Send

      Both sides are terrorist based groups who have used women and children as legit targets for murder. We shouldn't work with either side.

      Israeli missiles are humane, they recognize innocent people from the combatants. Israelis never kill innocent Palestinian kids, men, women, and old people. Sometimes their missiles make mistakes.

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        BB641 year, 2 months ago

        First off, if you're going to try to fight with me, perhaps you should read the article. It's about the two sides based in Palestine and I never mentioned Israel. I'll type slowly so you can keep up. You have two terrorist groups fighting for control of Palestine. So you have terrorist against terrorist. BTW, there isn't a nationality call Palestinian. They're Jordanian, Syrian or the remnants of from the Turkish occupation.

        Israel was involved today, but that isn't part of this article. Israel was fired upon and returned fire today. Defending themselves is permitted, isn't it? It's sad when the enemy is so cowardly they must hide in civilian neighborhoods. Then again hiding under a woman's skirt is par for their course.

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        Thinker221 year, 2 months ago

        > Israeli missiles are humane, they recognize innocent people from the combatants.

        No, they don't. No one, even the Israelis, has such magic weapons. This is the precise reason civilians are being killed, especially given that the Palestinians DELIBERATELYuse their own wonem and children as shields.

        > Israelis never kill innocent Palestinian kids, men, women, and old people. Sometimes their missiles make mistakes.

        This is correct. Israelis never DELIBERATELY kill innocent Palestinian kids, men, women, and old people.

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          BB641 year, 2 months ago

          You are correct. Don't for get the terrorist use the civilian areas to store the weapons and fire from there for the purpose of making Israel look bad. Using the blood of the innocent must be part of the Islamic culture. I've never seen this any where else.

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      Thinker221 year, 2 months ago

      If "both sides are terrorist based groups who have used women and children as legit targets for murder" then how you explain the unbelievably low number of Palestinians killed during this war (TWO per day) given that the Israelis can easily kill 200,000 of them per day?

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    Thinker221 year, 2 months ago

    No, it's NOT because we "don't like them", it's because this "duly elected government" is a bunch of mass murderers. Nevertheless, I agree that paying the Palestinians for stopping killing each other is wrong. Only when the duly elected Palestinian government will stop violence and ask for peace negotiations we should promise them aid on a condition that they'll keep their promises they'll make in the negotiated peace agreement.

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  BB641 year, 2 months ago

  So now we're dealing with one band of murdering cutthroats instead of the other band of murdering cutthroats. We shouldn't be dealing with either. Terror becomes terror in this part of the world. If they can't play nice between themselves, why should either side merit our support? Until they love their kids more than the hate us, nothing will change.

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    Thinker221 year, 2 months ago

    Sometimes it makes sense to help a weaker enemy group to fight the stronger one.

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      BB641 year, 2 months ago

      In the normal world, that is sometimes possible. In this part of the world it's not a good move. We helped in Afgahnistan and the let OBL move in. We protected Saudi and Kuwait from Saddam in 1990 and that got us bombed in several places and 9-11.

      To be honest, using Islamic concepts of war, we should blow the heck out of both sides in this case. One are a bunch of cutthroat murderers and the other side is a bunch of murdering cutthroats.

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  Charlson1 year, 2 months ago

  Nation building or nation bribing? Hamas is the democratically elected Palestinian government and the Fatah is the Bush backed Palestinian government. What is wrong with this?

  I am against Hama's stance against Israel's right to exist. But I am also against this bribing diplomatic initiative of flooding the Fatah with money. We are trying to buy Palestinian loyalty for Fatah with American Aid. This practice has led to disasters before and I'm afraid this is going to be one of them.

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    Thinker221 year, 2 months ago

    > I am against Hama's stance against Israel's right to exist.

    Do you believe that Israel has the moral and legal right to fight them back until they ask for peace or are eliminated? If the answer is yes then you'll have to agree that it makes sense to pay to someone willing to do the job.

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      Charlson1 year, 2 months ago

      I believe Israel has the right to exist and also defend itself. But it is not Israel who is paying the Fatah. It is America. We have a habit in backing those favorable to us and losing. That is my point. I would like to see the more reasonable group (Fatah) gain power in the Palestinian territories. But Hamas has more popular support among the Palestinians. Do the math and you'll realize who will most likely end up with control of the Palestinian government.

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        Thinker221 year, 2 months ago

        > it is not Israel who is paying the Fatah. It is America.

        It was Israel who built schools, universities, roads, hospitals and factories for the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza. It was Israel who supplied tens of thousands of jobs to the Palestinians until the increased level of terrorism made it impossible. It is Israel who supplies Gaza with electricity, water, fuel and emergency medical services despite the barrages of Kassam missiles coming from Gaza. Finally, it is Israel who is going to release 1 Billion dollars of Palestinian tax money to the Palestinian Authority.

        > Hamas has more popular support among the Palestinians. Do the math and you'll realize who will most likely end up with control of the Palestinian government.

        You tell us. There are more Palestinians in the West Bank than in Gaza and they support Abbas now. On the other hand, more and more Palestinians are trying to escape from Gaza and its 'democratically elected' terrorist rulers.

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  SpazMat1 year, 2 months ago

  Why is this man smiling?

  Because all he had to do was kill some Palestinians, and the $$ tap turned back on. This is not a lick on the Palestinians, it's a lick on Bush.

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  zembel1 year, 2 months ago

  Carter said Hamas, besides winning a fair and democratic mandate that should have entitled it to lead the Palestinian government, had proven itself to be far more organized in its political and military showdowns with the Fatah movement of Palestinian Authority Chairman Mahmoud Abbas

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    BB641 year, 2 months ago

    Carter? This guy has been a failure since, well, looking back just after his birth. He failed to react as governor when farm families were getting hit with huge tax increases in GA. Then as President, besides out of control inflation and a failed energy policy, he failed to react when we had an ambassador killed and an embassy taken. Since 79, we've had terrible problems in the Middle East. Had he reacted with strength, now cowardly restraint, we wouldn't be where we are today. Both sides are evil in this case and should be treated as such. If they starve to death because they're too busy trying to kill each other, oh well. It might slow down the car bombings elsewhere.

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