The stolen election of 2004 »
Posted By engineer 1 year ago in NewsThe 2004 presidential contest between Senator John Kerry and President Bush Jr., amounted to another stolen election. This has been well documented by such investigators as Rep. John Conyers, Mark Crispin Miller, Bob Fitrakis, Harvey Wasserman, Bev Harris, and others. .
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bumbaklotartattack1 year ago
A secret document obtained from inside Bush campaign headquarters in Florida suggests a plan - possibly in violation of US law - to disrupt voting in the state's African-American voting districts, a BBC Newsnight investigation reveals.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight...
http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/162.html
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-476215...
Election fraud, you idiots! They're going to do the same thing again, and the damnocrats are going to be set to inherit the throne.
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lfergie8121 year ago
Yes knothead, what crap. Thanks bumbaklotartattack, that video was quite long but very interesting. Anyone that doesn't believe that those voting machines cannot be fixed are idiots. As someone that has written a few programs, with enough skill, you can have a computerize device to do anything you wish with numbers and those vote counters are computerized devices.
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FordTruck5Speed1 year ago
Just like all the voting machines in New Jersey that arrived at the poll sites with votes already in them? Oh, and what about the busloads of people that were driven from poll to poll in Florida (no, they most certainly didn't vote republican)? How about all the dead people that voted for democrats in the last 2 presidential elections? That wasn't voter fraud? Oh, I guess they came back to vote in spirit. Democrats lose and it's voter fraud. Republicans lose, and it's what they deserve, dammit!
Some of you guys are just amazing.
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tanglang1 year ago
Don't forget the native Americans who drove from reservation to reservation voting under different names. A conservative talk show host named Denny Shaffer once had pictures of some of them doing this that werte taken by a S. Dakota reporter. Wonder why that story wasn't page one? Maybe because they voted democrat.
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capecoralM1 year ago
Note from the article: Mass challenges have never occurred in Florida. Indeed, says Mr Sancho, not one challenge has been made to a voter "in the 16 years I've been supervisor of elections."
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capecoralM1 year ago
[A] careful review of the facts shows that in 2004, paid Democrat operatives were far more involved in voter intimidation and suppression efforts than their Republican counterparts. Examples include:
* Paid Democrat operatives charged with slashing tires of 25 Republican get-out-the-vote vans in Milwaukee on the morning of Election Day.
* Misleading telephone calls made by Democrat operatives targeting Republican voters in Ohio with the wrong date for the election and faulty polling place information.
* Intimidating and deceiving mailings and telephone calls paid for by the DNC threatening Republican volunteers in Florida with legal action.
* Union-coordinated intimidation and violence campaign targeting Republican campaign offices and volunteers resulting in a broken arm for a GOP volunteer in Florida.
* Former ACORN worker said there was "a lot of fraud committed" by group in Florida, as ACORN workers submitted thousands of fraudulent registrations in a dozen states.
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capecoralM1 year ago
October 21, 2006: "Registration forms' late delivery makes 1,100 ineligible to vote"
About 1,100 King County residents are not eligible to vote in the November election because a box containing their voter-registration forms was sent by UPS rather than U.S. mail, election officials said Friday ... "They didn't have a U.S. postmark that was posted in time," Deputy Prosecuting Attorney Janine Joly said.
The registrations were collected by ACORN, which has been implicated in numerous incidents of voter registration fraud around the country.
My reaction at the time was to criticize ACORN for disenfranchising 1,100 voters. But as I've been hearing lately from a number of sources, a very large number of those registrations appear to be fraudulent (multiple registrations in identical handwriting; few "voters" who can be reached for confirmation; purported voters who deny having completed the form).
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capecoralM1 year ago
Filed Wednesday, November 01, 2006 at 6:05 PM
PUB DEF has confirmed that four ACORN workers have been indicted today in Kansas City in a case of voter registration fraud similar to those currently being investigated by the U.S. Attorney in St. Louis.
UPDATE: The four indicted workers are Kwaim A. Stenson, age 19; Stephanie L. Davis (aka Latisha Reed), age 39; Brian Gardner, age 40; and Dale D. Franklin, age 44. Each are charged with two Class D felonies relating to submitting voter registration cards with false names and/or addresses.
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capecoralM1 year ago
Convicted of one count of conspiracy to commit vote fraud during the Nov. 2 election was Charlie Powell Jr., head of the city's powerful Democratic Central Committee and a former city council member. He faces five years in prison.
Convicted of conspiracy and vote fraud and facing five years on each count were:
* Kelvin Ellis, a Democratic precinct committeeman and former East St. Louis city government department head who served a federal prison term for extortion in the early 1990s.
* Yvette Johnson, secretary to the city Democratic organization.
* Democratic precinct committeemen Sheila Thomas and Jesse Lewis.
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capecoralM1 year ago
Nov. 18: Nine precinct committeemen appear before a federal grand jury probing vote fraud during the Nov. 2 election.
December: In St. Louis Six volunteers pleaded guilty in December of dozens of election law violations for filling out the cards with names of the dead and other bogus information. One still faces charges.
January 21: Kelvin Ellis, a top administrator at East St. Louis City Hall, was indicted for plotting to kill a witness in the year long East St. Louis, Illinois federal vote fraud investigation.
February 10: In St. Louis Nonaresa Montgomery was found guilty by a jury of perjury in a trial in St. Louis Circuit Court in the St. Louis vote fraud trial.
March 22: Precinct committeemen Leroy Scott Jr., 46; Lillie Nichols, 51; Terrance R. Stith, 43; and his wife, precinct worker Sandra Stith, 54; plead guilty to one count each of vote-buying.
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capecoralM1 year ago
March 23: The chairman of the East St. Louis Democratic Central Committee and councilman Charles Powell Jr. is charged with conspiracy to commit election fraud. Charged with conspiracy as well as election fraud are East St. Louis City Hall employees Jesse Lewis, Sheila Thomas, Kelvin Ellis, and Yvette Johnson.
June 29: All five defendants are convicted on all counts.
That comes out to 16 different Democrats convicted of election violations in the last 7 months in the St. Louis area!
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capecoralM1 year ago
Acorn and its affiliates have pulled some real stunts in recent years. In Ohio in 2004, a worker for one affiliate was given crack cocaine in exchange for fraudulent registrations that included underage voters, dead voters and pillars of the community named Mary Poppins, Dick Tracy and Jive Turkey. During a Congressional hearing in Ohio in the aftermath of the 2004 election, officials from several counties in the state explained Acorn's practice of dumping thousands of registration forms in their lap on the submission deadline, even though the forms had been collected months earlier.
"You have to wonder what's the point of that, if not to overwhelm the system and get phony registrations on the voter rolls," says Thor Hearne of the American Center for Voting Rights, who also testified at the hearing. "These were Democratic officials saying that they felt their election system in Ohio was under assault by these kinds of efforts to game the system."
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capecoralM1 year ago
A field director for one of the many national partisan organizations trying to drum up votes in Florida admits to routine efforts to rig the outcome. They include submitting thousands of invalid voter registration cards, as well as failing to turn in boxes of cards filled out to register Republicans.
"There was a lot of fraud committed," said Mac Stuart, former Miami-Dade field director for ACORN. Among his allegations -- that ACORN "quality control" workers routinely kicked back Republican voter registrations while paying for Democratic ones. "They said they had enough," he said.
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Stuart said ACORN officials at state headquarters in Tampa were aware of what was going on, and discouraged him from talking about it. He said he was ultimately fired as "a loose cannon."
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capecoralM1 year ago
But it's not the first complaint of fraud against the NAACP Voter Fund, which insists it is nonpartisan.
Elections officials in Lake County, just east of Cleveland, last month began investigating the group and an anti-Bush group called Americans Coming Together, or ACT Ohio, for hundreds of suspicious registration forms and absentee ballot requests.
Among them was one, submitted by the NAACP Voter Fund, for a man who'd been dead for more than two decades.
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lfergie8121 year ago
LOL They had control of the voting machines and Blackwell. What Blackwell did topped everything capecoral was babbling about.
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Teagen1 year ago
I Milwaukee with the women buy votes for smokes being taped by WISN Channel 12, an ABC affiliate. Did I mention she was a paid employee from the New York DNC? Did I mention even with over 6 hours of evidence the DA's office didn't go after her? Then again, he's also a member of the DNC.
When the GOP did an address search, they found that several bill boards and under passes were listed as home addresses. Too bad the DNC didn't buy a new mailing address when they created voters. Then you have the tires being slashed by Gwen Moore's son. Or as she's also called, Congress woman Moore. The best is Mike McGee. Not only is he an alderman but he's being held in jail almost a year pending his trial. Seems he didn't understand threatening witnesses he shook down for bribes shouldn't be threatened while on tape calling from a prison phone.
Milwaukee is just the tip of the ice breg. Before the DNC goes after the GOP, they really need to clean up their own house first.
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Blackacereturn1 year ago
The question is why this election? Why this guy? the powers that be must have known he well is an idiot!
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bumbaklotartattack1 year ago
You can't refute any of the facts, so you just call it names? Nice debating you. You gonna stick your tongue out at me next? LOL! American.
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Cheryl41 year ago
Get a grip on your "facts" KNOTHEAD. It was Gary Condit and the missing girl was Chandra Levy. And he had nothing to do with this issue.
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MRCOFFEECAKE1 year ago
Isn't it amazing how those who represent the dark side will
throw anything up and hope it sticks!
Knothead has never bothered to worry about facts..
He still defends Bush.>That should say it all...
he's not even rich, so I'd love to know his logic behind defending the worst president in US history.
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tanglang1 year ago
"He still defends Bush"
As do I. Call me a fair weather fan if you want, but President Bush was right. Which is why I support him.
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djn3nunez31 year ago
The only thing I think President Bush was right on was going after bin Laden and the Taliban. When he morphed that effort (using Americas' emotions about that terrible day) into the invasion and occupation of Iraq (an oil rich Arab nation that was not involved in the attacks of 9-11) is when his presidency went horribly wrong.
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gamahuche1 year ago
>>President Bush was right
RIGHT WING.
WRONG in every other possible way.
UNELECTABLE anywhere except in the USA.
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MRCOFFEECAKE1 year ago
He has been wrong on education, the economy (which you were all foolishly bragging about until the CANADIAN DOLLAR passed us for THE FIRST TIME EVER!
Brilliant defecit economics,poor military medical care, horrific nation healing, and nothing to lower fuel costs (the LARGEST GAS INCREASE IN US HISTORY).
Since we invaded Iraq, Madrid and London have suffered from terrorism inflicted by AlQuaida cells that had already been living there and we are not safer from terrorism. We have joined the evil forces of Sunni insurgents who are on our side (now) to get rid of the invading AlQuaida who entered their country only to assist them in removing the invading US.
We have infested the area like rats, and now we have joined forces with the other rats to remove the rats that we permitted to enter the country.
This is a plan?
Do you have ANY expectations of leadership?
Your support of him speaks volumes of your inability to have a clue. People are suffering and you support him.
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MRCOFFEECAKE1 year ago
Tanglang votes negative..which I couldn't care less, but it tells me that you read my facts and cannot refute them..
Aren't you warn out yet?
Do you really need more than Colin Powell, Alan Greenspan, a Rumsfeld, Ashcroft, Andy Card, Gonzales, and 4 Iraq war leader's resignations to give it up already?
Admiral Fallon (Bush's appointee) didn't say it clearly enough for you??
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MRCOFFEECAKE1 year ago
Of all people you MUST stay awake.
It is a full time job trying to defend the dark side of evil
and there are fewer and fewer off you remaining..
Again...You remain pointless.
(that means you can't make a point while actually bringing us facts that you can BACK UP as opposed to MAKE UP..
Get it??
Bush has obviously shared his liars and cheaters disease with the remaining few who try their "Nuremberg" defense..
When in doubt accuse the right side of ANYTHING..Sorry that facts bore you, but that is what Hiss and Goerring and all the other pointless, pathetic Nazis acted like when they realized the gig was up. (bored)
I'd rather be accused of being boring than be on the side of rotten bastards like Bush..So, thanks for the affirmation, even if you don't know right from wrong yet!
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MRCOFFEECAKE1 year ago
Believe me, NOBODY follows you..
Except maybe you urine sharing foul mouthed buddy FSU.
I just started giving you rampant* negs because you mentioned that it bothers you.
I can't speak for, or see who else you rampantly *(that means often and without reason) give negative votes to because only the recipient can see where the votes came from, but you have done nothing other than that to me for months and I look at it as another incidence where I have confiused you with facts..
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MRCOFFEECAKE1 year ago
Let's face it..it's you, FSU, halko, tanglang, endo, and a hit and run automan and commodore trying to put up a defense against a credible grandpa, lfergie, Ricky, cierra, donald51, cheryl, populist, davidn, stoners, dunkirk, scrib, neophile, gamachuche, johnQ, bkumm, ghost, bumbaklo, ncneon,
papa, shadow, monkeybiz, global, din, questions, crespi, jasper, hannibal, scott, miklkit, starlord, and dozens of others, along with me, who are realitic, passionate and only put up with your foolisness because it helps us understand how to prepare ourselves against the dark side/...
he only credible "true conservative" poster and longest holdout is slate.
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Teagen1 year ago
I'm not rich but I support the Bush policies in Iraq. If you're going to talk corruption, it's bad on both sides. From my home state, the DNC are terrible, from others it's the GOP. On the Levy case, he certain was one of the road blocks. When you're doing your assistant and she goes missing, by trying to hide that, it delayed the investigators. Then again with that case the other weak link there were the "highly" trained DC cops. I'm not ripping on all cops but knowing the DC cops, it's amazing they found her at all. Must have thought it was a new doughnut shop.
BTW-Carter is clearly the worst president in the last 100 years.
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gamahuche1 year ago
Knotheads think urinating on people is subtle and/or humorous?
Henceforth every time I see your name I will see you laughing subtly under your golden shower.
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MRCOFFEECAKE1 year ago
He's into drinking urine?
That explains everything..We get our adrenaline from
coffee..but, that's ok, whatever floats your boat..
notice I have NEVER once made a comment about being a knothead.. You do know what that infers, don't youz//
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hdthehn1 year ago
Right on Cheryl-
that shut Knothead up. Typical of the cons position: I am right and you are stupid liberal.
When the name fits wear it proudly Knothead!!!
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GHOSTWHOWALKS1 year ago
Well darth you can always leave and take your BS with you. Oh, and the only moron around here is you. The rest of us can read, write, and carry a conversation that doesn't involve lies.
Nope the great as* hole isn't running but the facts remain that the Repugs stole the elections and are probably going to try again. They count on the dumb-like you- to believe everything they say. Actually they need you to believe everything they say and not bother to check the facts.
The other day there was an article on the dumbing down of the US and you just proved their point.
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Endoscopy1 year ago
Anybody that believes that the Democrat party was totally innocent in these things and the Republican were the only dirty villains needs to talk to me about some waterfront property here in Florida. I can sell it to you cheap.
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Cheryl41 year ago
Really? Guess you don't know enough about the U.S. Attorney firings by Gonzales and what it really was all about ... the disenfranchisement of voters, prosecuting Democrats for voter fraud that was never proved to be true, etc. I'm from Ohio and almost all the people in our elections board were FIRED AND MANY PROSECUTED AND FACE JAIL TIME FOR THE FRAUD THAT TOOK PLACE DURING THE ELECTIONS. Guess that was all a figment of our imagination, and that of our Republican newspaper that reported it, huh?
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Georgia501 year ago
So Clinton gets to fire all sitting US attorneys and Bush doesn't? Nice. As for Buckeyes prosecuted for fraud, so what? Who paid the most fines for election fraud in 2000 and 2004? Betcha it was Democrats. And besides, that fraud did happen is but one factor. The other question that you must prove is, did the fraud cost someone an election? Most fraud on either side is penny-ante crap that gets lost in the bigger numbers.
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PapaWolf1 year ago
>>So Clinton gets to fire all sitting US attorneys and Bush doesn't?
Why are you STILL spouting this?
Just about EVERY president fires all USAG's upon taking office - especially when he was of a different party from the outgoing president. Bush did it, as did Clinton, Reagan, Carter, Nixon, etc., etc., etc.
The Bush firing scandal is because they were fired FOR POLITICAL REASONS. Most were either investigating Republicans or not indicting Democrats prior to the election.
And before you say anything, the DOJ's manual clearly states that it does NOT bring indictments just prior to an election. It waits till after the election to bring indictments. That was pointed out in the hearings.
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PapaWolf1 year ago
Try this link:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/ar...
where it says "THE LATEST they-do-it-too excuse for the undeniably botched and increasingly suspicious firings of U.S. attorneys involves the 1993 episode in which President Clinton's new attorney general, Janet Reno, unceremoniously dismissed the first Bush administration's holdover U.S. attorneys."
Note that it was done AT THE BEGINNING OF THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION. And, as stated many times by various people, the were Bush Holdovers - again, just like almost every president before him.
In my quick perusal of my google search, the only firings I see from Clinton were either at the beginning of his 1st term, or after the AG's served their 4-Year terms.
If you have other info showing he fired certain AG's to quell or hasten certain investigations, please post it.
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PapaWolf1 year ago
>>Clinton fired them for political reasons also, he just did it all at once so he could replace them all. Claiming that the practice is non-political is a fiction.
Alright. Read this carefully. I'm typing slowly because I know you're a slow reader - at least slow in comprehension.
Clinton, Bush 2, Bush 1, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon, Johnson, Kennedy, Eisenhower, etc., etc., etc., fired all AG's AT THE BEGINNINGS OF THEIR TERMS. This is not a politicization of the DOJ, this is replacing staff just like the rest of his cabinet.
What W did was, in addition to the original firings, was fire the AG's for 1 of 2 reasons:
1) They were investigating Republicans
2) They were not bringing indictments against Democrats prior to the midterm elections - which is the DOJ's protocol.
If you can't see the difference, then you actually live up to your moniker.
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Endoscopy1 year ago
I will type slower. Any president has the power to fire a whole lot of people including AG's for any reason or no reason. Maybe he doesn't like the color of their eyes. Is that simple enough for you.
Throughout their terms all presidents have used this power from time to time. Dems just want to fuss about anything Busch or his administration does. They want to tie him up in investigation after investigation over nothing to try and prevent him from being effective. They promised to do this remember.
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PapaWolf1 year ago
Gave you a POS by accident.
But if you look at http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/di...
Stuart M. Gerson, acting attorney general at the start of the Clinton administration and now a D.C. lawyer states that
"It is customary for a President to replace U.S. Attorneys at the beginning of a term. Ronald Reagan replaced every sitting U.S."
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PapaWolf1 year ago
>>Any president has the power to fire a whole lot of people including AG's for any reason or no reason
That's true & not so true. If, as it appears in this case, he is trying to manipulate or even quash ongoing investigations is basically illegal.
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nccneon1 year ago
"They want to tie him up in investigation after investigation over nothing to try and prevent him from being effective."
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If what he's been doing so far is 'effective', HELL YES, let's stop him from being effective from now on!
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lfergie8121 year ago
Endoscopy
I for one am not saying that it is only the Republicans that are doing it and that is why I hate the touch screen voting machines that don't leave a paper trail. Take the time to watch the video that bumbaklotartattack posted above and ask yourself if it had been the other way, how you would have felt. The voting system needs to be above reproach. Link:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-476215..
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MRCOFFEECAKE1 year ago
Don't bother. There are 7 or 8 people here who fear the truth so much they will say anything to get away from the real subject. (It's an old 9 year old's trick)..
We don't buy it. THAT is why they are in the sad minority.
AND SHRINKING!
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Endoscopy1 year ago
The only way to have it above reproach is to have machines that will give the same answer every time and to keep them secured for the whole process. It is very much harder to mess with a special purpose computer than to mess with a paper product. People committing voter fraud have been doing it with the paper for over 200 years in this country. As a computer expert I can tell you electronic voting machines are extremely difficult to mess with. The expertise to do it is very high. Then comes the ability to get unrestricted access to the machines after they are programmed for the election. Why do people think they can be rigged so easily? Why do people think a paper trail will accomplish anything? The paper trail would be the easiest point of attack on the process. Slight of hand artists have been doing for centuries.
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MonkeyBiz1 year ago
"The expertise to do it is very high..."
Here for your amusement is a simple function that will add one vote to Bush whenever a tenth vote is cast for Kerry. So simple a first semester C student could do it.
{
if (int vote = = Kerry) //if the vote cast is for kerry
{
int count ; //increase the count by 1
}
if count = 10; //if (when) the count reaches 10
{
int vote = bush 1; //increase the votes for bush by 1
int count = 0; //reset the count to zero
}
return; //start over
}
"...programmers you would need to "fix" every voting machine in just a few hours?"
One programmer, < 10 seconds.
Have you ever sent an email to a group of people? A programming change to a network of machines could be done all at once and almost instantly.
All programmable touch screen machines should have a government certified program that is cryptographically "sealed" prior to its use, with a paper trail that could be used for a re-count.
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MonkeyBiz1 year ago
If you are a programmer, please note that Propeller removed the plus plus signs from the post above.
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JackofallChems1 year ago
Nicely done. One minor detail though: it's the wrong algorithm to 'steal' an election reliably. Thanks to the Founding Fathers stumbling into a really fantastic solution to voting fraud, the electoral college forces fraud to go large-scale in order to be truly successful. If all states are win/lose for the one candidate out of two that gets the most votes (yes, people in Maine just don't get it), the result of the electoral college will statistically match, to within a few percentage points, the result of the popular vote. In order to change this through fraud in a clear-cut election, it's necessary to steal votes from a sizeable number of states to switch them from one candidate winning to the other. In a close election, it's easier to steal the votes, but by the same token it's easy for the winner of the electoral college to be different from the popular vote in a 'clean' election. {cont}
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JackofallChems1 year ago
In other words, the electoral college forces fraud to be done on a very large scale to put a preferred but unpopular candidate in charge, and provides an automatic kick-in-the-teeth to the voters for failing to come up with at least one worthwhile candidate in a close election where neither candidate is really able to unite the country behind a common cause and provide competent leadership. Since the 2004 election was so close, it's obvious that neither Bush nor Kerry was all that worthwhile, and it really didn't matter which one won - we were all going to suffer some sort of unpleasantness regardless. The challenge is for major political parties to field candidates that can appeal to everyone at once because they are both competent and they talk sense. This election, the Democrats are a bust because Hillary (the alleged crook) and Obama (the wimp) are both nitwits that have latched on to bad ideas. Let's hope the Republicans can do better - faint chance, though. :-(
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MonkeyBiz1 year ago
A handful of precincts in Ohio is apparently all that was needed last election.
BTW - Voting fraud was not the rationale for the electoral college and your statement, "the result of the electoral college will statistically match, to within a few percentage points, the result of the popular vote.." is not necessarily true.
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cowboygrandpa1 year ago
Endoscopy: Don't need your swampland or your Bushland since they would be one in the same USELESS. Try to understand. Bush is a liar and a thief. So are the people behind the GOP. So are the people behind the Democrats. But who stole the elections? The Bushies. Hard for you is it? Well lets see. They stole votes, lied to people, threatened people, didn't allow people to vote. Where I come from-that would be in America-that is against the law. So we have a criminal in office who is protecting himself illegally. Since he is not truly the President of the United States of America. He does not have the rights he claims. He is in fact guilty of many felonies. He should be tried and impeached. Is that any clearer for you.
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Endoscopy1 year ago
Name calling and no facts. How about facts like the Democrats that slashed tires of republican cars that were to be used to take elderly people to the polls. There were instances like this on both sides. Calling someone names does not make them true. If there was that much on the Republican side the Democrats in Congress would be all over that.
By the way. This house is on a key near where I live. The people who own it want to sell it. They had to leave it and buy another home since erosion seems to be having the house fall into the water. They are not allowed to put up a sea wall to prevent it because environmentalists had laws passed to prevent that.
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cowboygrandpa1 year ago
Endoscopy: Sorry for your friends predicament. The facts are there. Slashing tires is wrong no matter who does it. When I say "Bushland" I refer to the America Bush is trying to create. Nazi America. Whether you agree or not it is happening. Look around ans see the rights we are losing.
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MRCOFFEECAKE1 year ago
Nobody thinks the Democratic party is "totally innocent" of anything.. But there goes your very weak defense by pointing
at how your sister didn't do her homework while your hand is still in the candy jar...
THAT is not a defense..It is childish..
You have learned well from this pathetic administration.
The only glitch is that 74% of America is on to the tactic..
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MRCOFFEECAKE1 year ago
I resigned from the Florida Board of Election once I saw how corruptible those Diebold machines were.. That was before I found ot what an ultra-right winger and pro-Bush Diebold himself was..
If these people were so clean and truly American patriots they wouldn't be so defenssive..
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Endoscopy1 year ago
You obviously do not understand the technology involved. They are a computer. These computers have the programming for the election done by locals and under the watchful eye of both parties. They are then tested for accuracy before being secured for the election.
The top echelon of Intel can be very pro either way but that would have no impact on the processors they sell. Microsoft can be the same but that doesn't mean they can rig the computers their software runs on to be biased that way.
Diebold makes machines but not the programming that goes on top of the basic machine.
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Grrr1 year ago
You are wrong. They make the software, too. As far as Diebold is concerned, it was originally (and probably still is) based entirely on poorly secured MSAccess databases that can be easily hacked with no trail by anyone with administrative priviledges on the local controlling PC.
What's more, even a cursory audit by an average programmer will show that they are set up for duplicity, there is an extra set of data actually used for tallying that is not audited for security, i.e: a hack table for faking totals. There is no other use for it or excuse for its existence in the scenario at all. The secured and audited tables that actually tally the real votes aren't used to generate the totals. Huh.
When I set up and audited the version of the software that was leaked to the internet in 2000, as a programmer there was only one conclusion:
Diebold is in the business of rigging elections.
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tanglang1 year ago
How can they be hacked? They are not hooked up to the internet, so you would have to hack each and every machine. Do you know how many people it would take to do this? Unless you are saying that diebold creates machines that will win elections for republicans. Which is equally proposterous. If they were actually doing this, they would have to employ nothing but people without morals who would be willing to keep thier mouths shut. Also, if diebold was to do this, why would they make the elections so close? Why not make it where there is no question who won?
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Grrr1 year ago
Each voting location's voting machine tallies are run to a single local administrative machine, which tallies and passes on the location totals. This is the machine that is vulnerable to manipulation at the precinct level. The machine that in turn tallies the precinct totals for the county is similarly at risk from a local user with admin privs. One person per county "in the know" is all it takes to rig the results convincingly.
It has to occur at the local level, it's not controlled by diebold or an algorithm, but a user that tweaks precinct totals just enough to tilt the result but not be so out of line with polled expectations as to generate a total recount at precinct levels. At that point, someone who is aware of the problem could expose the table discrepancies or come up with a different (accurate) result.
So, not many people need be involved, just one per county, really. And if they rig it too far it is too obvious. That's why!
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Grrr1 year ago
In 2000 it only took about 4-6 counties in one state.
Same in 2004.
So actually, rather than 10,000's of conspirators, it takes about a dozen key players in innocuous positions in a single delegate heavy swing state to pull it off. Plus a media blitz to cast doubt on the now discredited exit polls.
Still think it's insane to think that's possible?
Methinks you drastically underestimate the GOP fascist conspiracy.
But knowledge of this scam won't save us now, not with the California delegate issue currently in the works as a ballot initiative. Folks, that one is the one we have to worry about NOW! Even Arnold's calling that one shifty.
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MRCOFFEECAKE1 year ago
To think that the professions do not know EXACTLY where the vital votes are is naive..But then again, to STILL think that
Bush is a good??????? President makes you a naive person look wordly and knowledgeable , and THAT is mighty hard to do!!
Your comments are getting poorer and with a gretaer sense of frustration and alck of quality..We all see it, but then again, no one will accuse you of being a visionary!
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MRCOFFEECAKE1 year ago
They were pre-set with no ability to check them before the polls opened..I lived the experience. Anything that YOU claim is typical of your "mis-information" defense..
You have nothing to add..So, if nothing else, stop looking so stupid defending what you have NOT seen first hand..OK??
Or do you want to tell me something about my family that I was not aware of either?.Obviously you're an expert on everything.. When you're not, you just make things up to try to sound like an expert..How Republican of you!!
You're defending the fear mongering supporters of the selfish wealthy.. That either requires greed or naivity.
If the shoe fits!!!
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MRCOFFEECAKE1 year ago
Once again, tanglang votes a negative but has NO FACTUAL
COMEBACK..I can see you blushing as you slink away from my facts!
You've done your damage here...You have gotten no one to believe you, but you have wasted our time..
The president would be real proud of your blind loyalty.
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