Politics – An extensive evidence file assembled by the Iraqi National Police after the controversial Blackwater shooting suggests that the private contractors opened fire unprovoked from the ground and the sky.
My first reaction to such articles used to always be, "let's just wait till the investigation is complete." Sadly, now all I am expecting is a large serving of whitewash. Every time Bush investigates Bush, he finds no wrongdoing whatsoever.
"Every time Bush investigates Bush, he finds no wrongdoing whatsoever.z"
I read the article, and it said nothing of Bush. Obviously, you have your liberal blinders on yet again (no surprise there).
If any politician is involved, it most likely would be Dem. Sen. Dianne Feinstein and her crooked hubby - or did you conveniently forget it was her and her hubby caught rigging military contracts for personal profit and not Bush?
Sorry senators do not I repead and shout DO NOT make military contracts.
Military contracts are made and executed by the Department of Defense which if you need a government lesson is part of the Executive (administration) not the legistlative (congress) branch of government.
The politicians in charge of military contracts go up the line ending at the top with the Secretary of Defense and the President/Vice President all of whom I am sure unlike your jaded view would not do anything to help Feinstein or and other democratic congress person.
Why would we find Dems even involved in the no-bid contracts of Blackwater?
We ALL know about the contributions of Eric Prince to the Reproblican party. His sister was even the bigwig Reproblican in Michigan. Even a worse third-degree association, his sister is married to the president of Amway.
libsRfunny like booksRfunny... especially when you can't even read. Duhhh*Hick*!
Armchair quarterbacks complaining. Everybody glossed over the fact that there were bullet holes in a Blackwater car. These people obviously don't have the training of our soldiers but the people labeling "evil", "genocide", etc. are not thinking. Unless you have received the training that our soldiers have then when in fear of your life there is a tendency to shoot first and ask questions later when fired upon. All it took was one person firing a few rounds at them to start this mess.
What would you people do if you had a gun and someone started shooting at you.
Did you even bother to read the article?
-"What would you people do if you had a gun and someone started shooting at you"-
Nowhere in the report is there any evidence that anyone instigated this by starting a shooting with the Blackwater contingent. Quite the contrary.
You are deliberately attempting to falsify information to support the murder of innocent civilians.
So you skipped over this part?
"Still images provided to the network show a Blackwater vehicle pocked with five bullet marks."
My guess is that in a shootout...cars get holes in them.
Particularly when coming from helicopters.
"Did you even bother to read the article?"
Obviously you didn't.
"Nowhere in the report is there any evidence that anyone instigated this by starting a shooting with the Blackwater contingent. Quite the contrary."
I provide proof from the article but this is your response?
So who is "deliberately attempting to falsify information"?
So bullet holes prove that someone ELSE started this battle?
How about the several other cars that were riddled with bullet holes and burned as a result of the attack?
Is that proof that Blackwater started it?
During gunfights bullet holes happen.
Or are you implying that because the car was hit with bullets, regardless of how the fight was instigated, the Iraqis shouldnt shoot back?
I have never participated in nor lived through a civil war, but my guess is that I would carry a weapon and shoot back at the people who were shooting at me.
Your 'proof' is speculative at best.
I didn't say it was absolute proof. I just countered your argument
"Nowhere in the report is there any evidence that anyone instigated this by starting a shooting with the Blackwater contingent. Quite the contrary."
They produced a vehicle with five bullet mark on it that mean nothing because there is ZERO proof it is the original vehicle from the massacre. They should hall in Blackwaters top executives and hold them on murder charges until they get full cooperation and the people responsible, then a public trial and what ever the local court hand down for sentence.
Not onlyis it speculative but there is nothing in the article that says Blackwater in the process of shooting anything that was moving was firing all over the place couldn't have made those holes. THOSE holes could have been the result of Blackwater firing. But of course the right wing stops short of logically looking at things especially when it doesn't support their fantasies of reality. Kinda like the Limpaw thing. Dont believe what you hear on the radio believe this several days later.
"Unless you have received the training that our soldiers have then when in fear of your life there is a tendency to shoot first and ask questions later when fired upon."
That would be a valid argument except for the fact most are ex military and have had the very training you spoke of, many of the elite special forces are among Blackwater personal.
Yes most of them are ex-military, many having left the military because they could make more money serving as mercenaries for Blackwater. This is why privatizing the war is such a problem. We pay extra just so Blackwater can make 100s of millions of dollars performing tasks that should be for the army.
Blackwater is nothing but a bunch of 'trigger-happy' idiots playing 'cowboys & indians'. Blackwater ought to be put on trial in the Hague by the World Court.
One must ask: what in the world did the Iraqi citizens do to America to deserve such vicious & criminal attacks? Oh, I forgot, WMD's & terrorism!?
Endo,
Blackwater's people DO have the training of soldiers. They are mercenaries.
Most of them are former marines.
Not true, most are special ops people.
And if I wanted to hire someone to protect my butt in Iraq. I'd hire these guys.
Regardless, it's not fair to defend them by claiming they have insufficient training.
Who did that?
"These people obviously don't have the training of our soldiers ..." - Endoscopy
They also don't have accountability by law. An NPR story within the hour states that some of those mercenaries may face criminal charges.
How? They are not accountable to Iraq or US military law! As I stated above, read N. Wolf's "The End of America." It spells out plainly where all this is leading.
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This entire corporation of monstrous thugs needs to be disarmed and disbanded, and a great many of them arrested, tried and convicted. What an absolutely evil creation.
then who will protect the contractors in Iraq?
You and all the rest of you war-mongers. You want the war. Send yourselves and your families over there. Time to walk the talk.
We shouldn't have been there to begin with. have 180,000 contractors there in no bid patronage contracts. This is what this debacle is all about. Wake up!! If you want the troops protected you and your kind should be there. Put your money where your mouth is!! Put the draft on the warmonging, Bush supporters
I have advocated this since they started talking about the draft. All that voted for Bush will be put in the draft. No one else, no Libs, No Libertarians, No green party, no commies, no socialists. Just Neocons. You go fight for your heroes war of aggression.
Why not look who voted for war from the body who authroizes it?
Right, because one has to admit that it is a bipartisan effort when we tally Congressional votes.
If we want to be in so many hostile places then the answer is not no-bid contracts.
The proper answer is to take all those funds being spend on Blackwater and others of their ilk and put that into Military Pay budgets.
You want war then pay for it by providing enough pay to entice the needed people to volunteer for the military.
What is entirely inappropriate is sending in our soliders ill equiped, without proper rest between multiple tours, and among the worst paid government employees while we pay contractors higher than most civilian jobs to do what should be done by the military.
How many more would volunteer with better pay, better, equipment, proper rest, and proper care if they come home injured?
Just think about that. The republicons do not support our troops, but they do support a government funded private army. Hmmm.
Read Naomi Wolf's "The End of America." There's an illuminating section on private armies, and their place in the classic 'fascist shift.'
--who will protect the contractors in Iraq?
Reinstate the draft. But in the first lottery we must put all the congress's, and the President's children in first.
"then who will protect the contractors in Iraq?"
Who cares, not me, they don't belong there in the first place.
It seems you're spouting the GOP line Anyone But Me. But then again Petraeus just got done saying howmuch better it is and you;re saying they still need protection?
We could get more honest, cost-effective, and HONORABLE security from Chinese or Russian firms.