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Posted By Aidenag 11 months, 3 weeks ago in NewsThe Bush Administration is considering air strikes, including cruise missiles, against the Kurdish rebel group PKK in northern Iraq. The move would be an attempt to stave off a Turkish invasion of that country to fight the rebels.
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GrainOfSand11 months, 3 weeks ago
Bush should have been named Bomber Bush. Is that all he thinks about? Attacking other countries, bombing and killing folks? Is this man the antichrist or something? He always wants to fight, start wars and do harm to others in the name of fear, propaganda and making his "base" rich.
Well those rich folks (and Bush/Cheney) can't take all that dough with them where they are going......it's awful hot there.
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Donnaich11 months, 3 weeks ago
Reminds me of a cartoon I saw once as a kid... one of the old "hellfire and brimstone" preachers is saying to the congregation "Let's all dig deep whenever the collection plate comes along! After all... MONEY BURNS!"
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white-pawn11 months, 3 weeks ago
The Canadians have as much oil in the Alberta Tar Sands as is Saudi Arabia, but it is difficult to remove the oil from the sand. Meanwhile, new oil discoveries off the coast of Newfoundland and Labrador, and the opening-up of the Arctic (thanks to global warming) is providing Canada with little reason to import from the Kurdish people. It just doesn't make sense.
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nccneon11 months, 3 weeks ago
GrainofSand wrote: "Is this man the antichrist or something?"
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No. The AntiChrist is supposed to be charismatic, intelligent, and have universal appeal. None of that describes Bush. Bush is just a willing token in an evil plot designed by others.
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Aidenag11 months, 3 weeks ago
I love how Mr "Im the decider" doesnt just tell Turkey that if they attack Iraq, we cut them off from everything we possibly can. Half of their exports go to the US. that alone would be a good enough bargaining chip to stop the invasion, and possibly let us keep our military base. If not, we find more non violent solutions..
Anything but offering to bomb someone just so somebody else doesnt.. Only bush could come up with something as stupid as this. He really is living in his own reality if he thinks bombing the only success story in Iraq and making it as unstable as the rest of the country is a smart move.
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wasntme11 months, 3 weeks ago
yes but there is no glory in such a thing. Bush likes glory and those boring diplomatic manuvering has no glory or perception of a glory...I would say that Bush first has to cut off aid to PKK. Turkish PM said that US is in cahoot with PKK.
We know that US is helping (money, arms, training)PKK's Iranian cousins PEJAK.(another group whose name is next to AlQaeda on the list of terrorist organizations) Iran was pounding PEJAK's positions deep inside Iraq for days and Bush pretended as if nothing was happening. But this time he can not ignore it. Turkey also has a little historical issue over the Kirkuk area in Iraqi Kurdistan which has plenty of oil.(Or as they say in Texas :It is an oil country.) http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=...
They may use the PKK threat as an excuse to capture that city. After all OIL talks just ask Bush and Mr.Cheney.
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blinkers11 months, 3 weeks ago
Indeed Aidenag, since the Neo-Cons effectively hijacked US foreign policy, with this ignorant and misguided president at the top, the whole PNAC-guided approach to any problem seems to be "attack first, think later (if at all)".
This woeful administration and anyone still supporting it, is indeed living in a separate reality.
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GrainOfSand11 months, 3 weeks ago
Exactly, Aidenag! Why not try reasoning with people, talking to them. COMMUNICATION IS KEY HERE! Peace is always the answer. Not what Bush has done these years in Iraq! He's a pathetic little man who has basically destroyed two countries. His own and Iraq. He's also managed to make our enemies stronger and us weaker. He touts just the opposite. He's lying to the country and to himself. Then there's Shotgun Dick in the background. I can see him now rattling his sabres at Iran, chomping at the bit to attack and bomb the crap out of that country over fear of nuclear weapons. We can't be the world's policeman anymore. We need to take care of our own and stop wasting all our resources on death and destruction.
I want some peace and prosperity now. I'm ready!
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Will131311 months, 3 weeks ago
We need to take care of our own and stop wasting all our resources on death and destruction.
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building a school or giving health car to an Iraqi is good....
doing that in America would simply be SOCIALISTIC...
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sinophil4911 months, 3 weeks ago
Grainofsand - "He's a pathetic little man who has basically destroyed two countries. His own and Iraq."
Make that 3 countries - you forgot Afghanistan.
I completely with your points. There are NO easy solutions.
Turkey is our ally. The Kurds in Iraq are the only major faction that has completely backed the US. We must try to restrain both sides and not alienate either. If Bush were to bomb the Kurds, it could easily turn them against us. Then we would be fighting, let's see -
Shiites, Sunnis, al Qaida insurgents, AND the Kurds.
Not a pretty picture.
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agentX11 months, 3 weeks ago
This crap with the PKK should've been dealt with at least 30 years ago.
Turkey's not exactly an innocent here either.
At best, all we can do is protect our own interest by double-teaming with the Turks against the PKK.
However, the PKK isn't going to go away overnight or just because we make things uncomfortable in Kurdish Iraq.
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jordan1111 months, 3 weeks ago
Turkey's not exactly an innocent here either.>>>>
From what I've read, they aren't "innocent" at all. I wonder how many years of oppression, murder, atrocities it would take any group to turn militant? Not that I condone tit for tat, but this is far more complex than the PKK being just a lot of crazies.
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not2needy11 months, 3 weeks ago
Bush started his reign of terror while gov of Tx. being the gov with more death penalties than any other, and he continues his blood bath today.
He must think he's a lean, mean, killing machine. What he is IS EVIL! All he thinks about is bombing, killing and how to bilk more money out of the US.
While people here in the US are being burned out of their homes, or being washed away, he sits and ponders new ways to kill yet more people.
I pray he answers for his devilment!
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jordan1111 months, 3 weeks ago
Learning about the problems between the different factions of the ME is very difficult. Why do the Kurds hate Turkey? Why does Turkey hate the Kurds? Why do they attack one another? Who do I believe? What do I believe?
So far, I've found that the Kurdish people have been oppressed by the Turks. Those living in Turkey (6 million, I read) have no rights. Then there's this:
http://www.hyperhistory.net/apwh/essays/comp/cw...
And this next link is very graphic. Don't go there if it's hard to see the pictures of genocide.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veaSHjF-fLM
So the Kurds have been persecuted by Turkey, Iran, Iraq. Only because of Clinton's protection, have they been able to form a semblance of a place in the world. Turkey continues to oppress Kurds in Turkey. And bush is going to side with them. Can anyone give me another side to this story?
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wasntme11 months, 3 weeks ago
Kurds in Turkey do have rights. These groups are separatist groups. PKK in Turkey and PEJAK is their Iranian cousins. These separatist groups do NOT represent the Kurdish population. This means in order to survive they have to do the following. Get whatever they can get from those among Kurds who support them, smuggle any type of contrabands, human smuggling, drugs, harass the local population for GOODS and MONEY, and protection, extorsion, highway robbery,(Mafia?), from time to time they change horses. Shah of Iran used them against Saddam till Saddam signed a treaty with Shah, then Shah ditched them,Iran armed the local land lords against them till they fled to the mountains, and recently US was and is using the PEJAK against Iran. When Iran shelled PEJAK's positions deep inside Iraq for days, Bush did nothing. From my experience when I was in Turkey, many of the Turkish Kurds whom I met were VERY sympathetic toward Iran. They treated me like a king.
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blinkers11 months, 3 weeks ago
Interesting insight again, wasntme. Iranian Kurdistan was a very tough place in the 1970s, and the Kurdish areas of Turkey were clearly neglected. I'm not sure how Iranian Kurds fared after the Iranian revolution.
History has been very unkind to the Kurdish people, as a whole. Spread across at least five countries, they've hankered after an independent nation of their own for centuries. But it's never going to happen.
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wasntme11 months, 3 weeks ago
I believe that main stream Kurds have realized that Kurdistan as a separate country will never be materialized. After all they have to deal with three countries Iran,Syria and Turkey.And Kurdistan is a land locked place.
On top of all that not all Kurds want to have a separate country.One of the most popular Turkish singer is Ibrahim Tatlisis,who is a Kurd.One of the two most famous Iranian traditional music singer is Shahram Nazeri who is a Kurd and I wonder how many Iranians really know or care that heis a Kurd.These people are well blend in.Term Ethnic minority in that part of the world does not have the same connotation as it does here.I am an Iranian Azeri(Turksih speaking,to me Iran means Iran, Kurds, Baluch, Arabs,Lors, Fars,Persi... refer to themselves as Iranian and not Kurdish Iranian or what have you.It gets very awkward when you put your ethnic background ahead of being an Iranian.Azeris and Kurds are most famous for their patriotism. History proves that.
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wasntme11 months, 3 weeks ago
Outside world has a wrong perception of the ethnic minorities in Iran ( somewhere I know about a little bit)When Saddam invaded Iran he was under the impression that Iranian Arabs who border with Iraq would join him as soon as his army crossed the border. It turned out that Iranian Arabs were the first ones who stopped his army from advancing by some TRUELY heroic actions. In city of Khorramshahr two hundered and some Iranian Arab men and women were able to hold back Saddam's army for days till they ALL were killed. In the province of Khoosistan of Iran which borders with Iraq, out of 16,000 who were killed fighting Saddam, 12,000 were Iranian Arabs. Iran's head of Judiciary, a powerful figure is an Iraqi, Iraq's top leader ayatollah Sistani, the powerhouse , is an Iranian (he can not even vote in Iraq), Last Iranian defense minister was an Arab, Iran's supreme leader's top military adviser is an Iraqi. are you getting dizzy? :) and so it goes...
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ziggalicious11 months, 3 weeks ago
Hey Otto!
Why did Cyprus get the works? It's nobody's business but the Turks!!
The 'decider' has made another decision based on, based on, , , ?
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lfergie81211 months, 3 weeks ago
That's the way they settled arguments in the old west but in those days everyone fought their own battles.
Bush would just put more troops in harms way because the Kurds would then join the insurgents in their fight against our troops in Iraq.
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Grrr11 months, 3 weeks ago
Anybody here remember when we supported the Kurds in Iraq?
And then left them standing alone on a battlefield to get mowed down, causing them to still hate us today?
Oh, those were the days...good times...good times...
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Charlson11 months, 3 weeks ago
The Kurdish government in northern Iraq should step up and do something about the PPK. It would be in their best interests to do so. They will end up bearing the blunt of any invasion or excursion by the Turkish military. And Bush should keep his bombs out of this mess. He has a bigger mess on his table to clean up first.
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lfergie81211 months, 3 weeks ago
They are saying that the Kurds are terrorizing Turkey. How do we know it isn't Al Qaeda using a "black flag"?
"Australian troops fighting in Iraq were told in an official briefing days before entering the country that Saddam Hussein did not have the capability to launch weapons of mass destruction against its neighbours."
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/02/06/10...
Why were everyone else told that Iraq had WMD?
Now we're being told that Iraq is building the a-bomb by the same people.
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