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  GrainOfSand10 months ago

  Bush should have been named Bomber Bush. Is that all he thinks about? Attacking other countries, bombing and killing folks? Is this man the antichrist or something? He always wants to fight, start wars and do harm to others in the name of fear, propaganda and making his "base" rich.

  Well those rich folks (and Bush/Cheney) can't take all that dough with them where they are going......it's awful hot there.

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    Donnaich10 months ago

    Reminds me of a cartoon I saw once as a kid... one of the old "hellfire and brimstone" preachers is saying to the congregation "Let's all dig deep whenever the collection plate comes along! After all... MONEY BURNS!"

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    PsychoHosebeast10 months ago

    He only wants to do this when he's personally at a safe distance however... not like he was in a rush to go to Vietnam...

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      lvrofwolves10 months ago

      Next time he offers to attack anyone, he should do it on his own personal behalf and quit making it on Americas behalf.

      He can pay for it, do the fighting, suffering and dying himself too.

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        bruhaha10 months ago

        As long as we don't have to see him in a flight suit again, I'm fine with that

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          Neophile10 months ago

          How about a bright orange jumpsuit?

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            BoxMonkey10 months ago

            So , what is the PKK's stand ? And won't Russia be a little miffed about all this ? Didn't the Kurds already suffer enough under Saddam ? They should get thier own peice of land to call all thier own .

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              blowback10 months ago

              Exactly.

              The Kurds are supposed to be the poster boys

              of the ideal Iraq.

              So now we bomb the Kurds to keep the Turks at bay.

              The Turks then move into Iraq and we bomb the Turks

              to get them out of the way.

              The Turks shut down our access to Iraq, etc, etc.

              Something about all of this looks like what can be

              described as going from bad to worse and worse again.

              There is no light at the end of this tunnel.

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            bruhaha10 months ago

            That or a black and white striped one

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          lvrofwolves10 months ago

          I don't care if he goes naked, as long as he does it. If he comes back alive, then he can get the orange or B W jumpsuit.

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        MRCOFFEECAKE10 months ago

        We have all of those extra bombs that the taxpayers paid for during the assault on Bagdhad. You don't want them to go to waste, do you?

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          lvrofwolves10 months ago

          let Bush and Cheney and the rest of those goons pay for them/reimberse us for them with their pension/retirement checks. They've been living high on the hog, they can live like most other retirees have to. If I had my way, they wouldn't get a single penny more, no job obligations fullfilled, no pay. Let them have all the bombs (after they've been disarmed of course) they can make bird feeders or something out of them.

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    earthlingerer10 months ago

    That will teach all of them Kurds to sell their oil to... to... CANADIANS!!!

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      Will131310 months ago

      for euros... no less

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        Neophile10 months ago

        Even the Canadian dollar (aka the Loonie) would be favorable to the U.S. dollar nowadays.

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          white-pawn10 months ago

          Don't worry about the Canadian dollar. Now that the "Loonie" has reached parity and beyond, the next step is to bring both the US and Canadian dollar down to the level of the Peso so that they can introduce the "Amero".

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            Neophile10 months ago

            And you say I *shouldn't* worry about the Canadian dollar?

            Yikes.

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      white-pawn10 months ago

      The Canadians have as much oil in the Alberta Tar Sands as is Saudi Arabia, but it is difficult to remove the oil from the sand. Meanwhile, new oil discoveries off the coast of Newfoundland and Labrador, and the opening-up of the Arctic (thanks to global warming) is providing Canada with little reason to import from the Kurdish people. It just doesn't make sense.

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    nccneon10 months ago

    GrainofSand wrote: "Is this man the antichrist or something?"

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    No. The AntiChrist is supposed to be charismatic, intelligent, and have universal appeal. None of that describes Bush. Bush is just a willing token in an evil plot designed by others.

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  berkeley10 months ago

  brilliant.

  from now on, any country/group that wants to attack any other country/group can simply ask george to do it for them. he'll be glad to do it.

  think how much money they'll save, and all with zero risk.

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    Aidenag10 months ago

    I love how Mr "Im the decider" doesnt just tell Turkey that if they attack Iraq, we cut them off from everything we possibly can. Half of their exports go to the US. that alone would be a good enough bargaining chip to stop the invasion, and possibly let us keep our military base. If not, we find more non violent solutions..

    Anything but offering to bomb someone just so somebody else doesnt.. Only bush could come up with something as stupid as this. He really is living in his own reality if he thinks bombing the only success story in Iraq and making it as unstable as the rest of the country is a smart move.

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      wasntme10 months ago

      yes but there is no glory in such a thing. Bush likes glory and those boring diplomatic manuvering has no glory or perception of a glory...I would say that Bush first has to cut off aid to PKK. Turkish PM said that US is in cahoot with PKK.

      We know that US is helping (money, arms, training)PKK's Iranian cousins PEJAK.(another group whose name is next to AlQaeda on the list of terrorist organizations) Iran was pounding PEJAK's positions deep inside Iraq for days and Bush pretended as if nothing was happening. But this time he can not ignore it. Turkey also has a little historical issue over the Kirkuk area in Iraqi Kurdistan which has plenty of oil.(Or as they say in Texas :It is an oil country.) http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=...

      They may use the PKK threat as an excuse to capture that city. After all OIL talks just ask Bush and Mr.Cheney.

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      blinkers10 months ago

      Indeed Aidenag, since the Neo-Cons effectively hijacked US foreign policy, with this ignorant and misguided president at the top, the whole PNAC-guided approach to any problem seems to be "attack first, think later (if at all)".

      This woeful administration and anyone still supporting it, is indeed living in a separate reality.

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      blowback10 months ago

      Turkey is our Higway #1 into Iraq.

      Sanctions on Turkey would be the

      proverbial cutting our nose to

      spite our face.

      All just another good reason to

      get out now.

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  crespi10 months ago

  What? There's no ARMENIANS America can mass-kill?

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    Neophile10 months ago

    Now don't go giving them any ideas.

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  PsychoHosebeast10 months ago

  What a guy.

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    blinkers10 months ago

    Three words which say a lot more than three words, PH.

    "What a guy" indeed.

    And the most powerful individual in the world, we are told.

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      Neophile10 months ago

      Yeah but we know his weakness... pretzels.

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        Donnaich10 months ago

        Anyone want to take up a pretzel collection?

        I can see it now... " 'Snyders of Hanover' raided by DHS and Secret Service"...

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  GrainOfSand10 months ago

  Exactly, Aidenag! Why not try reasoning with people, talking to them. COMMUNICATION IS KEY HERE! Peace is always the answer. Not what Bush has done these years in Iraq! He's a pathetic little man who has basically destroyed two countries. His own and Iraq. He's also managed to make our enemies stronger and us weaker. He touts just the opposite. He's lying to the country and to himself. Then there's Shotgun Dick in the background. I can see him now rattling his sabres at Iran, chomping at the bit to attack and bomb the crap out of that country over fear of nuclear weapons. We can't be the world's policeman anymore. We need to take care of our own and stop wasting all our resources on death and destruction.

  I want some peace and prosperity now. I'm ready!

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    Will131310 months ago

    We need to take care of our own and stop wasting all our resources on death and destruction.

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    building a school or giving health car to an Iraqi is good....

    doing that in America would simply be SOCIALISTIC...

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    sinophil4910 months ago

    Grainofsand - "He's a pathetic little man who has basically destroyed two countries. His own and Iraq."

    Make that 3 countries - you forgot Afghanistan.

    I completely with your points. There are NO easy solutions.

    Turkey is our ally. The Kurds in Iraq are the only major faction that has completely backed the US. We must try to restrain both sides and not alienate either. If Bush were to bomb the Kurds, it could easily turn them against us. Then we would be fighting, let's see -

    Shiites, Sunnis, al Qaida insurgents, AND the Kurds.

    Not a pretty picture.

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  agentX10 months ago

  This crap with the PKK should've been dealt with at least 30 years ago.

  Turkey's not exactly an innocent here either.

  At best, all we can do is protect our own interest by double-teaming with the Turks against the PKK.

  However, the PKK isn't going to go away overnight or just because we make things uncomfortable in Kurdish Iraq.

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    jordan1110 months ago

    Turkey's not exactly an innocent here either.>>>>

    From what I've read, they aren't "innocent" at all. I wonder how many years of oppression, murder, atrocities it would take any group to turn militant? Not that I condone tit for tat, but this is far more complex than the PKK being just a lot of crazies.

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  not2needy10 months ago

  Bush started his reign of terror while gov of Tx. being the gov with more death penalties than any other, and he continues his blood bath today.

  He must think he's a lean, mean, killing machine. What he is IS EVIL! All he thinks about is bombing, killing and how to bilk more money out of the US.

  While people here in the US are being burned out of their homes, or being washed away, he sits and ponders new ways to kill yet more people.

  I pray he answers for his devilment!

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  jordan1110 months ago

  Learning about the problems between the different factions of the ME is very difficult. Why do the Kurds hate Turkey? Why does Turkey hate the Kurds? Why do they attack one another? Who do I believe? What do I believe?

  So far, I've found that the Kurdish people have been oppressed by the Turks. Those living in Turkey (6 million, I read) have no rights. Then there's this:

  http://www.hyperhistory.net/apwh/essays/comp/cw...

  And this next link is very graphic. Don't go there if it's hard to see the pictures of genocide.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veaSHjF-fLM

  So the Kurds have been persecuted by Turkey, Iran, Iraq. Only because of Clinton's protection, have they been able to form a semblance of a place in the world. Turkey continues to oppress Kurds in Turkey. And bush is going to side with them. Can anyone give me another side to this story?

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    wasntme10 months ago

    Kurds in Turkey do have rights. These groups are separatist groups. PKK in Turkey and PEJAK is their Iranian cousins. These separatist groups do NOT represent the Kurdish population. This means in order to survive they have to do the following. Get whatever they can get from those among Kurds who support them, smuggle any type of contrabands, human smuggling, drugs, harass the local population for GOODS and MONEY, and protection, extorsion, highway robbery,(Mafia?), from time to time they change horses. Shah of Iran used them against Saddam till Saddam signed a treaty with Shah, then Shah ditched them,Iran armed the local land lords against them till they fled to the mountains, and recently US was and is using the PEJAK against Iran. When Iran shelled PEJAK's positions deep inside Iraq for days, Bush did nothing. From my experience when I was in Turkey, many of the Turkish Kurds whom I met were VERY sympathetic toward Iran. They treated me like a king.

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      blinkers10 months ago

      Interesting insight again, wasntme. Iranian Kurdistan was a very tough place in the 1970s, and the Kurdish areas of Turkey were clearly neglected. I'm not sure how Iranian Kurds fared after the Iranian revolution.

      History has been very unkind to the Kurdish people, as a whole. Spread across at least five countries, they've hankered after an independent nation of their own for centuries. But it's never going to happen.

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        wasntme10 months ago

        After the revolution Iranian Kurds witnessed one of the most bitter period of their life in Iran. Kurdish separatists mostly at the time Maoists, Stalinists and other leftist groups (whose members were not even Kurds)started a separation war. It turned out to be a bloody war with some nasty things happening to both sides. At the end Kurdish population's mainstream turned against those separatists and helped the government ACTIVELY. During the war with Saddam, they put up a good fight against his army,after the war was over governments of Rafsanjani and Khatami for 16 years did improve the conditions there but they fell way short of what they could have accomplished. Kurdistan to some extent was neglected even though Khatami's spokeperson was a Kurd. One main reason Ahmadinejad was elected was the votes of these neglected and forgotten around the country. Ahmadinejad's workoholic government has done a lot for these forgotten and neglected. That is where his strength is.

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          blinkers10 months ago

          Don't talk too loudly about Ahmadinejad's government doing anything good, wasntme! Following Mullah Omar and Saddam Hussein, he is next for "the fall" (according to some of the crazed Neo-Cons in Washington).

          You bring excellent information onto the thread; Kurdistan under the Shah was about the most backward part of the country (as was the Kurdish part of Turkey, in that country). I did not realise their lot had improved that much under the current Tehran regime.

          How about the borderlands between Iraq and Iranian Kurdistan? I would imagine they are fairly porous, as with Turkey and Iraqi Kurdistan.

          The living conditions of a people without a homeland will always be determined by the particular country(ies) in which they live while their relative "value", geopolitically, will rise and fall according to the ebb and flow of international events -- this has been true of the Kurds for generations.

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            wasntme10 months ago

            I agree with you about the Kurdistan under Shah. It was the most neglected part of Iran next to Sistan and Bauchistan in South East of Iran. The border is very porous still and that is why these separatist groups manage to live on. The only ones who help secure the borders are the locals. One of the things that Ahmadinejad does is once a month he takes his entire cabinet for few days to a province depending on the schedule. Instead of holding the cabinet meeting in Tehran and making decisions for different parts of the country based on some reports they actually go to these provinces and meet people and hang out with the locals and local official and listen to people and local officials. They make decisions and plans and allocate budget. (It is a process )

            Next time when Ahmadinejad goes to that province again, he checks out the progress on the plans and decisions that were made last time. If not satisfactory, for sure he will fire some officials or even his cabinet ministers.

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            wasntme10 months ago

            This has helped many of these provinces and of course has been criticized by Ahmadinejad's opponents. !!But he does care for these people and people see that.Even my brother who did not vote for Ahmadinejad and was vehemently against him , was admiring some of these things that he does. Ahmadinejad also has decentralized the budget and planning. Instead of one main body making the planning for an entire country (in which most of the budget was some how ending up being allocated for Tehran :) )planning is done on a local basis and they decide their own priorities. Ahmadinejad also does a good PR campaign. When he goes to these provinces most of the times he dresses in local attire.(Something that was and is extremely rare among Iranian politicians).

            I like his management style. Accountability is high on his agenda something that was VERY absent in previous governments..

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              blinkers10 months ago

              Thanks, wasntme. I travelled all over Iran, prior to the revolution, having first visited in 1974. Kermanshah (doubtless it's been renamed since then) looked the poorest big city in the country, at that time. I remember Zahedan, down near the Pakistan border, looked a tad more prosperous, though foreigners attracted too much attention for it to be comfortable on the streets. Khorramshar was a beautiful, largely Arab city down on the Gulf -- it was wrecked in the Iran-Iraq war.

              I saw the Armenian quarter in Isfahan, and the staunchly Shi'ite centers of Qom and Mashad, together with the magnificent deserts of Central and Southern Iran. Had Jewish friends in Tehran and also visited the Baha'i temple in that city (probably destroyed long ago).

              Skied in the Alborg mountains, climbed Damavand, and saw rice growing up by the Caspian Sea.

              Fabulous country, and one badly treated and misunderstood by the West, throughout its history.

              (Off topic & rambling, but you set me thinking).

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                wasntme10 months ago

                you have visited and seen more of Iran than I have. :) Kermanshah was renamed but then again returned back to its original name. I am afraid Zahedan has not faired well. The river near Zahedan and Afghanistan, has pretty much dried up and agriculture has been hurt there. Isfahan has prospered a lot. Armenians have been doing great. No religious minority in

                Iran has ever contributed to Iran as much as Armenians have. They also participate in Religious rituals and commemorations. (I am talking about Islamic rituals).Khorramshahr was destoryed but slowly been buile. Send me your email and I will send you some pics of Khorramshahr during and after the war. Bahaees are in the closet but Jews , especially the orthodox and conservative Jews love it. You will see plenty of Jews in Shiraz and Isfahan wearing their special hat (I dont know its name) Jews and Armenians did participate in the war and in the revolution. Plenty of their martyrs especially Armenians.

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                wasntme10 months ago

                Khorramshahr was one of the saddest memories of the war. When Saddam invaded Khorramshahr its occupants mostly had gone but some 200 and some were left to defend it. Men and women. They were able to hold Saddam's army back for days but at the end they all died fighting, men and women. Mostly young men and women in early twenties. Saddam had said if Iran ever recaptures Khorramshahr back I will hand them the key to Baghdad as well. Iran did recapture it and took 13,000 POWs and about 18,000 were killed and the rest fled. You won't probably recognize Tehran or many cities in Iran now. Completely changed. I did swim in Caspian sea.(if you can't swim and spit at the same time do not swim there :) too salty, I learned it the hard way, it is slightly better than Slat Lake in Utah) You are right many people in the West think Iran is desert. It has been developed a lot but more development is needed. If I were you I would make another trip again.

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                wasntme10 months ago

                Blinker,

                This link has the pictures of Khorramshahr during the war and the next one after the war. The post-war link starts with pictures of Abadan and then it is khorramshahr. Enjoy them.

                Khorramshar at war time...

                http://www.aftabnews.ir/vglba5b0.rhb85.qqouredh...

                and Khorrasmshar now...

                http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=...

                and this is the one you probably will like th emost ..see if you remember any of these cities. a complete picture of Iran's provinces...

                http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=...

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    wasntme10 months ago

    I believe that main stream Kurds have realized that Kurdistan as a separate country will never be materialized. After all they have to deal with three countries Iran,Syria and Turkey.And Kurdistan is a land locked place.

    On top of all that not all Kurds want to have a separate country.One of the most popular Turkish singer is Ibrahim Tatlisis,who is a Kurd.One of the two most famous Iranian traditional music singer is Shahram Nazeri who is a Kurd and I wonder how many Iranians really know or care that heis a Kurd.These people are well blend in.Term Ethnic minority in that part of the world does not have the same connotation as it does here.I am an Iranian Azeri(Turksih speaking,to me Iran means Iran, Kurds, Baluch, Arabs,Lors, Fars,Persi... refer to themselves as Iranian and not Kurdish Iranian or what have you.It gets very awkward when you put your ethnic background ahead of being an Iranian.Azeris and Kurds are most famous for their patriotism. History proves that.

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    wasntme10 months ago

    Outside world has a wrong perception of the ethnic minorities in Iran ( somewhere I know about a little bit)When Saddam invaded Iran he was under the impression that Iranian Arabs who border with Iraq would join him as soon as his army crossed the border. It turned out that Iranian Arabs were the first ones who stopped his army from advancing by some TRUELY heroic actions. In city of Khorramshahr two hundered and some Iranian Arab men and women were able to hold back Saddam's army for days till they ALL were killed. In the province of Khoosistan of Iran which borders with Iraq, out of 16,000 who were killed fighting Saddam, 12,000 were Iranian Arabs. Iran's head of Judiciary, a powerful figure is an Iraqi, Iraq's top leader ayatollah Sistani, the powerhouse , is an Iranian (he can not even vote in Iraq), Last Iranian defense minister was an Arab, Iran's supreme leader's top military adviser is an Iraqi. are you getting dizzy? :) and so it goes...

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  ziggalicious10 months ago

  Hey Otto!

  Why did Cyprus get the works? It's nobody's business but the Turks!!

  The 'decider' has made another decision based on, based on, , , ?

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  mcgrievysr10 months ago

  Bush once again has shown that his diplomacy and his negotiation skills are second to none. What a great statesman! When in doubt, whip the bombs out. Does the man have a brain?

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    lfergie81210 months ago

    That's the way they settled arguments in the old west but in those days everyone fought their own battles.

    Bush would just put more troops in harms way because the Kurds would then join the insurgents in their fight against our troops in Iraq.

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    not2needy10 months ago

    mc, i think he needs a trip to Oz!

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      lfergie81210 months ago

      N2N

      I believe he thinks he is in Oz.

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        Radiofreeeuropa10 months ago

        He sure ain't the wiz.

        He doesn't even entertain the idea of being brave, intelligent, or having a heart. So that eliminates the tin man, cowardly lion, and the scarercrow. I guess Cheney's the wicked witch of the west and Bush is one of those flying chimps.

        Either that or a horse's A$$ of a different color!

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          blinkers10 months ago

          Wish they'd all follow a yellow brick road -- right out of town!!

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  Grrr10 months ago

  Anybody here remember when we supported the Kurds in Iraq?

  And then left them standing alone on a battlefield to get mowed down, causing them to still hate us today?

  Oh, those were the days...good times...good times...

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  Charlson10 months ago

  The Kurdish government in northern Iraq should step up and do something about the PPK. It would be in their best interests to do so. They will end up bearing the blunt of any invasion or excursion by the Turkish military. And Bush should keep his bombs out of this mess. He has a bigger mess on his table to clean up first.

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  Spadecaller10 months ago

  That's what ya call "strategeriz'n"!

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    not2needy10 months ago

    Now he's the strategizer! What a man!

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  lfergie81210 months ago

  They are saying that the Kurds are terrorizing Turkey. How do we know it isn't Al Qaeda using a "black flag"?

  "Australian troops fighting in Iraq were told in an official briefing days before entering the country that Saddam Hussein did not have the capability to launch weapons of mass destruction against its neighbours."

  http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/02/06/10...

  Why were everyone else told that Iraq had WMD?

  Now we're being told that Iraq is building the a-bomb by the same people.

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    Natureboy10 months ago

    Another case of blowback. Der Bush was more than happy with the PKK when they were destabilizing Iran...

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  pismo10 months ago

  What a big stinking mess.......

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