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Anti-war demonstrators marched in a dozen U.S. cities on Saturday to call for an immediate end to the war in Iraq and a cut-off of funding by Congress.
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bobo-in-texas9 months, 4 weeks ago
A better and more accurate headline would read "Small groups engage in public political masturbation in 11 US cities"
Sub-head
"San Francisco responds with typical excess"
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walden39 months, 4 weeks ago
you wanna talk about small group? how about the small, and shrinking, group that still supports the bush administration?
in boston, on a lousy fall new england day, there were 10,000 of us.
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bobo-in-texas9 months, 4 weeks ago
And Just what was accomplished besides you getting wet and cold?
Are any votes in the Congress going to turn out differently?
Are Hillary or Obama going to change their position that US troops will be there for at least four more years?
Will the Democrat Party do anything more for you than pat you on the head and take your money and you vote?
I stand by my alternate headline.
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hyperbola9 months, 4 weeks ago
come,come bobo. Only the rabid zioncons still really support bushie. They are about 20% of jews in america, which makes them less than 1% of americans - if one can call "israel-firsters" americans.
'I Don't Think This Place Is Worth Another Soldier's Life'
After 14 months in a Baghdad district torn by mounting sectarian violence, members of one U.S. unit are tired, bitter and skeptical...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/ar...
Why Does Norman Podhoretz Hate America?
World War IV: The Long Struggle Against Islamofascism
Norman Podhoretz
Norman Podhoretz's new book, World War IV: The Long Struggle Against Islamofascism, is a hate-filled, anti-American book of the first order. Podhoretz hates every American who does not support the neocons views, the foreign policy they have devised, and the military and national security disasters to which they are leading America.
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hyperbola9 months, 4 weeks ago
cont'd
Patrick Buchanan, Andrew J. Bacevich, Sir John Keegan, Brent Scowcroft, Zbigniew Brzezinski, Samuel Huntington, Francis Fukuyama, and many others are all targets of Podhoretz. These men are variously characterized as anti-Semites...
And who are the heroes of the story? Why, Podhoretz and the familiar roster of Israel-firsters: Paul Wolfowitz, R. James Woolsey, Charles Krauthammer, Douglas Feith, Victor Davis Hanson, John R. Bolton, Joseph Lieberman, Richard Perle, Robert Kagan, Max Boot, Steve Emerson, Daniel Pipes, Michael Rubin, Michael Ledeen, Kenneth Adelman, Frank Gaffney, and a few others who have battled so long and hard to ensure that America fights an endless war against Muslims in Israel's defense....
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Alpes9 months, 4 weeks ago
DoDo writes: "No go to bed, it late and you have school tomorrow."
thank you very much indeed, yes i mustn't neglect my classes for my new advanced courses during this semester at graduate school, my second masters programe.
unfortunately, judging by your substandard language and communication skills alone, you should reconsider returning to school (junior-high?) for yourself.
a highschool diploma is within reach even for someone of your limited capabilities.
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bobo-in-texas9 months, 4 weeks ago
"bobo as in dodo and poopoo!"
Spoken like an accomplished grad student. What's your focus. Peace Studies, Feminist Lit or possibly Art HerStory?
I'm sure that your creative language skills will prove invaluable when you transition from academe to the service industry.
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Alpes9 months, 4 weeks ago
"bobo as in dodo and poopoo!"
ah hah, bingo your language, i knew i could do it for you dodo!!!
but no need to be bitter, just because you may be limited to doing the mcdonald's or janitorial sort of "service industry" jobs at present.
at least i see you've gotten hold of (work mate?) a college catalog, so dream on!
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markoller9 months, 4 weeks ago
Your tactic is self-defeating. It is similar to a Catholic condemning any anti-Nazi opinion, by calling it anti-Catholic toxic waste. Nor is the Nazi comparison an exaggeration in this case. The main difference between the destruction of the Twin Trade Towers and the Reichstag fire is scale, and your criminal blindness makes you an accessory.
I am the first to admit that Christian Zionists played an essential role. First, Israel must reconquer all its ancient territories, then all Jews must return to Israel. Next comes the Rapture, the seven years of tribulations, the battle of Armageddon and finally: the Millennium.
Before believing the worn out anti-Semitism ad-hominem, read "masters of puppet: Cleveland IMC," at http://religion.propeller.com/story/2007/10/28/... Click the URL in my comment.
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bobo-in-texas9 months, 4 weeks ago
You are a loon. I'm not entirely sure of which flavor, but a loon nonetheless.
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hyperbola9 months, 4 weeks ago
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Podhoretz and his chums are the men responsible for the lethal mess America now faces in the Muslim world, and they have also done more than any other group â;; Hamas and Hezbollah included â;; to undermine Israel's long-term security. In short, the influence and arrogance of this gang has been an unmitigated and accelerating disaster for the two nations they claim to love most. I will leave it up to those who read the book to decide which country they obviously love best, but I bet you can guess before turning a page....
http://www.antiwar.com/scheuer/?articleid=11670
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gamahuche9 months, 4 weeks ago
Sorry hyper - gave you 2 unintentional negs above.
I was aiming a left and a right at Bo and Bo.
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markoller9 months, 4 weeks ago
Great article, but Osama bin Laden had nothing to do with the terrorism of September 11. He wasn't even a rabid anti-American fanatic.
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Codi69349 months, 4 weeks ago
From a soldier's point of view, just another kick in the face. Thanks I needed that, again!!!
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dissent9 months, 4 weeks ago
Hey, bud, some things in this life and world are just a little bigger than how personally you choose to take it. Most people figure that out when they grow up and out of adolescence.
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libsRfunny9 months, 4 weeks ago
"Most people figure that out when they grow up and out of adolescence."
Looks like you haven't grown up yet, then. After all, Codi is entitled to voice his opinion just as much as you. You just have to realize, some things in this life are bigger and many people will feel differently than how you personally take it. Most people figure that out when ... ahh, never mind, would be a waste of breath.
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dissent9 months, 4 weeks ago
uh huh.... I see you're quite the expert in pointless points of view there, chuckles.
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hyperbola9 months, 4 weeks ago
The biggest cowards and traitors in america are those that try to hide their ideology behind "support the troops". One should not forget that an ever increasing proportion of our troops are AGAINST bushies silly war. Indeed, it is unfortunate that the Reuters article did not underline this.
Iraq Veterans Against the War
IVAW to Show Military Opposition to the Iraq War on October 27
If you are a soldier or veteran who has served on active duty or in the Reserves or National Guard
since 9/11, and you are frustrated and angry with the way our military has been used and abused to wage an occupation against the people of Iraq, then know that you are not alone. On October 27th, veterans, soldiers, and citizens will gather in 11 cities around this country in a national expression of the breadth and depth of antiwar sentiment in this nation. One of the biggest gatherings of IVAW members will be in Boston...
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wallyone9 months, 4 weeks ago
codi; how do you feel it is a kick in the face? this war should never have happened. thousands are being killed because of the lies of this administration. history will prove bush to be the biggest liar and worst president ever. he is a puppet of the corporations. i say it is time for a revolution, the ron paul revolution.
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Codi69349 months, 4 weeks ago
When the hometown does not support the hometeam, that bugs me. And don't say you support the troops , and not the war. That is a load of crap. That is the PC way of spitting on the troops.
Congress don't want to win, the public only cares about the price of gas, and Brittany Spears and who will win Survivor.
If we would put politics aside for a minute, unite as a nation, and fight this war to win, it would had ended 2 years ago.
It is dishearting to be in country and watch crap like this on T.V. You don't understand what it does to morale.
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Bruedaddy9 months, 4 weeks ago
You REALLY need to grow up and realize EVERYONE supports YOU.
It is NEVER ABOUT THE TEAM.
IT'S ABOUT THE STUPID GAME.
Quit your GD whining.
act like the ADULT you seem to think you are.
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Codi69349 months, 4 weeks ago
You may not like the game, but if you don't support the team in the game then all of this is lost. Your bio said that you are an avid gun owner. Which leads me to believe that you are a middle of the road kind a guy. You know there is a right and wrong and try to stay away from the gray areas. This is one of those gray areas. But it will get worse if we don't win this war.
The most dangerous thing in the world is a madman with as cause. Right now, there cause,there will is a lot stronger then ours.
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Jaydee409 months, 4 weeks ago
"The most dangerous thing in the world is a madman with as cause."
That describes the shrub. Why can't you see that?
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KicBoxStallion9 months, 4 weeks ago
"The most dangerous thing in the world is a madman with as cause."
we all know who really earned this undisputed title, mob boss cheney #1, followed by bush the butcher #2, but hopefully not for too much longer, thank god!
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Bruedaddy9 months, 3 weeks ago
Well, I do support the team.
I support them not getting killed for a liar named bush.
I usually am middle MOR on most things, I lust get tired of mislead people acting more like robots for bush.
BUSH HAS CREATED THE TERRORISM....
Now, that said. what to do? I don't think we can FULLY withdraw. We broke it WE fix it.
I say withdraw all but say 20,00 troops. Pull them back for training and support.
Let the iraqis die for THEIR country OR CHANGE it for the better.
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om36m9 months, 3 weeks ago
I couldn't agree more. Why should our people die for someone else's country? It's stupid really. If they can't support their own country, so what? They turn lower class country. Let us then try helping them by sending food or clean water. Let's help in a way that prevents people from both sides dying. If they refuse help then, that's there problem.
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hyperbola9 months, 4 weeks ago
Unfortunately for you, more than 65% of american troops have been AGAINST continuing bushies silly war since 2004. It seems that they are more in line with the real principles of american democracy than you.
Frankly if Congress doesn't hurry up and end the bushie follies, the troops are close to rebelling in the same way as they did in Vietnam.
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bumbaklotartattack9 months, 4 weeks ago
Just as telling, in this year's poll only 41 percent of the military said the U.S. should have gone to war in Iraq in the first place, down from 65 percent in 2003. That closely reflects the beliefs of the general population today â;; 45 percent agreed in a recent USA Today/Gallup poll.
http://www.militarycity.com/polls/2006_main.php
Care to show the world again how ignorant you are, redneck?
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markoller9 months, 4 weeks ago
The troops never rebelled in Vietnam. That was more media propaganda.
I am second to none in my hatred for the Bush administration, which started the war, after perpetrating Reichstag II. But let's use our words accurately, you want America to withdraw from the war, not end the war. For Iraqis the war will be deadlier than ever.
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smithichie9 months, 4 weeks ago
How could the war in Iraq have ended 2 years ago if there was no protesting in America? No matter how many battles our troops win, no matter how many 'bad guys' they kill, our troops can't make the Iraqi government do the job the Iraqi government needs to do themselves.
The surge is a success from our military perspective, but what has the Iraqi government done with this success?
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dissent9 months, 4 weeks ago
smithichie - our troops can't make the Iraqi government do the job the Iraqi government needs to do themselves.
Maybe the Iraqi government doesn't like taking orders from us ..... You know, that democracy, sovereign state thing we've been toting these past few years? Ah, wouldn't it all be so much easier if we just said, "Jump!" and they asked, "How high?" Instead, we say "Jump!" and they just roll over and play dead.
[Footnote for the dimbulbs: this comment is sarcastic.]
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markoller9 months, 4 weeks ago
Iraq has no government worthy of the name. Iraq needs to be a police state, preferably ruled by a sane man, not a crazy sadist like Saddam Hussein.
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KMFDM9 months, 4 weeks ago
(When the hometown does not support the hometeam, that bugs me. And don't say you support the troops , and not the war. That is a load of crap. That is the PC way of spitting on the troops. )
With that kinda of Idealogy, you would have supported Hilter in WWII if you were German. Last time I look, it was'nt the soldiers that started this war. There is a lot of shady things done by our administration to put us in this war. Some might even say this isnt a war but a occupation. Even further, some ones point of view might be that keeping our soldiers involved in some half mad politician's (that drank to much, did coke, barely could report to duty, assigned to home as a multitude of americans died over in vietnam, stold atleast one election, support fraudulent character assasignation of a vietnam vet, and invaded a soveriegn country under false pretense, totally forgeting about the people that bombed the twin towers), war, is a kick in the teeth.
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denbenenki9 months, 4 weeks ago
END THE INVASION...
But don't send those IDIOT or COWARDLY soldiers back here!
And just in case anyone disputes they are IDIOTS or COWARDS, I submit they are:
1. COWARDS: becuz, any soldier who is AFRAID of a DISHONARBLE DISCHARGE or even 1-3 years in prison for refusing to kill innocent people,is a COWARD! and;
2. IDIOTS: becuz, any soldier who believes s/he is defending the USA by killing innocent people, is an IDIOT!
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hyperbola9 months, 4 weeks ago
Rubbish. You are being used as a private army for oil and israel. Time to break through your cradle to grave propaganda bubble.
The Mouth of a Graveyard: A Review of Dahr Jamail's Beyond the Green Zone: Dispatches From an Unembedded Journalist in Occupied Iraq
... This month, Haymarket Books of Chicago is publishing a book by Jamail that reprises his time in Iraq reporting the war and occupation. The book is a riveting and clearly written piece of journalism that puts the pap most US residents consider as news to shame. Alternating between personal and up close stories of encounters with Iraqis from various walks of life in post-invasion Iraq and straight out reportage, Jamail succeeds the story of a nation torn asunder by outside forces intent on destruction and theft. Woven in is Jamail's own recitation of his emotions and hopelessness born of just how cruel and murderous his government can be.
http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?Ite...
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dissent9 months, 4 weeks ago
It sounds like sarcasm but it's so obscure it doesn't make sense. But that's okay, it's your opinion, sprout, and your perfectly entitled to it. ;)
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NoWayMan9 months, 4 weeks ago
and what about when bush underfunds the VA, sends troops overseas for the good of the corporations, places troops in battle without the proper equipment, puts troops in situations where they're damned if they do and damned if they don't?
bush has been kicking our troops in the face ever since he turned his eye on iraq.
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Flyboy629 months, 4 weeks ago
The VA is not underfunded. The troops were sent overseas for the good of the planet, the troops that went to battle without the the proper equipment were National Guard troops whose respective States were responsible for equiping them, The troops are only damned by those who wish to use them for political leverage against President G.W. Bush.
The President has done everything he can for the troops, what have you done?
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hyperbola9 months, 4 weeks ago
Rubbish. Virtually every member of the military who can protest without reprisal from the bushie liars does so.
Veterans Against the Iraq War http://www.vaiw.org/vet/index.php
US Ex-Military Brass Raise Voices In Criticism Of Iraq War
http://www.vaiw.org/vet/modules.php?name=News&f...
The real american heroes are those who protest while still on active duty.
The Persecution of Lt. Cmdr. Diaz
http://www.harpers.org/archive/2007/10/hbc-9000...
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markoller9 months, 4 weeks ago
I would be extremely skeptical. The Vietnam Veterans Against the War and the Winter Soldiers's Investigation were a sham. Almost all of the Vietnam veteran, war criminals, and psychos paraded by the press were fake.
Always assume everything the press and television says is a lie, until proven otherwise.
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NoWayMan9 months, 4 weeks ago
then why did the VA suffer a budget shortfall of $1.3 BILLION in 2005? do a google search for "VA underfunded" then read.
the troops were NOT sent to iraq for the good of the planet. fewer and fewer people believe that lie every day.
and please don't talk about troops being used for political leverage if you're not going to talk about how these troops are doing the corporations' bidding by way of the white house.
"I don't think this place is worth another soldier's life."
- Sgt. Victor Alarcon, 1st Battalion, 18th Infantry Regiment, 1st Infantry Division, in southwestern Baghdad.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/ar...
what am I doing for the troops? I'm trying to get them home safe where they belong and out of this war of lies in iraq.
our troops deserve better.
denial time is over.
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jetsfan199 months, 4 weeks ago
ummmm why the hell is the US playing world police and taking care of the problems that nobody else though was a big enough problem to deal with?
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CaptainLucid9 months, 4 weeks ago
I respect you Codi because you do a job I could not handle. I think we have a top notch military which deserves much praise. When we protest we are not protesting you. We are protesting the draft dodging chicken hawks who abused you because they wanted to steal oil. We protest because we think you deserve better than being sent out as cannon fodder by W. We think you should be at home with your family.
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nostalgia9 months, 4 weeks ago
"they wanted to steal oil"
We stole so much oil it has gone to $92/barrel
Looks like we have cornered the market
Better find a new line
The "steal oil" makes you look foolish
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ADAGUY9 months, 4 weeks ago
The Us is out to steal the Iraqi oil reserves. There has ben a bill in the Iraqi parliment for quite some time that will give 80% of the iraqi oil reserves to 7 major oil companies, 5 of which are located in the US.
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doppich9 months, 4 weeks ago
Obviously, they did not succeed in the theft (much as they have failed in just about everyything relating to Iraq); nonetheless, $92 oil is surely an acceptable alternative for the unnamed members of Cheney's Energy Task Force.
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doppich9 months, 4 weeks ago
We agree that BushCheney's principal aim was to secure Iraq's oil for their pals in BigOil. The only difference is that ADAguy thinks they are still trying and I think they've already failed. I see $100 oil as a compensatory gift for their buddies. The question is whether achieving it requires more Cheney bluster or more war. There are no "stories" to straighten.
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Jaydee409 months, 4 weeks ago
Can't you see the connection, let's try something different. Lets say you have a parcel of land down on the waterfront in some city. It's worth 10 million but there are other lots available for development so you must compete with other owners. If you were to stir up the crime rates in the other peoples areas you could up your price because it would be less of a risk for builders to build in. Basically what your doing is taking their lots of the market and driving up the price of your own lot. Iraq's oil reserve is not that big, but it's big enough when somebody messes with it it drives the world price up and the oil companies make bigger profits. Why am I telling you this, your smart enough to know this. What would be smart is do away with opec. Here in Canada the Alberta oils sands have enough oil for over 200 years. That's one source out of countless ones so why should we be gouged like people who don't have any or enough?
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dissent9 months, 4 weeks ago
Flyboy62 - Do some honest research and find out who is getting all of the money from the barrel sales.
Hint: They all live in the Middle East, not the U.S.
Now who's not being honest? I hate to break this to ya, buzz, but Exxon Mobil, Chevron, BP and Shell don't all live in the Middle East. They live everywhere.
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wallyone9 months, 4 weeks ago
92 american dollar oil because of a collapsing dollar. when BB lowers interest rates again you will see 100 dollar oil. when opec stops using the US dollar as their base currency you will see 150 dollar oil.. way to go georgie boy, you're doing a heck of a job.
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markoller9 months, 4 weeks ago
Oil is a red herring. And accusing the Bush, Cheney and his neocons of profiteering is a compliment. At least, profiteers are sane.
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quackpot9 months, 4 weeks ago
hint: BushCo is not interested in the oil for the sake of lowering oil prices.
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nostalgia9 months, 4 weeks ago
The same Greenspan who presided over one of the most damaging bubbles in stockmarket history?
The same Greenspan who kept interest rates extremely low in 2001 which allowed the US housing market and homeowner's debt to grow tremendously? From 2001 to 2005, outstanding mortgage debt went from $5.293 billion to $8.888 billion.
What Greenspan did was create a time bomb and you are seeing the results now
And you believe Greenspan?
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saneman9 months, 4 weeks ago
I am not sure how "they' becomes "we" unless, of course, you are connected with the U.S. oil companies. I am sure the U.S. oil companies don't have the same connection to you as you want to believe. Its the U.S. oil companies who are reaping the benefits not the common ordinary person in the U.S. The oil companies love to see $92 per barrel. Also, for some reason, Americans believe its all about them. LOL! I've got news for you, it's not. The U.S. oil companies sell the oil to the world not just to you.
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Obaku9 months, 4 weeks ago
Did I say it was hurting them? Even their 'record profits' are in dollars inflated by the Fed, and their costs go up too. But they work on figuring an average % return, and rely more on profits from retail sales than directly from the trade in crude.
Just wait until the relative price of oil goes up - by that I mean the price as a ratio of the price of wheat, or corn, or nickel, or steel, or copper.
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