Cheney Hunting Trip Under Fire For Confederate Flag »
Posted By TimALoftis 11 months, 2 weeks ago in NewsAlthough a heavy police presence kept the media and curious local residents at a distance, Cheney's visit did stir up a bit of controversy when a New York Daily News photographer snapped a picture of a small Confederate flag hanging inside a garage
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aniokly11 months, 2 weeks ago
Those were Americans dying to defend the Conderate flag. Leave it alone. We are tired of this PC BS, You cannot change the past. Americans can do, and say, and fly whatever flag they want to fly. You don't want to fly the Rebel flag, then don't, but leave the rest of us alone.
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aceofspades111 months, 2 weeks ago
aniokly - take your rebel flag & shove it - the Confederates were traitors who took arms against the Federal Govt. The total losses of the Civil War were more than all the other wars we've had combined.
Would you think the same about flying a Nazi flag --- hmmmm maybe you would
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aceofspades111 months, 2 weeks ago
Rev. Al - what a joke hasn't passed an opportunity to stir the racial pot for his own ends. - Cheney & Sharpton going hunting together great idea! Almost as good as Hamilton & Burr. Either way we come out at least 50% better off
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saintetienne11 months, 2 weeks ago
Hey aceofdumbasses,
Since you hate America so much (don't deny it - I've seen your past posts), why don't you take the AMERICAN flag and shove it? You seem to think that America is a murderer, an aggressor, has led the world into war and that we're responsible for thousands of innocent Iraqi deaths. So by your logic, the American flag ought to be far up your goosebutt by now.
Quack Quack, bird brain.
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tkyrchncs11 months, 2 weeks ago
Ace, old Son, opinions differ as to the commonly displayed Confederate battle flag. Many regard it as a symbol of proud patriotism and rejection of all comsuming federalism. Only the federal govt. (and not nearly everyone they represented) regarded the Confederacy to be in rebellion. The states seceeded based in every case on plebescite--you know--the will of the majority of the voters? Without invasion by the Federal troops of a seperate sovereign nation there would have been no war and no loss of life.
Oh, and as to the story, there's not a nickle's worth of difference between fascist imperialist Cheney and loud-mouthed bigot Sharpton. Lock them in a windowless room together and shoot whoever emerges.
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AbuAmirah11 months, 2 weeks ago
Okay, since its cool to fly the flags of enemy entities, would it be cool for me to fly an Al-Quida flag?
Sidebar: For all of you, who are government agents, I'm just posing a question from the Devil's advocate (i don't mean W ) point of view. I am a loyal, tax paying, pi$$ed if Trojan USA American, who heterosexual and a hunter
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Endoscopy11 months, 2 weeks ago
It is illegal for him to order the torture of anyone. Everybody throws that term around without knowing the legal definition. "To cause severe pain or inflict permanent damage."
Causing fear and discomfort is not torture. Water boarding is not torture. It causes mild discomfort and a lot of fear.
He also can't order the death of anyone. Do you live in an alternate universe?
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tkyrchncs11 months, 2 weeks ago
Waterboarding and temperature reduction can either one cause permanent injury and death, Endo, especially when applied repeatedly. Do you think for one instant that legality is a serious concern of the menbers of the present administration, or constitutionality? Do YOU live in an alternate universe?
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thaw11 months, 2 weeks ago
i don't like cheney, i think he's a dangerous man.
but...
i doubt he had anything to do with the hanging of the flag. and being in a garage, i doubt the owners of the club, had anything to do with it either.
it was probably, to be used instead of a curtain. it's a stinkin' hunt camp.
un-news.
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Jaydee4011 months, 2 weeks ago
The Confederacy is part of American history and a large rich and proud part. The civil war was about more than just slavery, but once again the special interest groups use anything and everything to drum up support for their cause. I put to you was the treatment of the blacks that much better under the flag of the other side of the civil war? We all know racism still exists to this day in many forms. Blacks were still beaten, hanged, and displaced at the whim of the whites after the fall of the Confederacy, so are you not to fly the current standard?
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Obaku11 months, 2 weeks ago
Lynching was a phenomenon of Reconstruction, not of the Confederacy. The plantation owners of the South may have been slave owners, but the Yankee traders of New England were the ones running, and profiting from, the triangle trade - in rum, molasses, and slaves.
The Emancipation Proclamation only freed slaves in the Confederacy (not technically within Lincoln's jujridiction at the time), not those outside it.
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tkyrchncs11 months, 2 weeks ago
Depending on the technical view, it freed no one. The President had no authority to deprive any citizen of his property without due process, and the "citizens" so deprived considreed themselves citizens of a different nation entirely, over whom he had no authority whatsoever.
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saintetienne11 months, 2 weeks ago
Jaydork,
(Sigh) Once again....
You're CANADIAN. NOBODY CARES about your opinion. Go fly your dopey maple leaf flag and watch your dopey hockey games. Adults are trying to have a conversation here about our own country. You know, the country you WISH you were born in, but got stuck with....(pause for snicker and laughter)....Canada?
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Endoscopy11 months, 2 weeks ago
Jaydee40
I totally agree with you. I was born in South Bend. I remember in the 50's a restaurant served a black man. The restaurant died shortly thereafter because the whites boycotted the place. During the court ordered busing there were a lot of protesters in the south. Everyone stayed away from the children. In Boston there was an attempt to overturn a loaded bus. The South was out in the open but the North hid it away until it bursts out.
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Jaydee4011 months, 2 weeks ago
We weren't much better, look up Africville in Halifax Nova Scotia. A black community the white developers took a liking to and just kicked them out to make a profit. The sad part is they still do that today, the deciding factor today may not be race but it still happens.
http://archives.cbc.ca/IDD-1-69-96/life_society...
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AbuAmirah11 months, 2 weeks ago
It wasn't about slavery at all. It was about keepin our bitch in line and having her bring our money to us on a Friday night. Becuase its Friday night and ain't a damn thing funny. Abe Linc, didn't like black people all that much anyway, and I am sure he wouldn't initiate a war that killed all those white boys on my father's ancestor's behalf
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cushi11 months, 2 weeks ago
You and many others LOVE to shoot the messenger! Rev. Sharpton did not seek out the press to comment about the flag; they sought HIM! He has as much right to express himself as any other American, whether anybody else likes it or not! He wouldn't have known about the flag if the reporter had not COME TO HIM and ASKED FOR HIS OPINION, so stop knocking him for exercising his constitutional right to free speech. His reaction to that flag is the same as many other U.S. citizens. You talk as if he invented the objection to that obscenity that is the confederate symbol of all that's wrong with this country. You'll notice I didn't use past tense because you demonstrate the same mindset that your forefathers did! They engaged in the most heinous, disgusting system of deprivation, degradation, humiliation, annihilation and desecration of fellow human beings in the history of the world. And you have the unmitigated GALL to blame the victims for protesting it in outrage.
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injest11 months, 2 weeks ago
"You and many others LOVE to shoot the messenger! Rev. Sharpton did not seek out the press to comment about the flag; they sought HIM! "
And why do you think they sought him out? Did the press EXPECT to get a wild comments from him? Did he deliver?
"conditional reflexes"
Take a picture of a Confederate flag, show it to Al Sharpton, tell him Cheney, Bush or anyone on the right and watch the fireworks fly.
"conditional reflexes" AKA "Pavlov's dog"
"He has as much right to express himself as any other American, whether anybody else likes it or not! "
Yes he does, now is he bright enough to know when he is being played?
"He wouldn't have known about the flag if the reporter had not COME TO HIM and ASKED FOR HIS OPINION, so stop knocking him for exercising his constitutional right to free speech."
It's called entertainment value. Stop being a schmuck
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cptnkrk11 months, 1 week ago
"You'll notice I didn't use past tense because you demonstrate the same mindset that your forefathers did!"
You, Sir, are misinformed.
I come from a long line of abolitionists so get off your high horse. Stop reacting and think. The mindset I was commenting on was the "find something bad even if you have to stretch it" news media.
AlSharpton is a willing pawn in the desperate need for bad news. He can say whatever he wants, as I can.
Just try to be a little more informed before you spout inanities.
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pismo11 months, 2 weeks ago
Who cares about the flag issue....I want to know who allowed shotgun Dickie to have a gun again?
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4cprocess11 months, 2 weeks ago
This is the absolutely CNN at it's lowest.
Small flag.
In a garage.
Al Sharpton.
This is posted under the wrong topic.
Humor beyond belief.
Can't wait to see the full story in the National Inquirer.
ROFLMAO
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Wolfie200711 months, 2 weeks ago
If you are southerner and you had ancestors in the War of Northern Aggression the flag is a symbol of those ancestors and a symbol of a southerners love for his home. Southerners are a proud bunch and asking them to give up this symbol is cruel and antagonizing. They lost the war but they do remain proud. When a southern looks at that flag they don't think of cross burning or lynchings so I guess it's all in the eye of the beholder or the rabble rouser, like Al Sharpton.
BTW, the flag that most think is the flag of the Confederacy is actually the Alabama Battle Flag. The Confederate flag was blue, hence, the "Bonnie Blue Flag."
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GHOSTWHOWALKS11 months, 2 weeks ago
About time someone told the rest what the difference in the flags are. Thanks.
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pismo11 months, 2 weeks ago
The confederate flag is also known as the "rebel" flag because the south was rebelling against the controls the north were trying to place on them. When someone gets a tattoo of the confederate flag, 99.9% of the time it' is because they want to show their opposition to being controlled. Same way with bumper stickers and T-shirts. Usually does not have anything to do with racist actions or thoughts. An SS or swastika on the other hand would be about racism.
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aceofspades111 months, 2 weeks ago
Wolfie - you're take on the Confederate flag is a little off - The flag known as the Bonnie Blue Flag was a lone star on a blue field first flown over the Mss. Capitol. It was given it's name by an Irish actor who wrote the song "my Bonnie Blue Flag" - very popular - The flag with the crossed stars & bars was origionally the Confederate naval standard - It was adopted as the battle flag to differentiate it from the Conferate version of the Stars & Bars which was simular to the American flag. The Blue Flag was NEVER adopted as the official Confederate flag. Try looking up some flag info - readily available
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agentX11 months, 2 weeks ago
Dick Cheney going "Gucci Hunting" in a place with a Confederate flag.
Talk about playing to your base.
Just like Jack Kemp said, they're the party of the Country Club.
Priceless.
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jetsfan1911 months, 2 weeks ago
wtf?? i hate cheney with a passion and i dont even find this news worthy. sharpton needs to be sent somewhere where they care about his useless rants. id say somewhere where they take him seriously but im not sure anyone on the planet takes this buffoon seriously.
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simonsez11 months, 2 weeks ago
That old Southener from Wyoming, no less.
It's hard to imagine that there are some citizens that believe CNN is NOT a credible news agency.
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Dionys11 months, 2 weeks ago
Maybe Sharpton should just be glad he's not hunting with Cheney. I'd hate for anyone to be "accidentally" shot.
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simonsez11 months, 2 weeks ago
It does seem like Al and Jesse have taken it upon themselves to keep racial intolerance alive and well. Of ALL the successful black people that I know or are aware of, only these two trigger a racial response in my mind. They are always against something.
Sad.
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puffin11 months, 2 weeks ago
If something's been sitting in my garage for 6 or 7 years, it's probably on it's way to the dump next spring.
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aceofspades111 months, 2 weeks ago
A Confederate flag in a garage in a place that Cheney visited is no story
The"Rev" Sharpton's exploitation of it is.
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abntv11 months, 2 weeks ago
"Rich white men hunting--the perfect metaphor for the Bush-Cheney machine."
I have no idea what that is supposed to mean.
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injest11 months, 2 weeks ago
Seriously, was the photographer named Ivan P. Pavlov?
Because this sounds like a classic "conditional reflexes" experiment.
Take a picture of a Confederate flag, show it to Al Sharpton, tell him Cheney, Bush or anyone on the right and watch the fireworks fly.
"The photo was shown to New York City civil rights activist the Rev. Al Sharpton, who issued a statement demanding that the vice president "leave immediately, denounce the club and apologize for going to a club that represents lynching, hate and murder to black people."
"conditional reflexes" AKA "Pavlov's dog"
Just asking
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abntv11 months, 2 weeks ago
Just to bring things back to the subject of the article..
The article says that a photog took a picture of a flag hanging in a small garage..it does not say where the garage was or if Cheney even knew the flag was there.
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joeblowe11 months, 2 weeks ago
Good luck with that. And at the top of the page, no less. I'm starting to seriously think the "anchors" are more than slightly retarded. The only thing about this that's NEWS is the fact that someone thought it was NEWS. Jesus Herpes Christ - there's GOT to be a limit to bleating about Political Correctness doesn't there? Please? Can't we make it legal to just shoot the people who still think tacking a small confederate flag up in a GARAGE is something worth notice? Please? It was probably put up there by someone who watched The Dukes of Hazzard and thought it was "cool" without knowing anything about the civil war or it's (popularly supposed) causes. I KNOW there's more important stuff going on. A LOT more important - like maybe someone in Alabama painted the walls of their trailer or something. /end rant
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aceofspades111 months, 2 weeks ago
"I am trying to figure out why this story was posted in the first place."----
ab - I think the Cheney thing is completely inconsequential - but this thread has given us a form to rap on each other & that works too.
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NelsonR11 months, 2 weeks ago
Can you possibly imagine how Cheney feels, knowing he is probably the most despised man in America?
If there is an afterlife, a God would have a special place to put this cowardly gentleman into, Bush types included.
Who would want this hatred, I surmise only a Cheney conservative hawk who also avoided war while condoning it.
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walden311 months, 2 weeks ago
i can't stand cheney. i think he is truly an evil monster.
but who really cares about this. people can fly whatever flag they want. i understand it's like the swastika to many people, but at least we know where these folks stand, by the flags they fly.
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MacR11 months, 2 weeks ago
Actually the displaying of the flag reminds those who are still familiar with history. Is for the reminder of who and what the carpet baggers are. The Carpet Bagging that went on after the war was a pretty horrible time for southerners.
The Flag was used sometimes as the safe haven for meetings. It was displayed and that meant a meeting was going to take place there. It later was obused with extremists who did lynchings.
As ignorant as most of you are. Are you not aware that there were blacks who fought for the south? It has been documented and even shown on the History Channel. Even though this flag has been used for racial hatered. It was not intended for that use. It was for the opressive gov't at the time.
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