Bush vetoes kids health insurance bill (again) »
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President Bush vetoed legislation Wednesday that would have expanded government-provided health insurance for children, his second slap-down of a bipartisan effort in Congress to dramatically increase funding for the popular program.
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bubba28 months, 4 weeks ago
And a "BAH, HUMBUG" to you, too, Mr. Bush ... but I expect that you will get more than a lump of coal in your Neiman-Marcus Xmas stocking ...
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Endoscopy8 months, 4 weeks ago
Why should I pay to give myself health care? It is a middle class health care bill. What government run function for anything is better than a non government run one? Answer is the military. Everything else becomes a bureaucratic nightmare and costs much more to pay for that bureaucracy.
Basic question is why would I want to be under that nightmare of a government run health care system?
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aquaman1c518 months, 4 weeks ago
the most efficient healthcare system in america is Medicaid try researching not watching fox news for your info
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Locky128 months, 4 weeks ago
That may be your own opinion. It most certainly is NOT fact. There are plenty of complaints about what they pay and when they pay. If and when the government runs the whole thing, you will see a steep decline in quality of care.
It's failing in Canada, Great Britian and France. Why are we following their lead?
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capecoralM8 months, 4 weeks ago
I applaud the President on this one. If you take time to read the proposed SCHIT bill that was vetoed you would agree too. The bill was not just for "children" it also had at an estimated 1.2 MILLION adults on the government funded health care program many who are not US citizens. The CAP that this bill proposed was 300% of the poverty level. Meaning almost a $70,000 a year ADULT earner is eligible for the coverage under the Veto'd version. The political dogma and MSM talking point is that the President and those who would vote to uphold the VETO do not care about the "Children" and do not want the program to cover children who really need the assistance. That is COMPLETE BS! There are currently an estimated 600,000 adults covered under the program! Instead this SCHIT version is nothing less than 1 more incremental step toward SOCIALIZATION of the health care system. If only the President and congress would have taken the same position on the prescription Drug bill.
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bubba28 months, 4 weeks ago
The "CAP" you refer to is a state-to-state calculation.
Only ONE state in the ENTIRE country would have a 'CAP' as high as $70K - that is New York.
Where are YOUR stats on the so-called "adults" that are covered under SCHIP??
You BUY INTO the crap that there are people in this country that "do not deserve" any assistance to get ANY health care.
Bush has dragged this country into a TEN TRILLION DOLLAR DEBT because of his "war" which only causes death and destruction.
But, Bush can't bring himself to spend more than 5 Billion on healthcare for HIS constituents and the citizens - CHILDREN - of THIS country? THAT is the "COMPLETE BS".
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tanglang8 months, 4 weeks ago
We should give free insurance to those 25 year old "children" who grew up in middle class families shoudn't we?
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mesodude8 months, 4 weeks ago
"We should give free insurance to those 25 year old "children" who grew up in middle class families shoudn't we?"
--Why not? We're giving billions of our tax dollars in "subsidies" to Big Oil on top of the obscene profits they're making from charging us upwards of $3.00 per gallon at the pump and yet we hear nary a peep out of right wingers over that. Why is that?
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mesodude8 months, 4 weeks ago
"How so?"
--My point wasn't that I think having my tax dollars spent on "socialism" (as you define it) is acceptable or unacceptable but rather that I very seriously doubt that you scrutinize your government's approach to spending your tax dollars as aggressively when the beneficiaries are those on the higher end of the economic spectrum. Why is this argument going over your head?
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mesodude8 months, 4 weeks ago
"This thread has nothing to do with what you are trying to talk about. "
This thread is about Republican hypocrisy and I will provide as many examples as I see fit. If you don't like it, you don't have to respond to my posts but don't tell me I have to interpret the scope of this story as narrowly as you choose to.
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tanglang8 months, 3 weeks ago
As I have previously stated, there is a big difference between socialized medicine for government employees, and socialized medicine for everyone. The government paying for the health care of their own employees is no different than your boss paying for your health care.
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NoWayMan8 months, 4 weeks ago
sounds like you don't know much about the REAL bill.
your first claim, that adults are going to be covered, is a red herring since all the adults covered in the bill will be phased out in two years.
secondly, your $70k is another red herring since the money is handed out to the states as grants, and it up to the states to decide where to draw the line, and the only state that might go that high is NY.
third, your claim that its socialized medicine is just plain stupid since this program already exists. the money being asked for is simply to handle the current system.
its obvious that you and the rest of the haters on this board don't know what you're talking about.
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saintetienne8 months, 4 weeks ago
Not only do I know what I'm talking about, my WALLET knows, too. And my WALLET says the following:
- NO, to adults being covered for two years, or ANY amount of time.
- NO, to ANY money being "handed out to the states as grants".
- NO, to ANY more money being given out "simply to handle the current system".
You got it, NoWayAMan - - I am AGAINST one more cent of MY MONEY going toward people who WON'T take some personal responsibility and TAKE CARE OF THEMSELVES.
Bush was right to veto this, thus protecting the money of those of us who ARE taking care of ourselves. That is why I voted him in twice, and would vote for him again if he were allowed to run for a third term.
DON'T tell me what to do with my money. I earned it, I'LL see to it that it gets spent - or saved - wisely.
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IanFraigun8 months, 4 weeks ago
Well I can tell you that you will pay a lot more. People who do not have insurance when they get ill or injured go into the emergency room.
In that case the costs escalate over what they would otherwise would be. Additionally the emergency rooms cannot and will not turn away people so we have much higher expenses and guess where that comes from.
It comes from your tax dollars and you have nothing to say about it unless you want all emergency services cut for all. That would of course include you if you have a stroke or heart attack. Here you are a perfect example of cutting off your own nose to spite your face.
Grow up and be willing to participate in the greater good rather than letting your greed to not help others spite you in the end and I guarantee it will some day.
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tanglang8 months, 4 weeks ago
Oh the day would not be complete without nccneon stopping by to neg everything I say.
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Jaydee408 months, 4 weeks ago
For a family living from pay cheque to pay cheque 50$ can be a large amount, you should not be so cavalier about the working poor tang. Well paying jobs are not always easy to find and ones with good health care benefits are even harder for some. Why are so many afraid of universal health care, it costs less per person and increases the level of health of the average person. Those are documented facts, wouldn't you like to save money and be healthier?
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tanglang8 months, 3 weeks ago
I could not be any healthier. 6 weeks after spinal surgery I was back to doing 200 push ups, sit ups, squats and running everyday. If more people would take care of themselves like I do we would not even be discussing this. Also, the level of care I received was great. Universal health care would benefit people who do not take care of themselves and screw people like me.
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NoWayMan8 months, 4 weeks ago
wow frenchy, you sure are filled with hate.
and I guess you didn't know this, but you're going to end up spending more money on these same people if they don't have schip. they'll end up going to the emergency room when they get sick and the bill we'll all end up paying will be much higher. so, its in your best interest to fund schip up front. if not, you'll have to pay a higher bill on the back end.
too bad you're not smart enough to see that.
other stuff...
the money is already handed out as state grants. like many existing programs, i.e. no child left behind.
the only adults covered are 18-25, who will be phased in 2 years. (a very small part of the the program btw).
and meanwhile...
you're fine spending endless billions on war.
but hey, at least you're being honest about your hatred and racism and not trying to spread a bunch of false "facts" about the schip program, like capecoral and many others on this board. I'll give you that.
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jimdoze8 months, 4 weeks ago
Where is the hatred and racism in saintetienne's comments? There is no way (man) that such an accusation, based on such specious straw, should be allowed to stand. If his really were racist comments, I'd be standing in line to nail him to the wall. But, who's really the racist here? Could it be that your paternalistic plantation owner mindset is peeking through?
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NoWayMan8 months, 4 weeks ago
get real. plantation mindset? not for this tri-racial person. I'm talking about saving real money here. you're going to pay, one way or the other. schip will actually save us all money in the long run and people like frenchy just don't get it cause they're too busy saying "mine! mine! mine!"
how long have you been on these boards?
frenchy's a true hater. period.
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saintetienne8 months, 4 weeks ago
"frenchy's a true hater. period."
Partially true. I truly hate your witless, boneheaded, go-nowhere comments, and I truly hate that they take up propeller space which could otherwise be going to another poster with something insightful to say.
Aside from that, I don't hate anything.
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saintetienne8 months, 4 weeks ago
"its in your best interest to fund schip up front."
Spoken like a true Socialist dictator.
Heil Hitler. Heil Chavez. Please....take all of my money....the government knows what is best....
No thanks, NoWayAreYouAMan. I will decide what MY best interests are with MY OWN money. And it sure ain't in caring for the welfare poor and their endless parade of unwanted children.
Perhaps if they were cut off COMPLETELY from the system, they would get a clue, get a job and get a life. Or not. I really don't care. I'm too busy providing for myself, so I don't become a burden on others.
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NoWayMan8 months, 4 weeks ago
your hatred is getting in the way of you saving money. you're going to pay for these people one way or the other and you're just too dam stupid and hateful to see that.
there's no way they will be COMPLETELY cut off from the system, unless of course, you're in favor of not treating someone who walks into an emergency room who is very sick, which I guess would make you the hitler.
what a tard.
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tanglang8 months, 4 weeks ago
I think he is just tired of paying for the people who will never leave welfare, and illegals. Tell you what, boot the illegals, and require that everyone on welfare be on birth control. If you are on welfare and give birth, your child goes to a state home, and you lose your benefits. Also, people on welfare should be required to accept any job whatsoever. Even if it is cooking fries at micky d's.
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mesodude8 months, 4 weeks ago
"Who says I am not? Is this a thread about that? Nope, this thread is about schip. "
Tang, please... You're not debating 2nd graders here so stop feigning oblivion of the fact that your tax dollars support many, MANY more Americans who make a hell of a lot more than $70,000 than the paltry number of adults who *might* benefit from the expansion of SCHIP.
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mesodude8 months, 4 weeks ago
Nope, I've never said that wasting tax dollars is acceptable. What I have said is that acting as if this particular expenditure of tax dollars is so incredibly egregious when we know there are far far worse examples of questionable spending priorities is a total joke and pure right wing hypocrisy.
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tanglang8 months, 4 weeks ago
No, it's not, and yes you are. You are saying that I should not be upset at this waste of tax money because I am (so you think) not upset that the government wastes money elsewhere. There are multiple govt programs I would like to see stopped immediatly. I think it is you who is being hypocritical here.
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Jaydee408 months, 4 weeks ago
"Perhaps if they were cut off COMPLETELY from the system, they would get a clue, get a job and get a life. Or not. I really don't care. I'm too busy providing for myself, so I don't become a burden on others."
Or maybe they'll get a gun and kill your mom for 20 dollars in pocket change, your call sparky.
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bubba28 months, 4 weeks ago
I am a bit curious as to how CHILDREN are supposed to "support themselves".
Children are TOTALLY dependent on their adult 'caretakers'.
What you are saying is that if the adult 'caretakers' are irresponsible then their children deserve NO help whatsoever, even when those children have NO control over their environment or situation or WHO their 'parents' are.
Your total LACK of compassion is glaring.
The government has been telling YOU what to do with a large CHUNK of YOUR money since you have been EARING money. Because, they take out taxes and social security whether YOU like it or not.
I suppose you support the billions - approaching trillions - of dollars on unjustified wars, including your tax dollars, but you don't support ANY sort of spending that just might help some AMERICANS that need it?
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mesodude8 months, 4 weeks ago
"why should i take a bus so i can have health care while someone else drives a lexus ?"
--The thing is, it's unreasonable to assume that the reason people who makes more money than we do fail to insure their kids is that they choose to spend their money on expensive cars instead. In fact, for many peope, their cost of living may be much higher than yours or mine. What many on the right fail to mention or acknowledge is that if your insurance and other expenses take a bigger chunk out of your budget than theirs do, the fact that you make more money than they do is irrelevant. I agree with just about everything else you wrote, otherwise.
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mesodude8 months, 4 weeks ago
This line of reasoning is always amusing coming from those who perpetually whine because the "death tax" stops them from sufficiently sponging off their dead parents gains. Stop acting so sanctimonious. Hypocrisy is very unnattractive.
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mesodude8 months, 4 weeks ago
"How can one justify taxing money that has already been taxed just because that person died?"
--No. Your benefactor paid taxes on the money once when they were alive. After they died, the money became yours and now *you* have to pay taxes on the gift you received once. Don't whine about paying taxes on money you didn't earn. That's outrageous.
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tanglang8 months, 4 weeks ago
If I work my entire life and pay taxes on all my money, why should I not be allowed to take that *taxed* money and leave it to my children without big brother dipping their hand in the till? They already got their "fair" share, they should not be allowed to take their share out twice.
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mesodude8 months, 4 weeks ago
"If I work my entire life and pay taxes on all my money, why should I not be allowed to take that *taxed* money and leave it to my children without big brother dipping their hand in the till?"
--Because your children didn't earn it. Paying taxes is one of the most patriotic things we can do as Americans.
"They already got their "fair" share, they should not be allowed to take their share out twice."
They got their fair share of your *your parents'* money. Now they're getting a share of yours. Seems perfectly reasonable to me since you did squat to earn that money.
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tanglang8 months, 4 weeks ago
How do you know the money was not earned? What if my parents were very ill and I spent my time and money caring fo them at home instead of shoving them off to some retirement home? Besides, they are your parents, the things they leave you when they die should not be taxed any more than the gifts they give you throughout your life.
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saintetienne8 months, 4 weeks ago
"Seems perfectly reasonable to me since you did squat to earn that money."
Then by that logic, Mesodud, the welfare recipients, the homeless and the poor should NOT receive any more of MY tax dollars, since they did squat to earn that money.
Thanks for finally coming around and seeing logic. I should have known it would take you a little longer than the rest of us, but at least you're now on board with us rational, sane, hard-working citizens. Sparky.
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mesodude8 months, 3 weeks ago
"Then by that logic, Mesodud, the welfare recipients, the homeless and the poor should NOT receive any more of MY tax dollars, since they did squat to earn that money."
Where do I begin to explain what's wrong with your argument... For one thing, comparing money received as an inheritance or a gift to communal money distributed in the form of public assistance is like comparing apples to oranges. Also, I said tang wasn't entitled to a *tax free* inheritance. I never said that he/she wasn't entitled to *any* money so I don't understand on what grounds you can argue that the poor and the homeless deserve *none* of "your" tax dollars.
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NONEWTAXES8 months, 3 weeks ago
I don't understand your logic, You must not be getting any -maybe you don't know who your parents are. Again this is another way politicians rob us to pay others who vote for them. Why do they need to tax money that has already been taxed several times. I guess the most patriotic thing one can do is give all their
money to the left. Again this is punishment against those that have worked hard to be successful. And reward those with their hand out.
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mesodude8 months, 3 weeks ago
"I don't understand your logic..."
--Shocking
"Why do they need to tax money that has already been taxed several times."
--For the reasons I already stated multiple times within this thread.
"Again this is punishment against those that have worked hard to be successful."
--I addressed that "argument" also. You're boring me now...
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mesodude8 months, 3 weeks ago
"Thanks for finally coming around and seeing logic. I should have known it would take you a little longer than the rest of us, but at least you're now on board with us rational, sane, hard-working citizens. Sparky."
--Listen, I'm with you...I would love it if we lived in a country where each of us could cherry pick which forms of "socialism" to support or not support. In fact, if you neocons want to die in and pay the entire tab for Bush's multi-trillion dollar disaster in Iraq (while continuing to let Dick Cheney and Big Oil screw you over at the gas pump), be my guest. I would gladly let you take over those expenditures in exchange for covering SCHIP. Deal?
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PapaWolf8 months, 4 weeks ago
My children are still very young, but when they reach 22 years old, and if they needed assistance, and if I could afford it, you're DAMN STRAIGHT I'd pay the bills. Not only that, if any of my brothers or sisters needed help & I could afford it, again DAMN STRAIGHT!!!! AAMOF, my family & I have done just that - not only for each other, but for friends as well.
So much for "Compassionate Conservatism" of the extreme right that seems to be compassionate only to corporations & the richest 1% in this country.
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PapaWolf8 months, 3 weeks ago
I see your problem now. You believe that my family's miserable because we like helping each other and our friends. Do you think we'd be happier if we turned our backs on each other or left each other out in the cold?
Keep your money if that's the only thing that makes you happy. What you fail to realize, tho, is that you end up paying more later if you don't take care of things now. Not only are overall healthcare bills less expensive for regular check-ups, but a healthy society is more productive & costs the country less as a whole. So you can either pay now or pay later - kind of like regular maintenance on your house or repairing everything after it completely breaks down.
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PapaWolf8 months, 4 weeks ago
>>I suppose you support the billions - approaching trillions - of dollars on unjustified wars, including your tax dollars, but you don't support ANY sort of spending that just might help some AMERICANS that need it?
You're wrong about that. I'm just about 100% positive that (s)he supports the multi-billion dollar tax breaks W has given away to large multi-national corporations who have sent our jobs overseas so his buddies could make more money.
The CEO's get rich at the expense of the other 90 % of us.
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mesodude8 months, 4 weeks ago
"Not only do I know what I'm talking about, my WALLET knows, too. And my WALLET says the following:"
--What has your wallet shared with you regarding the billions in tax dollars that the GOP gives to Big Oil? What does your wallet say about billions of dollars unaccounted for in the so-called war against terrorism? Isn't giving billions of your tax dollars to no-bid contractors in Iraq and New Orleans socialism? Or maybe you can explain how corporations which don't have to bid for contracts "earn" your tax dollars?
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sinophil498 months, 4 weeks ago
saint - "I am AGAINST one more cent of MY MONEY going toward people who WON'T take some personal responsibility and TAKE CARE OF THEMSELVES."
Wow! I don't know how you came up with that idea. The article clearly states that the small expansion who cover families who earn too much to be covered by Medicaid, but who cannot afford private insurance.
Why would private insurance be so expensive for these families? The most common reason is that their children have chronic illnesses like diabetes, convulsions, asthma, etc. that private companies know are money losers.
That their parents make a little bit of money does not make their medical problems any less severe or less deserving of care.
You do not want to help people who do not help themselves. So you are against those huge subsidies supporting the dairy, beef, and tobacco industries. We should have them face their real costs and prices in a capitalist system, right?
Chrysler Corp under Lee Iacocca got a huge bailout..
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sinophil498 months, 4 weeks ago
from taxpayers a few years ago. You were against that, right?
Our railroad industry gets a huge subsidy to stay afloat. Without it, they would go bankrupt. You are against that too, right?
The war in Iraq is, in some ways, merely a transfer of wealth into the hands of corrupt Iraqi officials, Halliburton, and Blackwater. There are billions of dollars in waste, fraud, and some simply unaccounted for.
Don't tell me that those are okay because they benefit the nation or the war effort. The HEALTH OF OUR CHILDREN benefits the country more than having more Chrysler cars on the road, more than enriching the boardmembers and stockholders of these corporations.
You are nothing more than a narrow-minded, callus hypocrite.
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AnteUp8 months, 4 weeks ago
tanglang ~
You and your $50 office visit! Get real, please.
Some of the children who WILL be cut from the program
are going through chemotherapy - do you have any idea
how expensive that is? They are gravely ill with far
more than any $50 office visit and sample meds could
help. They experience real pain - the kind that makes them
cry real tears - that refuses to let them sleep at night.
I cannot believe that you could continue to speak as you
have if you actually SAW the misery this veto will cause.
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tanglang8 months, 4 weeks ago
Cut from what program? This is not about cutting anything. President Bush wanted to *expand* schip by 5 billion dollars, the dems wanted to expand it to 25 billion so middle class adults would be covered too.
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tanglang8 months, 4 weeks ago
Yes, I know how expensive chemo is. My father has gone through it twice. Radiation treatment too.
My mother had to raise both myself and my sister by herself from the time we were 10. At 12, I started working under the table. I shoveled dirt for a living. I have worked every year since then. There were weeks where my mother who worked hours away would stay at the hotel her comapny provided while my sis and I took care of ourselves. We cooked, cleaned and took care of all the household duties. At 12! All the money I made went to my mother to pay bills. I know about being poor and having to work for a living.
I also know that the only thing hurting those kids are the arrogance of the dems trying to force socialized medicine off on folks who don't need it.
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mesodude8 months, 4 weeks ago
This is a response to another post in which you asked:
"How do you know the money was not earned? What if my parents were very ill and I spent my time and money caring fo them at home instead of shoving them off to some retirement home?"
--That's why we have tax laws which address adult dependent care (a fact of which I'm sure you were already aware. If you paid money or inccurred other out of our pocket expenses for support an elderly or sick parent, then you can deduct these from your taxes. Problem solved. Next question?
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mesodude8 months, 4 weeks ago
"At 12, I started working under the table."
--I see... So cheating the government out of tax revenue was ingrained at a very early age.
"I also know that the only thing hurting those kids are the arrogance of the dems trying to force socialized medicine off on folks who don't need it."
--LOL...So what's this? You think these children should just suck it up, embrace the ethic of the Victorian era (as they do in some Third World countries) and work in sweatshops after school to pay for their own health insurance?
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tanglang8 months, 4 weeks ago
I had no choice and I was not cheating the government out of tax money. The law says that I was too young to work. I'll tell you this, I was hungry and so was my sister and mother. We lost everything we had when I was 9 and lived out of a car. I manned up and took care of things.
I'm sure that uncle sam was happier with me working illegally than he would have been if we had gone on welfare. At least with what I was doing your tax money was not supporting me. On top of that I learned the value of hard work.
I think the parents need to do what is right. I also think that a $5 billion expansion would more than cover the children whose parents cannot.
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mesodude8 months, 4 weeks ago
"I'm sure that uncle sam was happier with me working illegally than he would have been if we had gone on welfare."
--Wow...I'm not sure which of your bizarre rationalizations for breaking the law is more hilarious.. That if you're a *citizen* who is hungry and desperate (like the thousands of people who enter our country illegally each year), it's ok to obfuscate the law or that "Uncle Sam" would want you to break the law as long as you did it to avoid availing yourself of legal government aid to which you are entitled. Hmmm...
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tanglang8 months, 4 weeks ago
First of all the illegals are not citizens. What about cutting the lawns in your neighborhood? Kids do that all the time. Is that wrong? Personally I could give a crap what you think of what I did. I can tell you this. I own a homw, 2 cars have a nice big plasma screen, two comps, a home theater and everything else I want. I did all of it on my own. I have worked damn nera my entire life and instead of being some waste of tax payer money like most people who started out where I did are, I am a productive member of society who has never excepted a handout.
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mesodude8 months, 4 weeks ago
"First of all the illegals are not citizens."
We're talking past each other... I can respect the fact that you don't want to accept handouts from the government but this doesn't change the fact that you're skirting the law in order to do so. In effect, you're cheating the government out of tax revenue so that you can tell yourself you didn't accept public assistance. Do you simply not see a contradiction here?
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Jaydee408 months, 4 weeks ago
In all honesty you did good for yourself, but what if you or your mom or sister had of had a serious illness that required frequent hospital stays and expensive drugs, would you still be in the same place?
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lvrofwolves8 months, 3 weeks ago
wow tanglang, I guess you should be happy you were healthy enough to help support your Mom, sister and yourself. Where would you be now if there wasn't any work under the table for a kid, or if your Mom, you or Sis was sick? I'm sure many that are in your past situation are doing exactly as you did, but there are many who can't for 1 reason or another. Just about every program known to man is abused or used by people who shouldn't be 'getting', but for the majority, those programs are life savers. Should the majority of those who truly need those services suffer because of a few people who don't need it take advantage?
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tanglang8 months, 3 weeks ago
No, but this huge expansion is not about helping those people in need. They were already being helped by the current programs. A 5 billion dollar expansion would be more than enough. I would even agree to compromising on this. Lets change this bill so that it helps children in need and thats it. Adults over the age of 18, nope. Children whose parents make more than $50,000 annually, nope. Illegals, nope. Other than that, come on. I'm game.
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lvrofwolves8 months, 3 weeks ago
I'd just be much more willing to pay for health care to those who need it then to pay for more war crap. Illegals- you know I agree with that 100%, Our citizens deserve health care.
If that 18-25yr old still lives with their family, I'd say no, but I know many young adults who do work, and work very hard and have no health care at all. Isn't it important to keep them healthy too? so they don't become unhealthy then unemployed and fall into the cracks?
Nobody has ever asked to be born,(well not that I know of) and I can't see letting them suffer because of irresponsibility or circumstances beyond their or their parents control.
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sinophil498 months, 3 weeks ago
Tang - You really lead a sheltered, narrow-minded life.
How about adults over 18 who have a chronic childhood illness - heart disease, cystic fibrosis, colitis, cerebral palsy, kidney dis., diabetes, etc that insurers refuse to cover or whose premiums are exorbitantly high?
How about families who have $50000 income, but have 4,5,6,or more kids? After feeding and clothing the kids and paying for the rent, they can't afford health insurance.
How about families who are also taking care of their aged parents?
How about families that made $50000 the first part of the year, then got laid off?
How about illegals who have their children born here? Their children are citizens. Would you deny them health care and allow their tuberculosis, parasites. etc to spread thru the classroom or day care?
There are millions in our society who are uninsured or under-insured that legitimately need care but are denied it in this bountiful country.
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saintetienne8 months, 4 weeks ago
"Some of the children who WILL be cut from the program
are going through chemotherapy - do you have any idea
how expensive that is?"
I'll ask this question AGAIN:
Where are their parents in all of this? If you're going to have children, you had better make damn sure that at least ONE parent works at a job that provides health benefits, OR, that BOTH parents work so that they can afford to purchase proper health care for their children. I don't fault the children, I fault their miserable, self-centered, lunk-headed PARENTS, who most likely never had a twit of common sense in their entire adult lives. Suddenly the REST of us are all supposed to feel sympathy, guilt, charitable - whatever - because some irresponsible people couldn't put two thoughts together and think ahead? If it were an isolated case, or few cases, it would be one thing. But it's chronic, and it's symptomatic of how witless and disposable our society has become.
No thanks.
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Jaydee408 months, 4 weeks ago
Well sainte it would seem that the French, British, and Canadians are more compassionate and manage their money better than you yanks. As M. Moore was good enough to point out even the Cubans have a better and more cost effective system than you. Why don't you admit that you think your better than others and don't want to share the doctors.
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mesodude8 months, 3 weeks ago
"Where are their parents in all of this? If you're going to have children, you had better make damn sure that at least ONE parent works at a job that provides health benefits, OR, that BOTH parents work so that they can afford to purchase proper health care for their children"
--This is an issue we can agree on somewhat. In any instances where it can be determined that people *can* afford to pay for their children's insurance (but are recklessly choosing not to do so), we need to address this. However, I have seen no evidence whatsoever that this is some sort of epidemic (as those on the right want to insist) and 10 million innocent kids shouldn't just be SOL while we try to sort issues of parental vs state responsibility.
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capecoralM8 months, 4 weeks ago
CBO Report "3. New Jersey, for example, has effectively expanded its threshold to 350 percent of the poverty level"
"A number of states have used waiver authority to expand coverage under SCHIP to adults"
2006 "671,000 Adults covered under the program"
"For example, among children whose families
had income between 200 percent and 300 percent of the
poverty level, the uninsurance rate fell from 10.5 percent
in 1996 to 9.8 percent in 2005."
"To the extent that SCHIP makes private coverage less important for some families, the program might also increase the likelihood that low-income parents take jobs that offer higher cash wages rather than health insurance. Thus, even in the majority of states where SCHIP covers only children,
the program could reduce private coverage among adults
as well as children."
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