Politics – Kristol is horrified that Ron Paul wants to question some of the past and current practices of the biggest government in the history of the world, to call us away from empire and the corporate state, and to our constitutional republican origins. And note Kristol s identification of the American nation with the central government. To be quot;anti-A
I actually used to listen to Bill Kristol on Fox News and thought he knew the deal but after hearing him attack Paul I realize he is either Ignorant or Immoral. To say Paul hates America is ridiculous. Hating the Governments policies is quite different from hating America. Bill you are either displaying your ignorance or counting on ours. You are truly clueless. GO RON PAUL.....
Unlike you, I had NEVER even heard of the guy, but there is no fox news where I live... at all.
I keep up on lots of US media, and have heard and read at least a few hours' worth of Ron Paul and what he stands for.
I did a google on Kristol, and wikipeedeeah had this as the first sentence on the the subject of Bill Kristol:
"William Kristol (born December 23, 1952 in New York City) is a Jewish American conservative pundit, analyst and strategist. He is the son of Irving Kristol, one of the founders of the neoconservative movement."
I know Ron Paul is for America, and the majority of Americans, and the US Constitution.
What exactly is Bill Kristol for? Besides the whole money scheme thing...
Bill Kristol is for Neo-Conism.
I personally believe that this craaazie perversion of traditional Republicanism is so deranged and anti-American - its demise can only be urged by every patriotic American.
All Neo-Cons hate Ron Paul because he is a throwback to the traditional Republican, a fiscal conservative, pragmatic legislator.
While I would never vote for Ron Paul - I admire his ethics and honesty. Hes a stand up guy and heads above all the other Neo-Con 'wanna-bes' currently running for presdient.
I'm no fan of Ron Paul, but he's right on some issues. Whackjob Kristol is just "far right" on all issues.
Like Paul but where you said he was "right on some issues", you are right on. Listened to Paul yesterday I was taken aback on some of his pathetic answers.
He supports pardoning the two border patrol agents but when confronted with the name of the prosecutor he was stymied and didn't know who he was, (Jonny Sutton) and Paul is from Texas. Then his answer on how to pay for all the financial misdeeds of Bush were totally lacking substance. It's to late for just eradicating foreign wars and foreign give aways, not enough money there Ron. His answers concerning our debt and corrective measures lacked total substance.
Doubts about his candidacy are valid.
Not only is Paul for saving billions on foreign policy but also on wasteful policies at home including ending the drug war which will save more billions.
mntnman - You are right there the drug war is like prohibition and prostitution. If there is a niche the public will fill it and I would rather have the government enforce rules that govern safety first rather than attempting the impossible. Still Ron is unclear about, where does the money come from to pay the debt? Eliminating the I.R.S. does solve this dilemma or a flat tax that feeds our rich.
He needs to come up with fresh ideas that actually rid ourselves of this foreign trade idea that is taking us to a third nation status, well unless you are one of the few elitist who now have their funds in overseas currency and are enjoying the benefits of the outsourcing models.
I've heard about this, so I went to the link you provided. I typed in 100,000 for an income amount, and it said that I would pay 23%. I typed in 50,000 and it said 23%, I typed in 25,000 and it said 23%
I typed in 15,000 and it said 23%, I then dropped the income level to 10,000, and it still said 23%.
Anyone who would vote for this has to have their head up their a$$. This hits those in poverty with taxation that they can't afford. EVERYONE pays 23%! Even those in the poverty level. Even the super rich! No doubt the republicans love this!
LOL you don't read well,,, everyone pays 23% on taxable things that are new,,,, you never pay taxes on used cars and houses,,,,, the poor get rebates and pay nothing,,,, there are no loop holes for the rich, and goods are cheaper because there are no taxes to pass to the consumer,,,, I know Iknow you love the idea of someone else paying most of the taxes,,, it's the liberal mantra
I saw nothing on the site you linked indicating that the "the poor get rebates and pay nothing". I used the site to compare income figures, and the above reflects what it said I would pay.
"there are no loop holes for the rich"
23% is a loop hole in itself.
It amounts to two rates: 23% on income spent, 0% on income not spent. I expect the "prebate" will disappear quickly with a little campaign like Reagan's attack on the nonexistent "welfare queens." And let's not forget that seniors living off their already taxed savings would be taxed again when they spent it.
All in all, it's the logical follow-up to Bush's tax cuts - another gift to the top 1% and a stick in the middle class' ear.
It is actually a 30% tax. The 23% rate is a complete lie to try to convince people a bad thing is a good thing.hirk our tax burden on the poor and middle class crowd.
The tax is in fact 30% on top of the retail price of the product. This is the way all sales taxes are determined:
orig p = $100
tax = 30%
final price = p * (1 plus t) = $130
same final price using sneaky method:
fp = $130
t = 23%
orig price = fp * (1-t) = $100
As you can plainly see, the orig price and final price are exactly the same, only the calculation used by the Fair Taxers is purposely confusing to make the tax seem smaller. Any pol since the beginning of time could have used this trick, but they were smart enough to know they would get caught and lose credibility.
Any group that uses this simple trick and intellectual insult as its foundation is a bunch of crooks out to rob of us more money.
mntnman, I agree, the war drugs has been a complete failure and waste of money. Our DEA and National Forrest Service employees are finding MJ plants in most of our forrest on the west coast. Our borders are still wide open for drugs to be delivered. Trucks and cars are stopped all the time on Hwy. 59, drugs are found on a regular basis.
Ron Paul has a column in our local paper and he makes more sense than most of the candidates.
I wouldn't expect Ron Paul to walk on water and make everything perfect in even due time (it's way too large of a mess for anybody to fix alone). However, I would expect him to take charge, stop the destructive directions in which we are heading, place like-minded people in power(including the SC), and lay the ground work to begin getting this country back on its feet.
How many of the other candidates could we expect to go even this far?
Holy cow! A politician just told the simple truth, and you can't handle it?
I suppose you would have preferred he just give some weasel answer, rather than admit that he didn't recognize the name of one of the hundreds of slimeballs employed by Bush Neocon Disasters, LLC?
The only 'substance' lacking is in your understanding of real economics. Paying off the Bush debts, massive as they are, is just a detail in the central problem of having a monetary system based in value, not in debt; in reality, not in fantasy.
Smite the Federal Reserve (and the rest of the world's central banks, while you are at it) with fire and brimstone, and the rest falls into place. Stop giving lipservice to 'free markets' and destroy the system of central planning controlled by the Fed, and a federal tax system of subsidies, preferences, penalties, "revenue sharing", mandates, corruption and extortion - and see what a free market REALLY is!
Obaku - I will not go into the finer details of Paul's lack of understanding involving current Americas indebtedness but I will refute the man for not knowing the details behind the conviction of the Ramos and his compatriot. He said he signed a petition regarding the matter and was not in agreement for their incarceration. WHAT? How could any elected representative say he deplores a wrong yet knows not where the wrong stems from, Johnny Sutton in his prosecution of the original case. To my lowly self, I see that as a sign of a man I would not desire representing me. He screwed up, admit it. He was totally perplexed by WHO Johnny Sutton was yet he derailed the conviction. That's smacks of outright hypocrisy to me. And no, I do not expect anyone to be perfect but Paul has shown a lack of knowledge and I would not want another Bush to rule over me.
The border patrol agents got caught up in the very drug laws that Paul opposes.The standard punishment for what they did,not reporting a shooting incident,calls for an administrative warning.The agents recieved a long prison sentence for using a firearm during the commission of a drug crime which calls for enhanced penalties.
If Paul's idea of ending the drug war were reality,there would be no smugglers for the agents to be shooting at in the first place.
Can't argue that point since we are agreement on the legality of drugs. Always amazes me though that the politicians use the services of Madams while passing laws on the oldest profession. Same with drugs, as I said Prohibition applies and is the sanest analogy one could use.
Not against Paul but while I'm posting I hope and desire the word gets back to him, run for office but be in tune with events.
Evangelicals are the chosen with all the answers god ascribes to, not.
I agree with MisterX...it's all about direction.The dem/rep congress which doesn't seem to know the first thing about the constitution would have to get bills past a president who bases every one of his actions on the constitution.I don't think Paul could totally implement many of his ideas but at least we would be headed towards the constitution instead of away from it.
Give Kristol a helmet and a gun and lower him into Tehran with pictures of President Bush having sex with Mohammed!
Kristol is not only a jerk, but a coward to boot!
Never served a day in the armed forces, never held any elected office and never was worth anything in real life except feeding off think tanks.
He is one of the creeps in PNAC, and I would not rule out that he is a clandestine operative for Mossad!
Before he opens his mouth or puts ink on pare, or hits the keys of the keyboard, he should do something to establish his credentials. He has none, as far as I can tell.
There are a lot of Kristols out there. We need to make a clean sweep and get rid of these crawlers.
I'm impressed by Kristol's revisionist history. "There's no evidence anywhere that that would have worked..." Uh, hello, slavery was practiced almost universally in the Carribean, and was nearly completely gone by 1860. And claiming that Paul said that Lincoln was wrong is putting words in Paul's mouth...the truth is that Lincoln sought a peaceful solution to the slavery problem, and that Fort Sumter put an end to that.
They deserve each other. Paul is Kristol's Frankenstein and a creation of the type of politics that Kristol practices. I'm going to laugh when the Republican party fissures because of Ron Paul. They wanted religion in politics, well now they got it.
Paul is against a woman's right to choose what to do with her body. Some Libertarian.
No, he is against the federal government's usurpation of everyone's right to choose for themselves.
Ask yourself just this one question: Why should the federal government even have an opinion about abortion, much less impose that opinion on everyone in the United States? Why doesn't the federal government want individuals to have different opinions, and make different choices?
I see it as a civil rights issue. Should each state be allowed to decide issues of race or gender discrimination? Should one state be able to make it impossible for a woman to do what her doctor and herself decide is best?
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I personally believe that people own their own bodies under the constitution and state laws can be ruled unconstitutional by the supreme court.But I believe that local govt should be the primary body to make laws for the community,citizens can much more easily make changes by running for local office or, if they choose,move to a more tolerant state.All Paul has suggested is to leave it up to the states,which is true to his adherence to the constitution.
Ron Paul was asked for his opinion on several occasions, and he gave it. Being an American citizen, he is still (to date) entitled to his opinion, as is each and every one of us. On the other hand, he explicitly explained that it wasn't his stance to turn his personal opinions into the laws of the land and push them onto the citizens of his nation. That splits Dr. Paul away from the rest of the candidates, Democrat, and Republican.
"Your right to strike me ends at the tip of my nose."
I don't know, I'd think that someone in office that puts pork in a bill for his district then votes against the bill saying it's unconstitutional is a bit crackpot-ish if not more than a bit disingenuous wouldn't you.
Someone that thinks if we pull our military in from around the world that those that hate us and want to shed our blood, will then say all is forgiven and stop their plans is a bit cracked, don't you?
Slate your first paragraph about spending pork for your district while abusing those that do does smack of hypocrisy concerning Paul. His excuse, he did not vote for the port even though he introduced it. But his reasoning, others do it for their constituents so why shouldn't he.
Typical lowlife politicians excuse, run the country down since my compatriots also. Sounds to my like a Neo Con using the Clinton excuse to pardon Bush's action.
Now for your second part, we are intruders, belligerents in the world with a policeman of the world mentality thinking we Americans are more pious. Who the hell gave us the bully pulpit to extort our ambitions on nations. Paul is right, stay the hell out of nations and stop meddling. Hatred for America comes from the conservatives ignorant pious opinions of others so to Paul you are correct. If he could remove us from this pious attitude I would vote for him. We Americans are not the righteous of the world.
Nelson,, which party set up camp in Germany and around Japan and still there? I'd think if you know history it was liberals,,,,, which party was in control from the 40s through the 60s and started Vietnam? Liberals,,,,, you are being dishonest trying to lay the blame only on conservatives wouldn't you say?
It tool a Repblican to get us out of Vietnam
Carter seems to have really started the pi ssedoff Midle East with his actions in Iran,,,,
Sure the Repubs too are guilty,,, that I can agree but trying to overllok the Dems in the problems we have now is more than silly
You are a bit off on you facts. First of all, we got into Nam by a treaty signed by Ike! Second, the troubles in Iran started with the US ignoring the political tyranny of the Shah, and repeatedly allowing him one favor after another. After all, Iran borders Russia, what a place for missile sites! The Shah had been in power many years before Carter.
The camps set up in Germany and Japan were not meddling. This was during and immediately following a war caused by a direct attack on the US by an established nation, which resulted in WW2. Hardly the same as stealing the oil from the Iraqis at the cost of thousands of innocent lives.
Show me the oil we stole please,,,, Clinton had his little unprovoked attack against Iraq for political capitol,,, yet you hold him at a much lower standard,,,, it never is the same when one of yours does it at least that's what you always come down to,,,
AS far as the Sha,,,, what presidents allowed that again? Only Repubs or both? Afterall JFK had missles didn't he in fact he had a few run ins with Cuba and Russia which didn't go well,,,, and in the end he and his esteemed vice got the vietnam war into a full blown war with 50,000 dead troops and a few million dead innocents,,,,, but hey they were dems
"Show me the oil we stole please"
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/western-c...
As you requested!
Now tell me. Is the profit to be made from this oil worth the lives of 4000 American boys? Is it worth all the mental and physical anguish that will be suffered for the next 40 years, by both the troops as well as their families? Anguish caused to those who have been dis-membered, or severely handicapped due to this senseless greed?
It would be different if it were for a just cause.
"AS far as the Sha,,,, what presidents allowed that again? Only Repubs or both?"
No administration made an effort to end his tyranny. Why do you keep asking me this $hit? Don't you know any history at all?
What does JFK have to do with the missles on the border or Russia,
You ramble on to the point that no one knows what you're talking about! But I guess that's common when you can't come up with any facts.
It would be different if it were for a just cause
One man's just cause is anothers evil enterprize,,,,
I know history quite well,,,, I was making the point that was orginally posed that only Repubs cause war and has nukes which is historically untrue,,, live with the fact that Dems are no better than the Repubs,,,, every war since the beggining of man has made porfits,,,, From RFK, to JFK to both Bushs and Bill Clinton's little war,, if you beleive otherwise you are mistaken
"AS far as the Sha,,,, what presidents allowed that again? Only Repubs or both?"
No administration made an effort to end his tyranny
Exactly my point,,, quit blaiming only one side for the state of the planet,,, we are here because history has led us here by many events,, the last 7 years is just a continuation
"I was making the point that was orginally posed that only Repubs cause war"
I'm not saying that only the GOP causes war. I'm not opposed to war when it is necessary. I AM OPPOSED TO WAR AS A TOOL TO MAKE MONEY FOR CORPORATE AMERICA!
"quit blaiming only one side for the state of the planet,,"
Practice what you preach!
I'm betting you're in your 20's. You don't put enough value on human life to be an adult.
Throw down your money Ada I'll take that bet,,, then I'd like to see you step off your high horse about human life, I'd bet you'd be more than willing to have others die if you feel the cause is just,,,,, were the lives during the Revolution, Cicil war, WWII, WWI Korea Nam, Bosina and Desert Storm not valuable? What about the millions of babies that have been aborted, what value do those lives hold for you?
Did someone say that the lives lost in these wars were not valuable? Or are you just trying to change the subject?
Last of all, exactly what does abortion have to do with Iraq?
You argue like a sophomore in high school!
"I know history quite well,"
Don't make me laugh! If you know history so well, why do you keep misquoting it?
(Kennedy got us into Nam)
(Carter caused the problems in Iran)
(blah, blah, blah, blah.....)
Try stating facts. It gives you more credibility!
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Kristol is the nut job.