Politics – The CIA official who gave the command to destroy interrogation videotapes apparently acted against the direction of his superiors, the top Republican House Intelligence Committee member said Wednesday.
I think the death penalty would be too kind of a punishment for this scum. These kind of Neo-con bums are going to ruin the United States.
The history of the CIA is the history of horror and cruelty through out the world.
They are the henchman for our corporately controlled government.
"the death penalty"
You must be crazy. What was his great "crime"? Totally blown out of proportion.
"What was his great "crime""
Ordering the destruction of evidence of crimes against humanity, protecting a bunch of low life criminals going right up to the Whitehouse. His actions make him just as guilty as those ordering and committing the crime.
"crimes against humanity"
Are you serious? Waterboarding are crimes against humanity? Dude you'd better take a long look around before you make that statement.
Sorry for the positive vote, hit the wrong button. Water boarding is a crime in the US as well as according to the UDHR which the US helped draw and sign. Elonore Roosevelt chaired the comity which drew it up so I guarantee you the US government knows it and that they broke the law. Americans have been charged and found guilty of it under American law so it's on the books and both Germen and Japanese soldiers were convicted of it after ww2, so it's on record as being a war crime. Do you need with the big words or what?
"Do you need with the big words or what?"
Not sure what you meant by this but seems you've been hanging with Daylight to much.
You've been proven wrong so many times that until I see an example I'll assume your spewing nonsense, AGAIN.
People have chosen not to believe me but thats a far step from being proven wrong. My comment referred to you not understanding laws already written, most people can simply read them and them know whats against the law.
I just read UDHR. Absolutely no reference to water boarding. None. Zip. Nada.
"Article 5
No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment."
Now as the above states torture and numerous people have been convicted under this and American law for using water boarding and other water torture methods. I really do think you need help reading, I have a 10 year old niece who could help you if you like.
crghss ~
Maybe you don't remember, but "I was just following orders",
didn't cut it with the global community when the Germans
said it. That was when the United States was still proud to
be part of a global community that found torture abhorent.
My, how times change!
Your comparing waterboarding to the Holocaust? A little bit different don't you think? How many people died from the water boarding? How many died from the Holocaust?
crghss ~
As I recall, the Holocaust involved extermination AND
lots and lots of torture too - you know like filth and
starvation and stress-positions and beatings and forced
separation of parents and children and so much more.
The SS was fascinated with hypothermia too - and not
every victim died - but that counts too doesn't it?
Even if you took away the crematoriums and the gas chambers
- I don't think there was anything to reccommend about life
in the camps. Quality of life matters - treatment of human
beings matters - doesn't it?
P.S. Once again, you ONLY reference waterboarding!
We are using all manner of torture.
"We are using all manner of torture."
I haven't seen this. Care to show me?
Here is two for starters. It took 15 seconds to find, load and bring them to this sight. I Googled US torture.
His career is pretty much over. What reward? He only has retirement left.
I think the reward is possibly pointing to any career choices after taking the fall. Will there be more opportunity and compensation rewarding loyalty? That is considering an assumption that the citizens of this country are not getting the full story. There is some precedence for such things.
The joke in all this, if you are trying not to cry, is that we have somehow elected or let the elected appoint the worse of American from top to bottom into every power position of our government even the Supreme Courts. It will take an entire generation to recover from what they have done.
We would have been better off opening up a prison and letting the inmates run the country.
My god they are the worse of what we have to offer. And the Media they should all be suspended from practicing their work. The last good News man was Anderson Cooper and they found a way to keep his mouth shut. We are in soo much trouble as a nation i hope god keep smiling on us!
FTA:
...both of whom are known to have undergone waterboarding, which gives the subject the sensation of drowning.
I am so very sick and tired of waterboarding being the
only mention ANYWHERE to our methods of torture!
"WATER-boarding", I mean it just sounds kind of hygienic!
You've got "experts" stating that it's not torture,
it's just psychological - "There's no permanent damage".
If the American public were exposed to more of the actual
methods described, would they get it? Beatings? Freezing -
induced hypothermia, ankles chained to the front legs of
a chair while the spine is extended over the back and
your wrists are chained to the back legs for HOURS?
How about Binyam Mohammed al-Habashi, and the alleged
scalpel cuts to the chest and genitals. Do you think
it might have left scars? Actual evidence of his treatment
will never be seen because the USA cannot afford to let
him out of Guantanamo to substantiate his claims.
"the alleged"
Enough said.
crghss ~
Don't be silly........everything is ALLEGED!
Has our government filed charges to proved the
GUILT? You have to substantiate charges in the justice system - well,you are supposed to. With less blind acceptance and more attention being given to Bush's decisions, it is entirely possible that the justice system might not play ball.
Bush can't afford to let these ALLEGATIONS proceed to a
normal trial where the accused could site the methods used to extract names, plots, confessions - I don't believe that is allowed in a Military Tribunal in their new form.
You're right of center - Yes? Well, I thought you were the guys who liked to say, "If you haven't done anything wrong
then why worry?" If they have not done anything wrong then
why is it imperative that so much be secret,secret,secret???
Oh - and don't forget our own Guantanamo guard who was
conned into acting as a prisoner for a training exercise
without notification to the other guards. They beat him
so badly that he will now and forever have the "sensation"
of brain damage! Oh yeah - we're not doing anything
that needs to be secret!
And don't forget Rumsfeld and his attempt to belittle the
stress-positions criticizm, "sometimes I have to stand for 8
hours". Guess what? If he had been beaten like Mr. Dilawar
at Bagram (See "Taxi To The Darkside") it would have been
all he could do. After four days of beatings, our guys
couldn't even force his legs to bend - they were that
swollen.......and then he died. As our own military
examiner said, "pulpified".
Get this stuff out in the open, admit it - and never
ever let us carry out these policies again!
'Tapes destroyed over CIA's objections'
What Secret documents did Sandy Berger Destroy for BJ Bill and Swift Boat hillary clinton??
Obama is very Refreshing...
The clinton's are very decptive liars...
"What Secret documents did Sandy Berger Destroy for BJ Bill and Swift Boat hillary clinton?"
OK Here we go again. Using a previous act to justify another. What proof if there of anything being destroyed?
Isn't Swift Boat a republican tactic used on Kerry??
"The clinton's are very decptive liars..."
ROFLMAO And the Bush administration isn't?? When are we going to start holding our highest elected officials responsible for their actions??
crghss ~
Okay - I knew it was an overstatement when I typed it - I
should have known that you would notice! But, please -
won't testify without immunity? Where does refusing to
testify before Congress fit in your estimation of a person's
character? When do the above-board, straight-forward people
show up to account to us? After they have received plenty
of coverage for their sorry *sses? We, the people of the
United States deserve more than what ever scraps the OVP
and the President finally decide to throw us.
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Well Mr. Rodriguez, you have a tough choice here: You can take the fall and be rewarded later, or you can refuse to play and cut your career short.
"Now, I ask you: Deal, or no deal?"
I don't know but to me this is the REPUGS excuse for everything, if these agencies cant keep their own in line should we worry about them keeping others in line. This is a flat out lie and i am sick and tired of the right doing this. We need to rid ourselves of them!