Politics – "Meet me in Ohio," Clinton snapped at Obama on Saturday over his mailings that hit her on NAFTA and health care. "Let's have a debate about your tactics and your behavior in this campaign." And here we are.
FTA:
"Heading out of last week's debate and into the final week of campaigning before the March 4 primaries in Ohio and Texas, which have become must-wins for Hillary Clinton, the New York senator has taken to mocking her Democratic rival's oratory.
"Let's just get everybody together. Let's get unified, the sky will open, the light will come down, celestial choirs will be singing and everyone will know that the world is perfect," Clinton said in Rhode Island Sunday, belittling Obama's soaring oratory."
Here's the video:
for the first time she actually makes sense
Hillary did very well.
She did very well. It's all how you look at it, opened or closed minded
I am open minded are you realistic. If you go by the pundits all of them even the ones for Hill, they see it as a draw. She needed a knockout and she got in a few body shots, he didn't hurt himself, he was like tiger on the back 9 with a lead, he didn't do anything stupid and I am sure that was what they were going for. I did like the ditch analogy.
Bill Bennett had a Democrat expert on campaign management on a couple of weeks age. What that man said is when the real differences between candidates stances are very minimal then the charisma factor takes over.
This is Clinton's problem. What they both stand for is almost the identical. Obama's a bit to the left of her but not enough to matter in most cases. The real difference is the war in Iraq and she can't raise that to the Democrat base.
This leave the charisma factor that she can't overcome. If she can't raise something for people to grasp onto as a difference she will lose.
I still wouldn't count the Clinton's out until the last bell has rung.
I've always felt the same way, but they have certainly been clumsy in this effort and I wonder if we have overrated their abilities to plan.
They have many enemies who were afraid to cross them, but now they are building confidence that Obama can stop 'em.
Hillary's campaign organization is making Kerry 2004 look good.
If she can't run a campaign against an upstart like Obama, why does anyone think that she can run this country?
Add the 2007 campaign to the health care fiasco of 1993 to the resume of Hillary the crack executive.
Calling Obama's campaign an "upstart" is taking away for the obvious great organization skills that his campaign has shown. 2 weeks ago when he gave his 45 minute speech in Texas he had hundreds in place ready to get his message out. This has been the process all along. He may be a freshman Senator, but he has one darn good organized Presidential campaign.
On the other hand, Hilliary did not plan for a campaign where she lagged behind. She never expected to be so far behind. Other-words her campaign did not plan much past the first super Tuesday. She grossly under estimated her competitors. Much the same as Rudy did. LOL.
http://politics.propeller.com/story/2008/02/26/...
No slight of Obama was intended by me. But Hillary had an enormous edge over her rivals going into the primaries and came up short. As you point out, underestimating Obama and having no strategy post Super Tuesday came back to bite her in her ample tush.
I agree Clinton has to perform perfectly and with great oratorical skills to win. She has slipped badly very quickly here in Ohio. Can she still win Ohio. Maybe with a big ? mark but I would seriously doubt she can win Ohio,pennsylvania and texas on march 5Th.IMO that is a must.
If she doesn't win all 3 she's dead.And like I said on another post, she's been REAL nasty in Ohio that most nationwide people haven't seen.
I do not think there is anyway she can pull it off. I am looking forward to the debate to watch how a true gentlemen will handle her. And he will pull it off. I have no doubt. He really is an amazing speaker and he reveals how a true Christian treats people. That's hard to do in politics. He has really impressed me.
If I were not so afraid of big government and socialized healthcare, I would vote for him. I just don't want the US to starts looking like Europe. He is a fine Christian man though! No doubt.
She got ugly early...and got uglier...and her attacks are straight outta Roves playbook...her "Integrity" is nonexistent...and she sold her honor to the lobbyists...
Add that to the fact she won't bake cookies and you got a wiener on your hands...
Just remember, as important as Ohio is in any election, so too is Texas. The two of them are virtually tied in Texas, which is essential to both their campaigns. Having said that, I think both candidates fear an uprising from both Michigan and Florida, both of which will demand that their delegates be seated at the convention. Add those 336 delegates to her totals, and the map looks quite different from the one portrayed in the media.
Also consider, Pennsylvania with Governor Ed Rendell is still backing Senator Clinton. She needs all three to pull back into a somewhat more secure lead. I am not sure Barack has proven much by winning in Idaho, North Dakota or Utah. If he had convincingly won say, California, I might be thinking differently.
Well y'all know that I can"t stand Clinton but she has a lot more brains, ideas, common sense than Obama. Now that's not saying a hel& of a lot but true.
Think there'll be fireworks tonight? Or will she be "ABSOLUTELY honored" to have him by her side again? Which Hillary will it be? Honored Hillary? Or Heavyweight Hillary?
Well they last ones were. " How to Kiss as& and Not look like a Brown Nose Idiot" Is Old Wolf's Blister going to be there You can almost bet on it.
I've already seen the list of planted questions that will be asked. It's one of the perks of being me. Several on the list will surprise you all but the best one of all at highlighting how great Hillary is will be this one asked of her by Wolf Blitzer:
"Is Barack Obama truly a magic negro or is he really just a muslim in disguise?"
Don't look for any fireworks. Don't think B.Hussien Obama will step in any of Hillary's traps.
She may have been the better of the two in political knowledge but she is too far behind in personality. Hillary goes down tonight but she won't let it be in flames. It will be gracefull. She knows this is her last stand but I don't see her making herself 'look' too bad. Afterall, I expect her to stay in it to the end.
"I can"t stand Clinton but she has a lot more brains, ideas, common sense than Obama."
A lot of people "misunderestimate" Obama for a variety of reasons. Big mistake. Just ask W's enemies.
Obama is where he is now because he knows what he's doing, and Hillary is where she is now because she doesn't.
I keep saying the same thing, Stephen. It's obvious to me and I don't get why some people don't see it! Or are they just determined not to give Obama the credit he is due?
I don't know why either. From the day he entered the race I've considered him a significant opponent for Hillary.
I thought of him as a future presidential candidate back in 2004 when he gave his speech at the Democratic Convention. I knew he would be a rising star. I still think he needs another four years to grow and "ripen".
I thought the same thing when he won his Senate seat but I'm willing to accept him as a candidate now. The thing that makes a President is more then experience and I do believe that Obama has that quality, as elusive as it may seem at times. I thought Romney had the same thing and its a shame he's gone. McCain just strikes me as an old kook.
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"Tonight's debate, which takes place here at Cleveland State University, is the final debate until the pivotal March 4 contests in Ohio and Texas. And it could - depending on what happens - be the final debate of the Democratic race. It lasts from 9:00 pm ET to 10:30 pm ET, and it's moderated by NBC's Brian Williams, along with NBC's Tim Russert. One other thing: It is snowing here, and the local NBC affiliate forecasts up to eight inches of snow by this afternoon."
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/02/...
THE MAJORITY OF THOSE POSTING ON THESE PAGES ARE EITHER VERY YOUNG OR VERY POORLY EDUCATED, OR VERY POOR THINKERS!!
ANYONE WHO WOULD BE NAIVE ENOUGH TO THINK THAT OBAMA IS A REAL CANDIDATE OBVIOUSLY KNOWS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, I SAY AGAIN, NOTHING ABOUT AMERICAN POLITICS!!!
OBAMA IS WINNING BECAUSE THE MEDIA WANTS HIM TO AND THOSE OF YOU WHO SUPPORT HIM HAVE FALLEN FOR IT!!!
OBAMA'S TIME IS TICKING, AS SOON AS HE BEATS CLINTON(IF) THEN THE MEDIA WILL FIRE A PHASER AT HIM, AND HE'LL PROMPTLY DISSAPEAR BACK INTO THE NOTHINGNESS FROM WHICH HE CAME.
BUT BY THEN THE DAMAGE WILL BE DONE, AND THE YOUNG WILL PAY A TERRIBLE PRICE: THEY WILL BE DRAFTED AND SENT TO IRAN AND TO IRAQ AND SYRIA IN WHAT PROMISES TO BE A WAR ON THE LEVEL OF THE KOREAN WAR OR VIETNAM, OR WORSE!!! A FITTING PUNISHMENT FOR THE NAIVE WHO THOUGHT TOO MUCH OF THEMSELVES AND WHO LISTENED LITTLE TO THOSE WHO KNEW MUCH BETTER!!!
I disagree. I believe because of the last 8 years people have become very educated in American politics. The media is only promoting Obama because the American people have taken an intrest in their government and are expressing it by voting in record numbers.
perhaps you could take the opportunity to teach those that are poorly educated. Why will they be sent to Iran, Syria etc? is Obama sudenly a war monger?
WEREWOLF:
"THE MAJORITY OF THOSE POSTING ON THESE PAGES ARE EITHER VERY YOUNG OR VERY POORLY EDUCATED, OR VERY POOR THINKERS"
Actually, more educated Democrats tend to support Obama, not Hillary.
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/behind-the-numbe...
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/column...
"Mrs Clinton's support comes heavily from the traditional Democratic voting groups - the working class, less educated"
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/oba...
"In one recent national poll, Obama won college-educated voters by more than 20 percentage points. And in Connecticut, where Obama won by a small margin, he dominated among those with college degrees, beating Clinton by 17 points."
WEREWOLF:
"ANYONE WHO WOULD BE NAIVE ENOUGH TO THINK THAT OBAMA IS A REAL CANDIDATE OBVIOUSLY KNOWS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING"
Again, you make another allegation unsupported by evidence. The truth:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/chi...
"For a speaker who is best known for his lofty and airy rhetoric, it's an ironic reality that Obama's public appearances very often turn into drawn-out dissertations. In fact, read side-by-side with the other candidates' current stump speeches, the Obama script makes at least as many references to policy proposals as do theirs. Obama's stump speeches have been heavy with specifics."
I belong to the blank generation, and I can take or leave it anytime.
You old hippies really ****** me off!!!
Your smelly revolution fizzled out into nothing, and now you "baby boomers" are conservative suburbanites.
Keep your mouths shut from now on. We don't need any help directing our revolution, and you all are not to be trusted.
THE BEST POSSIBLE OUTCOME WOULD BE A DUBIOUS REPUBLICAN VICTORY. THAT WOULD BE THE MATCH TO LIGHT THE EXPLOSION.
My generation may yet save you old farts, but Obama has little to do with it. Obama is a counter-revolutionary, sent to prevent a serious protest or violent revolution in the next two years - years in which there will be a terrible recession.
Generation X coudn't care less for electoral politics.
That's not true; I'm on the tail end of Generation X and I care GREATLY for electoral politics.
WEREWOLF:
"OBAMA'S TIME IS TICKING, AS SOON AS HE BEATS CLINTON(IF) THEN THE MEDIA WILL FIRE A PHASER AT HIM"
A "phaser"? LOL. I think you had better look up what that word means before misusing it. Maybe YOU are the one who needs to be better educated.
The truth is that neocons such as yourself are afraid of running against Obama because he is a stronger candidate in the general election than Hillary is.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/pr...
"In the past two weeks, seven different organizations have polled the races and on average Obama beats McCain by 3.7%, while Clinton loses to the Arizona senator by 1.9%. Not a single polls has Clinton doing as well as Obama."