Politics – Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton threw up a roadblock on Sen. Barack Obama's path to the Democratic presidential nomination by winning the giant Ohio and Texas primaries, NBC News projected Wednesday morning.
Not a suprise, Ohio mabey....everyone knew the rednecks in Texas were not going to vote for Obama. This is why he could have a hard time becoming the president. I think a lot of the Hillbillys in the country will support McCaine even of they dont agree with his policies just to Keep Obama out. Id the trepublicans win again heaven help us because we will Deserve another 8 years of pain and shame.
Kinda sour grapes, I take it...
I would have been much more surprised if Ohio would have voted for Obama, as the demos there are something like 82.5% white, as opposed to Texas having more than 35% "minorities", meaning hispanics and african-descended people, which was reflected a bit in the gap of voting.
I've got to wonder about this: "I think a lot of the Hillbillys in the country will support McCaine even of they dont agree with his policies just to Keep Obama out."
Is Obama going to accept, or even be offered, the vice-presidency?
Don't worry, the chances of another republican administratio any time soon are better than none, but not more than slim, by any means.
Guess we have to look forward to another month or two of words being exchanged between Hillary and Barack. But at least they'll be in the news, keeping their views out there.
In the meantime, McCain will be gone from the media for a while, no doubt planning his strategy.
But I do hope he comes out once and a while and reminds us that we'll be in Iraq for the next 100 years, and that the economy is not his strong suit.
I am worried about the talk that the GOPers are telling their people to vote for her! This is the thing that worries me, what if her win is empty?
the GOP want her to win. They can win against Obama but they can against her. America needs change and Hillary offer America nothing but the same old,same old. She is for the status quo and she exudes this air of "entitlement" she really turns a lot of people off. The Israel lobby loves her though.
Actually, you are wrong.
The GOP would love to go up against Obama. Can you imagine the field-day Rove will have (and he WILL involve himself in the main campaign) with Obama's "present votes", or his dealings with Rezko, or his lack of experience in public life?
What can the GOP do to Clinton that it hasn't already done? It gets better for her from this point - then again, it could hardly have gotten worse ;-)
Obama beats McCain in the most recent National polls by up to 12 points, Hillary beats him by 6...polls aside, Obama is the stronger candidate by far, the biggest reason is this:
The ONLY way Hillary can be the nominee is that Super delegates will put her over the top...or (2) She will have Michigan seated...a primary where she was the only candidate besides Dennis Kucinich on the ballot...she beat nobody by 15 points. Now if that happens it is my belief that it will at least effect SOME of the turnout. I'm not saying it will destroy the party if she wins by super delegates or seating Michigan and Florida but it most likely will lower turnout and turnout is the key to Dem victories. There are many other reasons why he is a stronger opponent, but I think this has become an important factor when the Party figures out who to select, because it wont matter that he'll have more votes and more pledged delegates than her, apparently the process isn't very Democratic at all.
Now of course Hillary will be able to say " I won the big states" and He only wins states that don't matter, they don't matter according to the Clinton campaign that is. But she's gonna trow some mud and get dirty and maybe get those delegates seated in Florida and Michigan, one a state nobody campaigned in the other a state that had Hillary, Kucinich, and Uncommited. At the end they will try to make a case that the votes and delegates and states don't matter and that she is the stronger candidate for winning states that Obama is going to win vs. McCain anyway. Should be interesting. I would just prefer if she didn't create anymore McCain ads in her criticizing Obama and hopefully she doesnt tear down the party.
I've heard to many people say they won't vote for her if she "takes" it...both Dems and reps. I know people who voted for Bush at least 1 term and are for Obama, but they say if hillary is nominated they will vote McCain. Now thankfully I am in NJ a non-contested state, but they can't be alone, I'm sure it will matter in many states. And now with Nader in some...not many mind you...but some dems may even say "you know what Hillary, Im tired of you, Im tired of your husband's race baiting and your negative tactics..." and they vote Nader. I'm starting to question myself wether I can vote for her, and I used to think dems or progressives were crazy if they weren't going to vote for whomever the nominee was, in attempts to stop the unthinkable, a McCain presidency, now I'm wondering, but again I live in NJ, an uncontested state.
So tell me, what happens if she loses the pledged delegates but wins the popular vote (yes, it is a distinct possibility)? What, then is the anti-HRC argument? Unless the DNC wants to invite unkind comparisons to 2000, the superdelegates will either have to go for her or state clearly and convincingly why they aren't.
If Obama wins the delegate vote, then he wins the nomination. That's why the rules are there. HRC is not above the rules. If the DNC doesn't follow it's own policy and rule-making, then people will leave the party in droves. Why should they make a runaround the rules for HRC?
obie...no one is going to win the delegate count, that's the point, you need 2025...forget about the super delegates for a minute....now...because they both have won so many mathematically noone will reach 2025...so technically Hillary can say no one has the needed delegates and thus the super delegates cast the deciding votes. Depending on the popular vote and the final "pledged" delegate count will create the momentum to push these people either his way or her way...but here's the point...these primaries NO LONGER MATTER...forget about revotes and pennsylvania, she can win them all doesn't matter the math is already set. She cant catch him in pledged, she could possibly catch him in the popular vote, she actually leads by 20K if you count Florida and Michigan which I dont count Michigan since Obama wasnt on the ballot. So it's going till the end and she will continue to endorse McCain in her anti Obama comments.
Ok that last sentence was a little anti Hillary..lol...here's another fun fact you can look up...
it seems that both Hillary and McCain have many of the same top donors giving them money and there are ties between Mark Penn and Charles Black that seem rather odd, dealing with the Lobbying and PR firms they work for and represent.
I like being able to say my candidate doesn't take Lobby or PAC money.
Either way they both wont be at 2025 delegates...no matter what... even if they re-vote in florida and michigan and she wins both states. I wasn't making any "anti HRC" argument I was simply stating opinion, not everything is "pro" or "anti". Now she wont win the popular vote unless you count michigan where she was the only one on the ballot besides kucinich. Now if that happens I think she has a more convincing argument, but in the end super delegates are going to be used because they are needed to give one of these two the needed 2025. now I think Hillary only has a 30-50 super delegate lead with roughly 300 /- undeclared, I guess those undeclared are going to feel the moment when it comes..if she has more votes or not. But chances are Obama will have more votes and delegates, and she can only win with super delegates and the Clinton camp will say its the people's and the party's will, and boom done.
Ok, Your demographics info speaks for itself.
Regardless of who voted for whom, please note one thing: Blacks are ONLY 12% in Texas and they ALL came out voting for obama, so that is the end of it... whites who go ga-ga for obama ALSO came out to vote. BUT, ONLY 26% of Texas eligible voters voted yesterday, so WHO do you think the remaining Texas voters will vote for in November?!
Also, do not count that much on Hispanic votes for obama... McCain has a solid record on immigration and he may very well appeal to their conservative values... DFINITELY when compared to the MOST LIBERAL senator.
And if this does not scare you enough, please also note that many of the southern states replicate Texas... do not, for a moment believe that in November Mississippi will vote for obama. You would underestimate grossly the rural white population in MS. (By the way, I lived in MS for 3 years and in Texas for 12 )
And, of course, there is the "Oprah Demographic" - the folks who let Oprah pick their books and their presidents.
Oprah appeals to liberal women in general, regardless of race, her influence will be divided throughout the primary season, but will be of little consequence in the general election. Conservative women don't generally watch Oprah and if they do are not influenced by her politics.
Yes, my demographics DO speak for themselves.
And if you did live in Mississippi, or Texas... we won't hold it against you, everyone's from somewhere, and they usually have a good reason for leaving.
I have no doubt that dems will roost in the white house in 2009.
If you think different, you can play the odds and BET MONEY on the winner. If the republicans win, you can make a lot, if you bet on them.
"Don't worry, the chances of another republican administratio any time soon are better than none, but not more than slim, by any means."
If Obama is the nominee, McCain wins Ohio AND Pennsylvania and the election. If Hillary is the nominee, then it's close.
If Obama is the nominee, consider the case of California.
California margin 2004: 54-46 Dem/other.
Fact 1. Schwarzenegger is a highly popular governor, able to reach out to those who normally vote Democrat.
Fact 2. The Governator has endorsed McCain already (before Super Tuesday).
Fact 3. In 2006 (a disaster year for the GOP), Arnie secured re-election, with a seing towards him.
Fact 4. Nader will once again split the Dem vote.
Fact 5. Clinton won California convincingly vs Obama (52-43%).
Inference: California could (possibly) desert the Democrats this election (facts 1-4).
Conclusion: Clinton is the safe bet for Democrat retention of California.
Disclaimer: Obama would probably win California in November as well - just not quite as certain.
EL PASO, Texas - Texas has become the fourth state to have a non-white majority population, the U.S. Census Bureau said Thursday, a trend driven by a surging number of Hispanics moving to the state.
According to the population estimates based on the 2000 Census, about 50.2 percent of Texans are now minorities. In the 2000 Census, minorities made up about 47 percent of the population in the second-largest state.
Actually, the "hillbilly" vote is a Clinton core constituency. I'll ignore the bigoted nature of the term.
And Ill ignore your name!
Heh heh heh.
Acktually, Im just kiddin!
I love your name! It really expresses the essence of our right wing debatin style.
Its liek this:
"We dont wanna debate! Our ideology is so morally vacant, we look too repulsive when we debate. Weare just here to DROP KICK A LIB".
Thank Droppy! I laugh ever time I see your name!!
The rednecks in Texas voted for Hillary. It was a GOP strategy to keep her in the race. I know because I voted in Texas and am a registered dem but was asked if I wanted to vote Repub or Dem.
The news here in Texas reported that 15% of voters that normally vote republican voted for Hillary.
The whole notion of Hillary winning white males is a farce. Those were republican white men voting for her because they fear an obama candidate.
The caucuses in my area were more representative--10 for Obama, 4 for Hillary.
obie, While you're probably right that some of the crossover votes were Republican sympathizers attempting to throw the state to Hillary, I wonder if a portion of them may be conservative independents that have become disgusted with the Republicans.
outsidethebeltway.com Found 3 hours ago
Tom Ott, Michael Scott, Joe Wagner & Maggi Martin of the Cleveland Plain Dealer : Poll watchers throughout Ohio are noting large numbers of Republican voters crossing over to vote in the Democratic Primary between Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton. In the Republican roost of Chagrin Falls, veteran poll worker Liz McFadden was amazed at the number of people jumping the party's ship.
salon.glenrose.net Found 7 hours ago
I'm pretty disturbed by all the local accounts around here about Republicans showing up to the polls and voting in the Democratic primary. Apparently for Clinton, in order to keep the Dems in disarray longer compared to Old Man McCain. I don't have a problem with Republicans or Independents coming to vote on an honest level, that they might really have distaste for McCain, as my Republican mother does. But it not only makes the Republicans who are doing this for smarmy Rush Limbaugh very dishonest, but it calls into question the vote count itself as far as Dems are concerned.
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still is everyone's race...a true 'never-say-die' Clinton Spirit
As Ive said before, I believe all us Christian Conservatives should vote fer HIllary.
My fellow Conservatives! Consider what a hIllary presdiency will do for our Right Wing Media Operatives!!
Rush Limbaugh became a mega-star durin Billy Boye Clintons 8 years! Right Wing Media came into its own durin them heady days.
I still get a tear in my eye when I think about how good them Clinton days were for Right Wing Media.
Besides! What have we to lose?!
We CAINT vote for McCain. He has worked WITH Democracts to effectuate legislation!! Why, hes even worked with TEDDY KENNEDY!!!
As Christian Conservatives, workin with Teddy Kennedy or ANY Democrat goes against our ideeologie and our religion of partisanship!
So, callin all Conservatives! Stand up for INTOLERANCE!! Stand up for LOUD, OBNOXIOUS, HIGHTLY PARTISAN RIGHT WING MEDIA! VOTE FOR HILLARY!!
After all, if she wins, we ken always obstruct and impeach!
How do you spell treason again? You know the kind where the one betrayed is your very own country...
I'm sure YOU know.
Against my better judgment:
"My fellow Conservatives! Consider what a hIllary presdiency will do for our Right Wing Media Operatives!!"
Commentators, as opposed to leftwing operatives, aka news reporters.
"We CAINT vote for McCain. He has worked WITH Democracts to effectuate legislation!! Why, hes even worked with TEDDY KENNEDY!!!"
Reagan, Bush, and Barry Goldwater also worked with Ted Kennedy
"So, callin all Conservatives! Stand up for INTOLERANCE!!"
Haven't been on a university campus recently, have you? Talk about intolerance, and it's all liberal.
We the People of the Great State/Republic of Texas have spoken!!! Hillary R. Clinton and Barack H. Obama will have to bash each other for 7 more weeks! That's what 1 or two weeks less than all the time since the Iowa Caucuses? That many weeks is an eternity for those two to beat each other up as Mc Cain (his real name) just waits.
I want to say that I hope I didn't offend anyone by mentioning the name of one of the Democrat front runners, it seems every name he has sounds like he's from someplace east of Center Texas, but I did refrain from using the name that seems to offend some of those with less than formidable constitutions.
SLATE:
"Hillary R. Clinton and Barack H. Obama will have to bash each other for 7 more weeks! That many weeks is an eternity for those two to beat each other up as Mc Cain (his real name) just waits."
If you think that's going to save McCain, you have another thing coming.
http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSN056...
"Presumptive Republican presidential nominee John McCain trails Democrats Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama in hypothetical matchups. Illinois Sen. Obama leads McCain by 12 percentage points -- 52% to 40%; New York Sen. Clinton leads McCain by 6 points -- 50% to 44%, the poll found."
If that's not bad enough BOTH Hillary Clinton and Obama are (1) out-fundraising McCain and (2) breaking records for voter turnout.
But this is all moot anyway because by November we'll only have two choices: a Democrat or a liberal RINO. Since Romney, Huckabee, Thompson, and Giuliani are out, anyway you look at November, YOU NEOCONS HAVE LOST.
I'm ok with the Republicans not winning, they did a bad job the last 8 years, Though I do think even with his flaws McCain would make a better president over H&O. With that said, 7 weeks is a very long time anything can happen and that time will help McCain with a time to plan for damage control' only time will tell.
With the News Falsh about a bomb going off in Times Square this morning it will raise the 'War against Terror debate again which is John's strongest suit. I wonder how long it will take people like you to claim Bush did that one too?