Dean Urges Do-Over Voting in Fla., Mich. »
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The former head of the Democratic National Committee said Thursday it was doubtful DNC Chairman Howard Dean would be able to get approval for a plan for do-over presidential nomination contests in Florida and Michigan.
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slate6 months ago
A do over? You have to be kidding me. What about those that voted and wouldn't be able to do so again, do their votes now not count? What about those that didn't think the first round was worthy of voting on but decide now to do so because of the history of it all and the 'power' welded in said vote?
Look either do what you said and not use the delegates and take the high ground or take it to the mud pits and get dirty and steal the election and prove that you will do ANYTHING to get what you want. But a do over? OMG this isn't an elementary school parlor game.
If it is decided to be done, I want the Hillary machine to pay the costs for the do overs.
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GHOSTWHOWALKS6 months ago
Nope. Florida and Michigan bear the cost. They were told what would happen and went ahead anyway. Rules are rules and this is just plain stupid. Both states are responsible for this and should pay for their own mistakes. Like forest says, "stupid is what stupid does."
Amazing how Florida just can't seem to get out of the pig sty.
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IanFraigun6 months ago
Well I probably agree with you that Michigan should bear the cost since their democratic party tried to jump to the head of the line even though they knew it was against the rules.
Florida is a different matter entirely. The primary date was set by the Governor who is a repbulican and a possible VP nominee. Since the state via the Governor set the date I don't think necessarily it is fair to saddle the revote cost on the democratic party. Mostly it should reside with the state that set the date even knowing it could disenfranchise many of its voters.
As you say Florida is finding it hard to get out of the mud of the pig sty.
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mivan46 months ago
The States aren't responsible the DEMOCRATIC party is, They voted for the measures IN both states, It should come out of the Democratic budgets in those 2 states somehow. Taxpayers should NOT bear the weight of this! but there should be a do over if the DNC even expects ANY kind of saving of FACE over this DEBACLE! AND to think THIS PARTY now wants to RUN the NATION!
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ecotourusa6 months ago
"Amazing how Florida just can't seem to get out of the pig sty."
ON top of that, we're broke! damn.
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GLee6 months ago
What is amazing is why thier votes had no meaning to the DNC to begin with. Dean is a tyrant...... plain and simple. Those two states wanted to do thier own thing and the only problem was Dean. They didn't follow what he said and he took his 'ball & bat' and went home. Childish. Those people took the time to vote......... now how American is it to not count thier votes?
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annoDomini6 months ago
But if the rules did somehow include "draconian punishment", why did ALL the states agree to them before the primaries? I think your assessment is incorrect. The problem here is not that the punishment isn't fitting, the problem is that MI and FL wanted their primaries to be "more important" by being earlier and they might have thought the punishment would not be inflicted because early in the campaign Sen. Clinton was the party favorite and they figured she would just graciously welcome the delegations from MI and FL at the convention and they could all be one big, happy family. Now that it looks like that might not happen, the violaters are trying to blame the DNC.
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annoDomini6 months ago
I think that the position of the DNC in these cases is that MI and FL still have the chance to hold VALID primaries. It isn't really a "do-over" from the DNC perspective. Whatever MI and FL did before was not a valid primary (because it violated the rules that ALL the states had agreed to). As such, IF the states hold primaries sometime between now and June, they wouldn't really be "do-overs", but would, in fact, be simply the actual, real, valid primaries that the states SHOULD have scheduled all along.
Therefore, there isn't any issue with someone who voted before, but can't vote now or vice versa. The voters that would vote in a primary now are exactly the voters that would have voted if the states had followed the rules.
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earthlingerer6 months ago
I'll refer to the brain-dead walking ghost, here, too.
It was the republicans who set the date for the dem primary in florida, not the dems themselves. It's all a part of the proven repub tactic of disenfranchisement and alienation of black and poorer urban voters.
It is what it is.
They already have results, let them stand and be counted.
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Endoscopy6 months ago
Its making the Republicans very happy. It doesn't matter what they do someones toes will be stepped on. The only way for it not to be a big problem is if either Hillary or Obama have such a lead the states delegates don't matter. That was the thinking when Florida and Michigan set the dates. Hillary was the anointed one and no one else had a chance. That changed and now a train wreck looms.
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ETproductions6 months ago
Either do it over or don't count it. It's not the DNC trying to disenfranchise the voters of Florida and Michigan. It's their own state politicians. If the state doesn't want to pay to do it by the rules, then let the voters of the state take it out on the idiots who broke the rules to begin with.
If you let these states slide, then no party will be able to set and enforce ANY rules to keep the primary system manageable. Every state will vote to leapfrog all the others and go first, and we will eventually be holding primaries to nominate people who haven't even been born yet.
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injest6 months ago
"Either do it over or don't count it. It's not the DNC trying to disenfranchise the voters of Florida and Michigan"
I have to disagree, it's the states that decided "when" to have the election, it is the DNC that decided NOT TO COUNT THE VOTES.
Votes cast "franchise the voters"
Votes not counted "disenfranchise the voters"
"It's their own state politicians. If the state doesn't want to pay to do it by the rules, then let the voters of the state take it out on the idiots who broke the rules to begin with."
True
"If you let these states slide, then no party will be able to set and enforce ANY rules to keep the primary system manageable"
And this would be a bad thing?
The CURRENT sys "disenfranchise" half of the states.
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lovemylibs6 months ago
My fellow Democrats should not use the do-over option. We should save that one for the general election in case we need it.
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injest6 months ago
How could this be fair?
What about the candidates no longer in the race?
If the dems had actually counted Michigan and Florida the drop outs might not needed to drop out?
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RedstateLib6 months ago
Actually James Carvelle said that the campaigns should split the cost. He also said he would start fundraising for Clintons half as soon a the Obama camp agrees. So far I don't believe Obama's side has responded.
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injest6 months ago
Ya know it's MUCH harder to kick a Field Goal than it is to score a Touch Down, So lets "re-score" the Super bowl and make Field Goal count for 7 points and Touch Downs count for 3 points!
No wait to be fair we need to "Re-Score" the ENTIRE season! Ya that's the ticket
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kboy6 months ago
The rules were set by the Democratic Party and now that some of them recognize that they have stepped on themselves, it is their problem to sort out (and they have to pay for everything it will take to do it). It is time (unlike most political actions) to accept the consequences of their own actions and not put it on the backs of the middle class.
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aniokly6 months ago
A do-over, how quaint. First, Howlin Howie said, "You cannot decide when to hold your primary. Only I can do that." Now he wants a do-over. How does that look to the rest of the country? Like Democrats have a screw loose. The primaries are over. Either seat their delegates, or disenfranchise 1,400,000 voters that will turn on the party in November.
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capecoralM6 months ago
So exactly what entity would pay for a "Do-Over" This is an absolute abomination of the election system being perpetrated by the Democratic Party. Is it the citizens of each states fault, who would through the taxes they pay be responsible for the general costs, that the Democrat(ic)s at the Federal level decided to ignore the states right to hold the elections whenever they wanted. It is an iconic picture of the current leaders of the Democrat(ic) party that they want to rule the nation from a centralized government entity and ignore the 10th amendment "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
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IanFraigun6 months ago
Irrelevant. The republican party primaries in those states did not violate the party rules on when and how primaries were held. The democrat state parties in those two did violate the rules of their national party and those rules must control. They want the votes to count they vote at a time allowed by the rules of the party. To do other we would be starting to hold primaries today for the election in 2020 which is not that much more rediculous than is happening today.
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slate6 months ago
Al Sharpton, isn't happy. If for some reason Hillay does steal the election Al Hinted that there will be some serious race problems that will ensue.
It's it interesting that it would be the Democratic party that would even think about stealing the chance for Blacks to have their first president? THe next time anyone form the left calls you a racist, just laugh at them.
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Albmore6 months ago
Is this how the democrats plans to lead our nation. They cannot even abide by thier own party rules. Billary is getting nervous. This is the partz that is suppose to untite America? They cannot even untie half of it. Look at how many law suit exchanges there have been between Billary and Obama in the primary alone. What a joke.
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Albmore6 months ago
Is this how the democrats plans to lead our nation. They cannot even abide by thier own party rules. Billary is getting nervous. This is the party that is suppose to untite America? They cannot even untie half of it. Look at how many law suit exchanges there have been between Billary and Obama in the primary alone. What a joke.
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earthlingerer6 months ago
Almost as much of a joke as the purposeful marginalization of Ron Paul, the ONLY real republican running.
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Albmore6 months ago
Is this how the democrats plans to lead our nation. They cannot even abide by thier own party rules. Billary is getting nervous. This is the party that is suppose to untite America? They cannot even untie half of it. Look at how many law suit exchanges there have been between Billary and Obama in the primary alone. What a joke.
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jaern6 months ago
As a Michigan resident, I'm frustrated by this whole thing. The way I see it is after the presidential election of 2000 voters really don't have a say anyway. The super delegates will decide who the party candidate is regardless of whether mine and other statesmen's votes are counted in the primary elections or not. Our state cannot afford a "do-over" and nor should we pay for one. We made a stand that our voices should be heard earlier and we should not back down w/ a do-over primary or caucus. Howard Dean can go screw himself.
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tchef6 months ago
Here you go. I'm a Democrat and my opinion is that there needs to be a do over. You can't count the results as they are because there wasn't a fair contest. It was stupid of the Democratic party to let this happen. They should have solved this before the votes had been cast. Now we look like a bunch of idiots and stand to lose the support of two large states in the national election. I think that the heads of the party were so sure that Hillary would run away with the nomination that this whole thing wouldn't matter. But many of us have had enough of the Clintons and don't want them back. We are looking to the future of our party not the past.
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aniokly6 months ago
Why did Democrats complicate their Primary rules so much that people in many states had their votes supressed? They just chose not to take part. They are still trying to decide how to count the delegates from the second Texas vote last Tuesday. They had to be drunk, or high on something when they wrote these rules.
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annoDomini6 months ago
Whether you like the Democratic party or not, the DNC did NOT complicate the primary rules. It was absolutely clear to the MI and FL state Dem parties when they could have their primaries AND THEY AGREED TO IT! It was also absolutely clear what the result of holding the primaries early would be: the primary would not be recognized by the National party. It is true that rules were set up to ensure that Iowa was first, followed by New Hampshire and then a few others. The MI and FL party leaders COULD have abided by the rules that they agreed to, but they chose not to. They CAN STILL abide by the rules and hold primaries that will be recognized by the National party if they choose to.
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Endoscopy6 months ago
You want to foot the bill. In Florida the estimate is $20 million. The DNC doesn't have that much and the Florida Democrat party doesn't either. The state won't pay for it. The DNC thought that they have say in what is a state right according to the Constitution. They goofed.
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injest6 months ago
"Whether you like the Democratic party or not, the DNC did NOT complicate the primary rules. It was absolutely clear to the MI and FL state Dem parties when they could have their primaries AND THEY AGREED TO IT! It was also absolutely clear what the result of holding the primaries early would be:"
So this whole Seen is a call for help?
"Stop me before I vote Again!"
"Friends don't let Friends whine and vote!"
The only thing more pathetic than this is trying to shift the blame from the DNC and Democrats to Republican.
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aniokly6 months ago
Everywhere you go people are making fun, and laughing about this Democrat problem. I wonder if the party leaders know how silly they look. Why did they not foresee a close Primary fight? Because they had already annointed Hillary.
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annoDomini6 months ago
How could it be that if MI and FL hold primaries now that they would be betraying "the very foundation of fair play"?Holding primaries now is exactly within the rules that they agreed to before any primaries started. Several other states are still yet to hold their primaries too. Doing the primary now would not break any rules at all.
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mcarpentry6 months ago
anno, there will be lawsuits forth coming from this, All of the democratic candidates that were running for President will want their vote to be counted also. Talk about a party of fools.
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injest6 months ago
"How could it be that if MI and FL hold primaries now that they would be betraying "the very foundation of fair play"
Your kidding right?
"the very foundation of fair play"
And how many were running when the Dem primaries were held in Mi and FL? More than two I'd bet.
IF they have a "re-do" it can (and will) be viewed as the ultimate dirty trick to force others out of the race.
There is NO win here for the Dems.
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IanFraigun6 months ago
This decision will not be made by the democratic party (national party). The final decision must be made by the state party that decided to violate the national rules on when a primary can be held. In fact the whole flap is over the national party sticking to the rules that all states, including Michigan and Florida, agreed to follow.
I give the national party credit for sticking with the known rules and turning their back on the other 48 states that not only agreed to but followed those rules.
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Endoscopy6 months ago
It was the State Legislature with an almost unanimous vote in Florida. That is the right of the state and not that of either party. The DNC stepped outside the bounds of their rights. Now they have to pay the piper. The DNC setting rules that State Democrat party agreed to has no binding on the state government.
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injest6 months ago
"I give the national party credit for sticking with the known rules and turning their back on the other 48 states that not only agreed to but followed those rules."
Uhmm Ian, if the DNC is sticking to its guns then why is Dean head of the DNC calling for a re-do?
Can't be both.
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aniokly6 months ago
You are right. They had their primary, it should stand. If they get two primaries, do the other states get to have a do-over too? It's nuts.
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aniokly6 months ago
I am having much too much fun with watching the Democrats squarm with this delegate problem.
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Harbeas6 months ago
No do over! The political process is already way beyond any reasonable or sane financial costs. We are making sure that only the rich can afford to run for office. This is not what our founding fathers had in mind. The government gives each bonafide candidate x number of dollars for their campaign. They should have to make do with that sum! That is all they can spend and no more. No donations of any kind can be accepted.
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