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Posted By not2needy 8 months, 1 week ago in NewsFTA: "If the votes of the superdelegates overturn what's happened in the elections, it would be harmful to the Democratic party," Pelosi said in an interview taped Friday for broadcast Sunday on ABC's "This Week."
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not2needy8 months, 1 week ago
FTA;
The California Democrat did not mention either Obama or his rival, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, by name. But her remarks seemed to suggest she was prepared to cast her ballot at the convention in favor of the candidate who emerges from the primary season with the most pledged delegates.
For once, i agree with Pelosi, if the super delegates ignore the wishes of the people, they will have a mess on their hands, IMO!
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nostalgia8 months ago
The problem for some members of the House who are Superdelegates - how do you vote if your district went for one candidate but your state was won by the other candidate. Do you vote with the voters in your district or the majority of the voters in the state?
For House members who are in this position they are going to ignore the "wishes" on one group of people or the other
Wonder what Nancy thinks they should do?
Nancy's sound bite may be appealing but is too simplistic for this problem and ignores the reality for many Superdelegates - members of "her" House
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injest8 months ago
"If the votes of the superdelegates overturn what's happened in the elections, it would be harmful to the Democratic party," Pelosi said"
How?
The whole notion of "superdelegates" undermines the integrity of the Democrat primaries and ultimately the general election.
Do you know "who" are the "superdelegates"? Do you know who's 1 vote is equal to 10,000 normal Democrat voters?
Lets see, we have Gov Eliot "under my thumb" Spitzer, "Cold Hard Cash" Jefferson, Jack "Abscam/murdered in cold blood" Murtha, Gov. Gumby "Gram Davis", In fact superdelegate are based solely on their status as current or former elected officeholders and party officials. And it's an "automatic", if they are "elected state Federal Democrats they are automatically "superdelegates" Including those pillars of strength Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi.
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rdy2rck8 months, 1 week ago
I agree 100%.Whether it would make the dems loose the election I don't know but would give McCain even a bigger wedge that he's making now with all the time he's got and this would give him some ammo.
And I'm always going against the will of the people.Just like last election. it's still hard to figure out which candidate actually won but fair democracy sure didn't win.
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rdy2rck8 months, 1 week ago
Never ever. I'm just stating that this can't but give him an advantage.And once again n2n(deary), I'm not voting for any of the top three and you can't make me(sticking out tongue.)Oh what cruel debauchery, it's so hard being an Independant.LMAO
Seriously, I'm stuck. I've gotta vote but don't have nobody to vote for.
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Spadecaller8 months, 1 week ago
People in this country do not seem fired up at all about McCain. The White House will not go to another Republican after what Bush has done to this country.
Sooner or later Pelosi had to get something right; she a an old Grandmother clock that gets the time right twice a day.
We need some new blood in Washington. The vampires (lobbyists) have nearly sucked the life out of the present crew. There's only a handful of people doing their jobs there, anyway. Time for some housecleaning.
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1-2-Oscar8 months, 1 week ago
I would like to see Obama reach 1,999. That would make the 26 delegates pledged to John Edwards enough to clinch the nomination.
If were going to have the nomination decides by "deals" made in some back room, let's at least deal with people who care about the future of Americans. I'll take virtually any solution that eliminates Senator Clinton from consideration.
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not2needy8 months, 1 week ago
Welcome back Mdiar, i wondered where you had been!
I know what you mean, Prop has done me that way twice lately.
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rdy2rck8 months ago
Welcome back Mdiar. I'm still having a major problem with exchanging in "real" time."I have to post, go back later and see.If there's more than two people I'm knind of out of luck.
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ETproductions8 months, 1 week ago
Way to go, Nancy. Before the kitchen sink attacks that gave Clinton Ohio, in national polls Obama was beating McCain by a decent margin and Clinton was beating him by a thin margin.
After Ohio and all of Hillary's attacks, a Rassmussen phone poll indicated that McCain now leads both Obama and Hillary. Does she want the nomination so much that destroying the Democratic Party and loosing the election is fine with her, as long as she destroys her opponent in the process?
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ProudBlueTexan8 months ago
That's why she doesn't deserve the Oval Office, and why I may stay at home in November if she has somehow claimed the nomination. I live by my principles.
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Spadecaller8 months ago
These "polls" are as trustworthy as those taking them. I think they have been using the wrong term for them; they should really be called "rumors". Most of these polls have questions that are worded in such a way that they will illicit responses that favor a preconceived objective by those conducting the "polls".
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not2needy8 months ago
I put no stock at all in these polls, i just wonder where they get the people they use to take these polls.
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nikkibabe8 months ago
Nancy is right to the bone here. Popular vote should prevail in the convention.
Also, it is high time the Presidential election is also changed to give the victory to the candidate winning the popular vote.
The electoral college and votes was good when we were riding horses!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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raats66628 months ago
The problem is, in the case of the primaries, there is a difference between the 'popular' vote and the 'delegate' vote. We need to have some sort of delegate system for the primaries. And the way that the Repubs do it (all or nothing) is frankly, no different then the electoral college. The ideal primary system would be proportional delegates WITHOUT Super Delegates.
As for the General Election... you're right. The time has come for the Electoral College to be taken out of our system. There is something wrong when 11 people (not eleven states, but eleven people) can decide who is going to be President.
If you take the results of the 2004 election (the largest voter turnout in the history of the US). Our current system only requires that 1 vote be cast in a state for that state to go to a candidate. If all the rest of the votes in every other state are cast for the other candidate the election will still go to the candidate with only 11 votes........
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raats66628 months ago
(Cont).....In the case of the 2004 election....Bush could have won the 2004 election even if the popular vote was Bush 11 Kerry 55,474,507.
That is the problem with our current system of electing a president.
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simonsez8 months ago
I disagree ...
If the Electoral College were eliminated, a handful of major cities would control every National contest. Many many states would no longer have any say about what happens politically.
Our elected officials should be invested in what ALL regions of our country have to say and sympathetic to their needs.
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doppich8 months ago
The purpose of the superdelegates is to use their judgment to help prevent another electoral landslide loss like 1972. If they follow the crowd, solely for the reason of following the crowd, better that they be eliminated. My interest is that the man who would give us the third Bush term be defeated. I don't care which of the Democrats is chosen so long as s/he does that.
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NVRob8 months ago
First off, Obama is the one claiming "kitchen sink attack strategy". There was the "3am, red phone ad". Everything else that came out and has come out since the media has pushed. The media was caught in a lovefest with Obama (83% favorable reporting through the end of Feb.), now they are trying to look unbiased, they have turned on him and are pushing for answers.
What about the church, what about Resko? Obama has attended this church and the Rev. Wright has been his friend for 20 years now. Obama is now distancing himself? In 20 years he had no idea what this church was about, what it supported (like Rev. Farrakhan, a black value system, etc.).
This church is seperatist at best, downright racist at worst - and Obama claims to be a uniter?
There have been several stories about the church on here that generated much discussion, but they keep disappearing. Can't find them in the history files. Where do they go? Why are they gone?
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obiefrommuskogee8 months ago
Clinton and Rezcko, who she claims not to know.
http://burkefile.blogspot.com/2008/01/tony-rezc...
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not2needy8 months ago
Yes, and she has been insturmental in seeing to it that Rezcho has been shoved down Obama's throat, all the while, i guarantee he gave to Bill's campaign.
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automan9098 months ago
Open your eyes people. Obama is a racist, seperatist, socialist. Isn't the news of his 20 years in a racist un-American church enough. Don't forget how he won't wear an American flag on his lapel, and his wife said for the first time in her adult life she was proud? They are anti too. Don't be fooled by his Hitler type of hypnotisim.
I will be voting for the only person running that truely cares about America. John Mccain
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nikkibabe8 months ago
Quote:
"I will be voting for the only person running that truely cares about America. John Mccain".
I guess he is not sure of which America he is referring to?
Is it the one that is borrowing $150 billion a month to patrol the streets of Baghdad?
Or is it the one where people are losing their homes, jobs, filing for bankruptcies and waiting for a hand out from China to pay their debts?
Or is it the one where bridges and highways are crumbling, people have to chose between food/gas/medicines everyday while oil companies are making $$ mega billions?
Or is it the country whose flag and national anthem has no respect anymore for the kidnapping, imprisonment and torture of "suspects" and denial of basic legal help and a list of charges.
If yes, he is right. John McCain is the one to continue the trend.
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simonsez8 months ago
Niki, do you realize that we pay into a infrastructure fund every time we buy a gallon of gas, but government uses the money for other purposes.
Do they use tobacco settlement money to stop smoking? Of course not. Smokers and tobacco companies pay more in taxes than anyone. They have no desire to kill the industry.
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NVRob8 months ago
Obama on Friday told the Chicago Sun Times and Tribune that his dealiings with Tony Resko were "not only a mistake in judgment..."
Twenty years of association with Rev. Wright and his rhetoric, now he denounces and is distancing himself from this.
Another mistake in judgment?
So where is this superior judgment Barack claims to have?
He didn't vote for the Iraq war? He couldn't, it occurred three years before he was in the US Senate. Oh, and there are articles where Barack didn't actually oppose this war like he is claiming. ie Chicago Tribune, July 27, 2004 and others.
I question this claim of superior judgment.
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sotiris-k8 months ago
Please name what lapse of judgement you are talking about. Exactly who was inflicted with pain by those things? Who suffered because that guy was his location's pastor? Who suffered because of the real estate deal? Please elaborate how in any way all this bs stupid irrelevant things show lack of judgement where it counts.
If i were to distance myself from all the people that at some point i disagreed with i would be left entirely alone in the planet. Lets do it then and see where we all end up.
The only error in terms of that real estate deal is in the eyes of hypocrites that are trying to pick nits in the barn while ignoring completely the elephants nearby that are the iraq war, the collapse of the currency and the economy , the real estate disaster , the lack of infrastructure development , the deterioration of the average citizen's education, the disaster in oil markets and even agricultural products. Tell me again where any of this can relate a pastor or a home's purchase price.
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not2needy8 months ago
Unreasonable demands made by an unreasonable bunch of fanatics, thinking that guilt by association will win them another 100 years of war.
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NVRob8 months ago
Clinton is handing the election to McCain rather than loose the primaries to Obama?
They are both fighting for this nomination - neither wants McCain, but they both must question each others qualifications. ie. Obama questions Hillarys' foreign policy experience, 83 countries as first lady, but what did she do, was it just a vacation?
Same thing.
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not2needy8 months ago
She has taken her game plans straight out of the republican play book, exactly what she accused her opponents of doing early in the debates.
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not2needy8 months ago
What would you do to the least productive simon? Put them in concentration camps, line them up before a firing squad, dig one massive grave and throw them all in it, starve them to death? Sound familiar?
I was a welfare/food stamp/medicaid worker until i retired. I saw abuses of the programs, and i don't like welfare any more than most of you all do. But what do you suggest we do with these people simon? Yes, all social programs could be eliminated, but does the average working person make enough money to surround their homes with electric fences? That's what it would take! As it is we're not safe in our own homes, our cars are being carjacked, i could go on for days about the dangers of just going to work. So what do we do with these people?
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simonsez8 months ago
I don't condone or call for elimination of any social programs. We need to help those in need, of course and yes, there are many abuses, I'm sure.
My mother-in-law was a social worker in South Georgia for many years and she saw everything under the sun going on.
But 90% of the citizens in this country are law-abiding, hard working, civil minded, productive people. They work, pay too much in taxes counting sales, state, county and Federal taxes for every transaction they are involved in.
But that's not enough for Democrats .... they want more. And if you earn more, they want you to pay much more. They define "rich", but charge the tax to many who are not "rich", just doing well.
In this country, if you define rich as those making more than $175,000, you are screwing a lot of productive Americans who are not rich..
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pongping8 months ago
Superdelagate? Just what the heck is a super delegate? What self-appointed usurper(s) came up with this crap? Just sounds like more tightening of power to me.
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sotiris-k8 months ago
Bottom line when all the irrelevance is shifted away and reality becomes again important :
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/pr...
135 delegates differential new all time high .
Clinton and McCain can invite each other in a dinner and have fun planning to stop history . They will both fail for the simplest of reasons; americans are not entirely brain dead yet...
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