Politics – Many leaders of prominence sell their souls for their lust of power. Yet, who has descended faster than Hillary Clinton, the Democratic Presidential candidate from New York, the crowned heir to her husband's throne, the former front-runner who lost her edge to a Washington neophyte from Illinois?
I can't say I disagree at all Spade except maybe what Hillary "has become."I think pershaps this has exposed what she always has been.
My impression is it's what the Clintons have always been. Unlike Cheney/Bush, they are very interested in public opinion is. They constantly consult focus groups and tell the voters whatever they currently want to hear. Hence Hillary was a NAFTA cheerleader before she opposed it and wanted to renegotiate it or scrap it. But their main purpose is for the Clintons, not the voters.
They moved to Washington in 1992 so poor they had to borrow money from wealthy supporters for the move. 8 years later, on a salary of 350,000 a year, they left Washington worth 35 million dollars. They want to do it again.
To be honest ET, many politicians on both sides have hit pay-dirt in DC. Why else would they spend upwards to a billion dollars to just elect the president?
I bet if you watch close enough in 'any' race, you'll see that 'contenders' drop out about the time there is 'just the right amount' of money left in their campaign funds for them to not look too greedy as they pocket the 'chump change' left over from their valiant run.
When she went negative she lost a lot of people.
When she "went" negative, (as if she hasn't been for years now?) WOW! How quickly people forget! She's been nasty since Bill's gov. election way back then..
Hillary is a proven liar, she will do anything to win, she is an embarrassment to the democrats and is even hiding a court case against her, (the biggest financial fraud case in the Hill's history pending now in CA) That alone is a huge deception to all those who still support her for president! Hillary's past of one financial fraud case after another, (whitewater, filegate, travelgate & 3 since becoming - and kept quiet) should've been a clue! Her excuses are over-the-top too! I mean, "tired, so I misspoke?" GAD! I guess if she gets tired this easily than I have to wonder about her "waking up at 3 a.m. to answer the red phone!" - She thinks we are too stupid to know better.... just like Obama. CONTâ;¦
The media and some so-called political experts insist that mudslinging and attack ads are effective. But for the last few years, that has not proven to be true. It sounds like some people want to exploit the muckrakers to keep the subject off the real issues; like the Iraq War, the lobbyists, the oil companies, and the profiteers. Will Americans ever smarten up?
I think Americans are smarter then we are given credit for ;) Just slow to anger, so to speak! We also gotta be given credit for basically ignoring the media and not choosing Clinton/Giuliani for the general! Or at least making Clinton sweat a bit!
So, after all this time, with Hillary set on the pedestal of the 'anointed' one, what happened to make all the shrouded veils to fall from her face, exposing her warts?
It's simple, actual viable competition, named Barack Hussein Obama.
Everyone on the right knows that if Barack never came along, Hillary would still be your anointed Gurl. She'd still be your hero and savior from the evil that has befallen this nation at the hands of the dastardly Republicans.
Her veil would still hide her face and your blinders firmly affixed, as you'd stand around drinking from the fountain of (Republican Evil/Hillary Savior).
For once, I agree with you, Slate! And yet, if I had to choose between her and John McInsane, I would cast my vote for her as the lesser of the two evils!
OBAMA 08...it's NOT too late!!
What a choice Cushi,,,,, I just don't trust Hillary, and the thought of voing for anyone with the two names I've had to choose from for most of my life makes me ill.
McCain,,, yeah I feel for him,,,, I do think the torture broke something inside him,,,, not that I balme him,,, it just seems that he's not quite right?
The "real issues" for the democrats for years, "Bush lied" "corruption" blah blah, (even with NO evidence just propaganda driven) - Those WERE the REAL issues for the party & "suddenly" corruption/lies all OKAY! (PROVEN ones) NOW time for "real" issues!
Obama lies too! His campaign theme was, "Against the War Since Day 1" Not only was he FOR THE WAR but he supported Bush too! All documented by local TV shows & newspapers & magazine articles. Obama based his run on LIES & panders by lying. & who in their right mind would believe his "excuses" re "Reverend" Wright? "Sure Obama, how could you possibly know your closet confidant of 20 yrs who helped you decided to run, had the sermon title that amazingly is your book's title, married you/wife, baptized your kids, you say "saved your life" - big relationship & you didn't realize his views"? Sure, we believe you!
You, sir, are a liar. And not even a very good one.
You are entitled to make up your own opinion. But you aren't entitled to make up your own facts. linkipoo wrote: "Not only was he FOR THE WAR but he supported Bush too!"
Awe - little one, do you feel much better now? Are you proud of your "work" in finding evidence that I am a liar? Well, I SIR, am not a liar, I am not a liberal so I don't need to lie! I do hope you enjoyed your moment of ego-boosting-bliss, however, it is YOU who is WRONG - on a couple accounts!
By the way, I am already completely aware of the garbage that people like you actually use to fill their minds up and later declare "real" & "true". I didn't need your propaganda pushing "idiot" sites/video to help me further verify that fact.
And although you may feel strongly about your inquired hate in general & even proud of the "truths" you think you actually know, it is YOU who is mistaken both about me, (I am not a "sir", sheep), and about your 2nd-coming of JC in the flesh, Obama CONT...
Do you know why people like Obama pander so much? Because it works with people so willing to trust the words of a democrat, and dems truly feel the only way to truly win elections is pander & make their own people as miserable as possible - sacrificing their own party's happiness, (and the rest of us too), just so people such as you will run into their (not open after elections) arms & decalre that they will save you & the nation from the horrors of the right, (when in fact, the misery was pushed on by them!) GAD, WHAT SUCKERS - purposley made miserable for votes! Anway...
The "supposed intuitive" judgment he exercised in his 2002 speech was nothing more than the pander of a local election campaign cuz he was in front of the most liberal county in the nation. Obama, often changes his messages to "go with the popular opinion of the crowd" CONT...
In "real life" - in 04 when running for the senate and the war was in - he sang a totally different song. Obama didn't even HIDE it back then, he repeated the same points & support in a WHOLE HOST of interviews PRIOR to announcing his candidacy BECAUSE in the country, the war was still supported by most everyone... (which forced the left to change the minds of the public to get some votes "back") Never the less..
"I (believed) that [Saddam] had repeatedly flouted UN resolutions and weapons inspectors and that such behavior had to have consequences. That Saddam butchered his own people was undisputed; I had no doubt that the world, and the Iraqi people, would be better off without him" Obama - 2004
A few for you: On July 27, 2004, he told the Chicago Tribune (on Iraq): "There's not much of a difference between my position and George Bush's position at this stage." CONT...
In his book, The Audacity of Hope, published in 2006, he wrote, "...on the merits I didn't consider the case against war to be cut-and- dried." And, in 2006, he clearly said, "I'm always careful to say that I was not in the Senate, I didn't have the benefit of US intelligence. And for those who did, it might have led to a different set of choices" ETC ETC on and on ........
What I don't "get" is why you and your ilk actually fight so hard to avoid hearing the truth, prove the truth wrong and spend all that energy when you could actually do your own self a favor (and the country) by simply finding credible sources like gov rec docs etc., using those & NOT trusting in "un-trustworthy" sources or videos made specifically to promote their own causes and ****** you off! Amazes me all the time.
...Democrats: fighting hard to keep the ignorance & run from truth... and will fight to the death for that right...
A few twisted phrases to somehow argue that Obama, who clearly was against the war from the start, actually supported it. Spinmastering is such a precious art among RepugniCons today. But spin is not equal to truth. Love him or hate him, Obama did opose the war. And everything you trot out to "prove" he didn't just shows him to be thoughtful and honest, something one can't say of you or, for that matter, George W. Bush.
when your own liberal sites are saying it, it MUST be true! They have lots of documents, and like I said to you once before - if you want to remain ignorant to help sooth your nasty ego issues and hold on to your pride, go right ahead, stay as ignorant as you possibly can. Because after all, it is far better that you keep your pride and soothe your ego than to do the right thing - learn the truth in as many areas in life as possible and vote for the good of the country and all the millions in it... yes, it is you (and those like you), who should da mn the coutnry for egocentric reasons!
PS - 1. It is extremely hypocritical, (yet normal for your sort), to call anyone dishonest, especially the right wing, when in fact, it is clear that both Obama and all his "I didn't know after 20-years of a close relationship my reverend said that stuff" LOL and the non-soccer playing, not named after any great first climber of Everest, daughter who wasn't near the twin towers when they came down, (by the way, thanks Clinton), and didn't get shot at by enemy fire and run for cover to save her life entitled Clinton candidate. LOTS of proof of all I have said, even if your head remains in the sand. No proof for your silly allegations you were told to think.
2. People's opinions who use words like RepugniCons (& your other kiddy terms), are not very important to most anyone with an ounce of intelligence and any decency at all, clearly you are not in my league
On most of these threads whether you are a Dem or a Rep I hear the smarter ones on both sides say "it is time for a change"
So why is there even a shillary or a mccluts in the race?
Since 1989 a shrud or c lit has been in office, and 8 years before that a shrud sr, as VP, so since 1981 these two families have shaped USA immensly.25 years and yet people want more of the same.
Barak with all his faults, and we all have them, is a breath of fresh air, he is a step in another direction, a different one that USA has been on for over 2 decades.
None of the 3 who are running are good choices, but 2 of them are just a continuation of all the crap that has plagued USA for years, so if change is what USA wants, then prove it and get rid of the 2 ruling families
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What has Hillary Clinton become? Has she undergone a transformation or has she been exposed for who and what she is?
To me, it appears that Hillary has become everything that has characterized the current administration's infamy: corrupt, greedy, ruthless, dishonest, incompetent, and shortsighted.
I have never been interested in the idea of another Clinton Presidency - even though I had a lot more time for Bill than just about all the twerps who have tried to folow him, not least the one who did.
I would not be at all happy if she won the nomination now.
But while it isn't hard to find ammunition against her I'll hold my fire in the belief that even negative attention feeds the sharks..
The one thing that damages politicians the mostis being ignored. The next most damaging is faint praise.
I'll stick with the former of these and assume that she knows I'm ignoring her.. :)
Wouldn't McCain be the mother of catastrophes?!
I was really hoping for her to be the candidate- but now at least she has closed the door before she could be elected & we find the true Hillary is just what we thought was neocon BS
The problem now is we are faced with the Hobson's choice of Obama or McCain
(((To me, it appears that Hillary has become everything that has characterized the current administration's infamy: corrupt, greedy, ruthless, dishonest, incompetent, and shortsighted)))
Oh Gawd! She has BECOME Bush? Err ok, yeah the last few years she has become just like Bush. Jeeze.
Listen up Spade, and the rest of the left that somehow is 'SHOCKED' by the last few weeks. It's time for a reality check.
Democrats aren't Saintly and All Republicans aren't evil Nazi, Facisits.
Hillary is finally showing the blind who she truly is, I've seen her true self for 20 years as have others on the right.
Apart from the fact that he just MIGHT spark the revolution..
There'd definitely be something in the air a bit more intense than GWB's flatulence!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=2pGht71KFkY
Bullseye!
While in the throes of dispair during the Bush admin, i would have gladly welcomed a Hillary Clinton admin. However, she has discredited herself, and shown that she is NOT a team player. She has proven that she is willing to do whatever it takes to win, including eating her own, much like what we have now.
God forbid that we end up with more of that kind of politics. This country can't stand much more, we are going to end up in either a Revolutionary or Civil war, right here in America, people are tired!
Absolutely correct!
Where people aren't tired?
I don't know in the midst of all the political machinations during her hubby's administration that were questionable questionable as well as controversial that she even had the temerity to consider to run at all! I guess she was depending on that old saying of PT Barnum: "A sucker is born every minute."
What up my main boy homie bronxbomber.
BUCKHEADD FOR PRESIDENT 2008!
WE SHALL UNITE AGAINST HILLARY AND MCAIN!
Does that mean you fired Alpha Gnosis, and you hired me back again buck?
;o)
Actually...and in all honestly... I can't imagine anyone in their right mind would vote for either Hillary or Obama. (Seriously)
All I can imagine is that those who vote for one of them are only doing so for purely partisan reasons and many because their pride is crushed from the last two elections and their support is merely a way to "win" or "take back the country" - those who say things like "our country is doomed if a Republican wins" "there goes the country" - (all egocentric, very juvenile statements -and one terribly pompous and one is just some exaggerated fear-tactic-kiddy statement - weakening the whole party image).
Both Hillary and Obama are PROVEN liars â;; and that's what the democrat party has to offer up for the election that they just "had to win"? contâ;¦
Oh, and Mr. McCain's support of comprehensive imigration reform before he was against it; his votes against the Bush tax cuts as unduly favoring the rich before he was for them -- these are not lies because they are truthiness? Spin on, linkipoo. It's clear what your thought process is linked to.
GOODNESS! So defensive! Everything I wrote was factual & then you came along and A. Got all worked up over the truth B. called me a liar & C. Stood up for your party by attacking McCain! NICE ONE, (wink wink!)
Clever as it may seem to you to post such 'non-related' & angry remarks to me, it merely reflects the truth & it sort of shows that I hit a nerve w/those truths that you apparently cannot excuse or defend (so why post?)
Be that as it may & to go along w/your tit-for-tat typical left wing defensive blow-up tantrum - I'll simply suggest you look the voting information up on the senate's home site. That way, you will know the truth too & not have to rely on far left wing, very deceptive, down-right dishonst websites for your "knowledge" - Okay? Calm Now?
PS SUPER diversional tactics, like Hillary's & Obama's! - that runs in your party when the truth sucks too much to face! Nice work!
You provided NO facts, just unsupported allegations. The only facts one needs to see where you current RepugniCons will take America are visible in the performance of the current Bush administration and the fact McCain wants to continue its disastrous policies unchanged.
If you are one of the top 1% of the wealthy, then supporting those policies makes perfect sense. They have doubled their share of the nation's wealth since the Reagan Revolution, and now own nearly 50% of America. That's just where the Republican Party got things under Herbert Hoover in 1929.
Oh goodie, another intelligent response showing the mentality of the typical democrat, "repugnicons" - what a smart whip you are!
I gave your facts, but someone so plugged into the distortions of hate-filled and completely inaccurate information & someone wanting to honestly stay in ignorance really can't be helped.
I gather you have no idea about the economy, what it is, has been during the Bush administration and how Clinton left it, if fact, since your information seems to come from extremely questionable sources, I would bet money on it. And by the way, not only will I be proven correct, but also that what you know to be "true" (lol), is way off. But you just keep on allowing people to tell you what to think, know, feel and drive your every thought & see how successful as a person that makes you! If ya wanna bet, my sources are 100% accurate â;; are you a taker?
Talk about partisan nonsense, good heavens poo, your full of it. Any idiot can see that de regulation and lack of exportable products have been destroying the economy, the chicks have simply come home to roost. What makes you claim Obama is a liar? Sources please.
((((What has Hillary Clinton become? Has she undergone a transformation or has she been exposed for who and what she is?)))))
This is Rhetorical right?
You can't change the spots on a hyena. All you can do is mistake it for a kitten in your inability to see it for what it has always been just before it sinks it's teeth into you throat once it feels threatened.
Surely, after all this time, you on the left have had to see the glimmerings of a hyena in the shadows as walked the political path, whistling and trying to ignore the feeling that you're being stalked?
Beware that you do a good job looking into Obama as well as every politician you may vote for. That goes for any of them on the left or right, republican or democrat. Gerorge Walker Bush is a fine example of someone I personally had high hopes for and thought he'd be a very good president. You know when you finnally see the truth fro what it is, it can be surprizing and it can take you aback. All you can do is learn from it, don't trust any of them, and try your best to not be grifted again.
What is so "surprizing" that can take you "aback"?
His economic successes?
The fact we haven't been hit here in America since 9/11?
The fact that he took over when Bill had us in a 2-year recession, (a real one, not a slow-down that is exploited for election time, a real-live-recession where we all suffered)
That he ended taxes & gave tax-credits to the poor? Challenged schools? Raised the taxes on the rich beginning his very 1st year in office (and not the mid class?), His economic "firsts" and historic 2nd's? Tell me, you are not very specific, it more like a general statement that anyone can say without really giving any "meat" to back it up
Let's see,,,
Yeah he did take over a 2 year recession and handled it prety well.
Yep Yep taxes yeah I agree.
No those things didn't take me aback,,,, figuring out that he spends money faster than Democrats, not closing the bordering and His-pandering to Mexico, starting a war that I thought was for the right reasons, then decided to let other people force him into another Vietnam style war that has little chance of going as well as it sould have, if you start a war finish it, pardoning his buddy Libby, yet letting innocent border guards rot in prison.... sorry yeah Iwas tanken aback by those things,,, I'm not sure if anyone like Gore or Kerry could have done better,,, it is what it is and I can decide for myself how good a job I personally think he did after I voted for him, but thanks.
I can forgive the slips of tongue
'Wouldn't McCain be the mother of catastrophes?!'
How so?
I can answer that for them, 'because it would crush their egos' (again) and that would be the only catastrophe.