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National Right to Life has endorsed presumptive Republican nominee Senator John McCain (R-Arizona) for president. While McCain has not been considered the ideal candidate by most of the pro-life community, many consider him a much better choice than either Senator Hillary Clinton (D-New York) or Senator Barak Obama (D-Illinois).

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aniokly
April 19, 2008, 1:41 p.m.
How many people belong to the Right to life? How many people belong to the NRA? How many people do not want us to cut., and run in Iraq? How many people do not want their taxes raised> That is a whole lot of people.

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  AlphaGnosis
  April 19, 2008, 7:34 p.m.
  "While McCain has not been considered the ideal candidate by most of the pro-life community, many consider him a much better choice than either Senator Hillary Clinton (D-New York) or Senator Barak Obama (D-Illinois)."
  
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  AlphaGnosis
  April 19, 2008, 7:37 p.m.
  That pretty much says it all.
  
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    DaneL
    April 19, 2008, 9:38 p.m.
    AMEN!
    
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    AtheismIsReality
    April 20, 2008, 10:32 a.m.
    Yes, you have a right to life, if you are an American. If you are not, and especially if you have oil in your country, watch out!!!
    
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      jimdoze
      April 20, 2008, 4:14 p.m.
      "...especially if you have oil in your country, watch out!!!"
      You would be especially in danger from your own countryman of different tribal or ethnic background and/or extra-national radical forces seeking de facto control of your oil... and of your wider geographic region.
      
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        AtheismIsReality
        April 20, 2008, 9:33 p.m.
        Who of those people are on the National Right to Life Council?
        That's what I thought.
        
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rdy2rck
April 19, 2008, 5:53 p.m.
This is a plus in my book. Abortion is a confusing issue but definately don't want it to become the first line choice of birth control.

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  not2needy
  April 19, 2008, 7 p.m.
  I can see it now rdy, women having getting pregnant parties so they can have abortion parties.
  Abortions aren't used as birth control! I can't believe that there is even ONE woman on this planet that would choose to use it that way. I am almost 58 years old and i only know 4 women who have had abortions in my whole life, and the only reason i know them is because of my job, and 2 girls that lived close by me.
  The average person wouldn't have abortions except in extreme cases, HOWEVER, the right has blown it so out of proportion that you would think the lefties are abducting pregnant women off the street and taking them directly to the abortion clinic. It's absurd.
  
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    rdy2rck
    April 19, 2008, 7:29 p.m.
    I agree n2n. "Right to Life" can be defined in so many ways but I don't believe in abortion factories.Whether it's my business what a women does I don't know.But when women come in where I volunteer and say I can't look at a baby sobbing it gets complicated.
    Plus a week ago I saw a first operation where they took the womb out of the women to operate on the 18 week old baby and when the surgeon made the cut an arm came out and the hand grabbed the surgeons finger. He cried, I cried and tell me that's not a baby but a "fetus."Fetus has slowly changed the term what a baby is.
    I honestly don't know when I think life begins but to me abortion factories further devalue the meaning of life in our country.
    
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      NoWayMan
      April 19, 2008, 11:40 p.m.
      at 18 weeks an abortion is NOT supposed to be performed. that's well past the first trimester time frame.
      and according to "baby 2 see" an embryo becomes a fetus on or after the 10th week.
      http://www.baby2see.com/development/week10.html
      
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        rdy2rck
        April 20, 2008, 11:54 a.m.
        Perhaps you can inform me NWM.I thought there were 2 Eastern states that performed abortions up until the third trimester and were winding there way through the courts.?Thanks for the web.
        
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    ranchhand
    April 19, 2008, 7:30 p.m.
    N2N You know I love you. But that is the silliest answer to rdy2rck comment I have heard yet. BTW You are the most trying woman I think I've ever come in contact with.
    
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      Mdiar
      April 19, 2008, 7:33 p.m.
      You've never met my ex.
      
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        AlphaGnosis
        April 19, 2008, 7:34 p.m.
        lol!
        
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        Mdiar
        April 19, 2008, 7:35 p.m.
        ;)
        
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        Mdiar
        April 19, 2008, 7:39 p.m.
        Okay, that was unfair to my ex. I'm sure she'd say the same about me!
        
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      rdy2rck
      April 19, 2008, 7:43 p.m.
      I won't call you silly n2n but there are millions of abortions done for birth control every year in the U.S. and amazingly a huge percentage of clinics are in poverty stricken areas.
      Ex what? is the question Mdiar.LOL
      
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        Mdiar
        April 19, 2008, 7:57 p.m.
        Well, part of me wants to say Missouri mule... but I don't think my ex will find that entertaining, so I'll just say ex girlfriend! She maintains, to this day, that I am the stubborn one! *begin to silently pray "Lord, don't let her find these posts at any point in the future!"*
        
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        rdy2rck
        April 19, 2008, 7:59 p.m.
        I was just nosey to make sure you were human:)
        
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        Mdiar
        April 19, 2008, 8:05 p.m.
        Human? Never! I'm a Gelgamek!
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvGD4Jp3_4I
        
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        rdy2rck
        April 19, 2008, 9:13 p.m.
        good "boobtube."
        
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      not2needy
      April 19, 2008, 8:05 p.m.
      Ranchhand, the reason i replied to rdy was because he made the comment that he didn't want abortion to become the first line of birth control.
      The reason you think i am trying is because i don't and won't be swayed to believe the way you all do, and i don't mind speaking my mind on ridiculous issues like women using abortion for birth control.
      Answer me one question... Why would any woman choose to pay several hunderd dollars for periodic abortions, when they can get patches, pills, IUD's and various other forms of birth control on their insurance, medicaid or from clinics?
      Then you wonder why i am so trying!! Do you ever think about how trying you may be at times, regardless of whether i like/love or hated you???
      
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        rdy2rck
        April 19, 2008, 8:31 p.m.
        I misunderstood your previous statement n2n. But respectfully there are plenty of what I term "abortion factories" in this country and many,many are free.To answer your question why about pills, etc. I don't know. It doesn't make sense.
        I can't quote stats or show websites it will take me months to search but I know what's a fact. Doesn't make sense but it is.And abortion is already a first line method of birth control in many areas of cities.
        Maybe somebody that can search that wants can look these things up.
        This isn't stats but where I volunteer I hear it all the time, "If I get pregnant I can always get an abortion."
        If my statements weren't true why would there be millions of abortions be done every year in the U.S.?Don't Know
        
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        Mdiar
        April 19, 2008, 8:38 p.m.
        Not sure about any bias on this site, I just did a quick Google search and the first one that had the statistics was definitely an anti-abortion site, so I went on to the next one I found that didn't seem to have any bias.
        http://www.mccl.org/abortion_statistics.htm
        NM, going to the homepage it has an anti-abortion bias after finding what mccl means. I'm to lazy to find a non-biased site with easy to see stats now, sorry. Every single site I saw seemed to have some bias of some kind on the Google search, or the potential for one.
        
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        rdy2rck
        April 19, 2008, 8:39 p.m.
        Thanks Mdiar. Seems like a lote of abortions not to be birth control.But this is one of those hot button issues that people will believe what they want including me.
        
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        Mdiar
        April 19, 2008, 8:41 p.m.
        Yup, definitely is. I tend to look at it as if its not my kid, it doesn't concern me.
        
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        rdy2rck
        April 19, 2008, 8:53 p.m.
        It's easy to put on the back shelve when not faced with it.I saw a 15 week old fetus once and don't care what anyone says it was a baby.
        
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        Mdiar
        April 19, 2008, 9 p.m.
        My mother had an abortion and also had a miscarriage in her life. My ex, whom I mentioned earlier, was raped when she was young and is unable to have children and wants them quite badly. As she is one of the sweetest people in the world, I despise abortion when its used as a form of birth control when she is unable to have something she wants badly in this. Its not really one of those things I keep on the back shelf. My feelings on this issue have come after my own personal reflection on it and I finally decided I don't have the right to tell a person what to do or not to do in there life unless asked or unless it involves me in some way.
        
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        rdy2rck
        April 19, 2008, 9:09 p.m.
        Sad story but that's why I said I don't know if I have a right to tell someone else what to do except in the comment below.Abortion sure is a complex issue isn't it.
        
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        Mdiar
        April 19, 2008, 9:13 p.m.
        Yes, a very complex one... which is why I eventually decided on what I did, I can't stop someone and no law will stop someone from doing this if they really want to. After the fact no punishment to the mother or doctor would make me feel better or reverse what happened.
        
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        MajJohn
        April 20, 2008, 2:43 p.m.
        I thought the abortion issue is one of those push button issues we turn to when we're bitter because we have no control over the economy.
        
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        rdy2rck
        April 21, 2008, 12:31 p.m.
        Good one MJ
        
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        not2needy
        April 19, 2008, 8:52 p.m.
        rdy, i believe what you say about women having abortions, but i will say, they aren't free here. As i said... i know 4 women who have had abortions, i never inquired why they did it, but i know they did. Everyone of them had to pay hundreds of dollars for their abortions, and this was in the 80's, i can only imagine what they are now. NO WONDER women there would use abortion as birth control, if their free.
        In fact, abortions are so expensive here, many girls have the babies and them put them in dumpsters, or put them in plastic bags and put them in public restroom trash cans, bury them and one put her newborn on a curb in a parking lot. They are on our news here all the time. It's sad.
        Personally, i would never have had an abortion, as it is God only blessed me with one child. I take something like that seriously, HOWEVER, if a woman is a victim of rape or incest, i think she should be allowed to decide whether she wants to have the baby.
        
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        rdy2rck
        April 19, 2008, 9:04 p.m.
        Well here I know of three that are free but are in the ghetto.I believe in abortion for rape and incest AND if the womens life is in danger.No sense in 2 dying.I also agree with the part about going back to the stone ages and the back alley approach.That's generally how I saw a fetus.
        I think we agree except maybe the point that free abortion clinics do exist but aren't enough to handle the demand. You learn a lot living in a ghetto for a month.I will amend my statement that the clinics are "ability to pay" and that's thrown a loop with teens not needing parental consent.
        I'll throw another controversy out.If I was a responsible father and married I think I have a right in the decision also.It's the womens body but my baby too.Although I can't imagine physically stopping her.
        See what civil discussion brings:)
        
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        not2needy
        April 19, 2008, 9:43 p.m.
        Rdy, when i was a social worker, i knew about all the resources in the Louisville area because we had to know where and what was available to our clients. There are no free abortion clinics here, anywhere, if there was i would know about it, simply because of the job i held. I also know that unless a pregnancy is a danger to a woman's life, and her Dr recommends abortion, she cannot get an abortion on medicaid, so the tax payers are not paying for abortions through medicaid.
        I think it's sad that there are free abortion clinics anywhere, i am not for abortion, only on rare occasions. I just hate that Liberals are labeled baby killers, when the majority of us feel the same way i do.
        
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        rdy2rck
        April 20, 2008, 9:42 a.m.
        Oh I agree about "liberal" being labelled baby killers and don't like it and I remember quite well your former job.I do not condone labelling. I get labelled sometimes as "the Christian Right" if I mention I'm a Christian at times.
        I also knew about taxpayers not paying for abortions. Liberals and conservatives i suspect if the truth be known are probably more near the middle. Just a guess.
        But it is a fact that in many cities Planned Parenthood helps fund what I call "abortion factories"(maybe harsh but that's a IMO) to provide low cost or free abortions.
        
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        ranchhand
        April 19, 2008, 11:13 p.m.
        n2n you sure your husband stays married to you because he loves you Or is he just scared ******tless to leave.
        
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        not2needy
        April 19, 2008, 11:25 p.m.
        He LOVES me, and he also agrees with me!!!! Not because he's scared, but because he's a DEMOCRAT!! YAY
        
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    TOD396
    April 19, 2008, 11:32 p.m.
    "Abortions aren't used as birth control! I can't believe that there is even ONE woman on this planet that would choose to use it that way."
    If abortions aren't used as birth control, then what are they done for? Women have abortions over 90 percent of the time, because they wound up getting pregnant and they don't want the child. They abort the child. How is that not birth control? I can vaguely agree with you that it is not birth control, but instead it is murder. I am sure you don't view the ending of the life of an unborn child as murder though.
    McCain probably isn't the strongest anti-abortion candidate, but he is more supportive of the issue than Hill or Bama.
    Women need to stop using the "choice" platform for keeping the systematic murder of over a million kids a year from happening. I still feel strongly in a woman's right to choose, I just disagree as to when the choice is to be made.
    
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  NoWayMan
  April 19, 2008, 11:35 p.m.
  does anyone want abortion to be the first line choice of birth control?
  (and please, no ridiculous replies about how leftys love abortions. cause that's just stupid. especially since so many rightys are having abortions)
  if you're personally against abortion, but still think the decision about abortion and what a woman can do with her own body is up to the woman and her doctor and none of your business, then you're pro-choice.
  
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    rdy2rck
    April 20, 2008, 11:59 a.m.
    That sounds like a reasonable definition NWM.
    
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AlphaGnosis
April 19, 2008, 5:53 p.m.
Nice endorsement.

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  rdy2rck
  April 19, 2008, 5:55 p.m.
  Agreed. I just read where the chinese "abortion police" took a women whose water broke and "aborted?" it and something just makes me gasp in horror.
  When does a "fetus" become a baby?Scary
  
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    libsRfunny
    April 19, 2008, 6:13 p.m.
    "When does a "fetus" become a baby?Scary"
    That's why I am against late-term and partial-birth abortion. I don't mind abortion in general, but get it done early if at all.
    And, USE BIRTH CONTROL!!!!! Condoms should be used at all times unless trying to have a baby, anyway.
    
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      rdy2rck
      April 19, 2008, 7:34 p.m.
      I can't imagine a third trimester abortion.The only reason I said I'm confused when life begins(but I think my heart stills lies at conception) is when I see my aunt with Alzheimers and think about stem cell research BUT I also think where will it stop.
      A teen aborting a third trimester BABY without parental consent.NO.
      
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    AlphaGnosis
    April 19, 2008, 6:58 p.m.
    Life begins at conception.
    
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  Mdiar
  April 19, 2008, 8:25 p.m.
  Quite true, a powerful endorsement. However, I tend to believe that this group would have voted for McCain anyway, if they voted at all. Overall number of voters actually swayed to change how they vote because of this? Small. Endorsements, I've noticed, tend to have very little impact in US politics.
  
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    rdy2rck
    April 19, 2008, 9:11 p.m.
    A political statement. I think McCains getting around to shoring up support from the Christian right.
    
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      Mdiar
      April 19, 2008, 9:29 p.m.
      I have to agree. But, like I said, it was all to be expected anyway. It doesn't really change the overall equation at all, for the general election. It was always a given that the GOP would get the pro-life vote.
      
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      not2needy
      April 20, 2008, 12:42 a.m.
      rdy, there's also a Christian Left, in fact most of my closest friends are Democrats, but all of them are Christians. ;) I never knew there were as many atheists as there were until i started participating in Prop, however they are still the minority, a small minority too.
      McCain didn't even have a minister to endorse him, he had to seek out Hagee because being a republican, it was expected that he would have some sort of religious backing.
      
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        rdy2rck
        April 20, 2008, 9:55 a.m.
        I agree 100% with you on this one n2n and it kind of makes me "quesy" if that's the right word that McCain feels he needs a preacher if I put this right.
        I have many people particularly about Obama and Romney say but he's a Muslim or a Mormon of all affiliations.So?If they're a blue colored atheist makes no differance to me as long as they uphold the constitution and let me peacefully worship in the manner I choose.Unfortunately not all see it that way.
        My point is yours, left,right,right or wrong,green or blue most people in this country at least affiliate with the word 'Christian."
        
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not2needy
April 19, 2008, 6:13 p.m.
Of course they endorse McCain, everyone knows the libs just love killing babies! NOT!

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  ranchhand
  April 19, 2008, 7:31 p.m.
  grrrrrrrrr...
  
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    not2needy
    April 19, 2008, 8:07 p.m.
    LMAO!
    Sometimes i am glad i don't know any of you personally, i can feel cold fingers around my throat just thinking about it. HAHAHAHAHAHA!
    
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      rdy2rck
      April 19, 2008, 8:41 p.m.
      Come on n2n. I wouldn't choke the s--t out of you. Maybe something else but not that.LMAO
      
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        not2needy
        April 19, 2008, 8:53 p.m.
        lol, i really get under ranchies skin, but i know why, and he knows it!
        
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        rdy2rck
        April 19, 2008, 9:17 p.m.
        Well, I'll give you 2 thumbs up, you're good at it.ROFLMAO.
        Just wait till the nasties show up on this post. They must have a life and are out for the evening:)
        
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        Mdiar
        April 19, 2008, 9:20 p.m.
        I'm not even started for the night until midnight ;)
        
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        not2needy
        April 19, 2008, 9:55 p.m.
        rdy,
        I don't try to be trying! It's not why i come on Prop, to see who i can pizz off today. However, people don't realize that i see their views as trying too. There isn't a more redundant trying human on Prop than ani, but i don't follow her around telling her how trying she is. We disagree, she says things that amazes me sometimes, but she pays for her internet just like i do, and has the right to her opinion.
        I have been told over and over on Prop that because i am a liberal, i support killing babies. I don't support killing babies, i don't know any decent human being that does, i would never have had an abortion, but i am told constantly, by cons on here, that because i am a liberal i support killing babies! And then i am told i am trying because i don't agree!
        Cons way or the highway!
        
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        rdy2rck
        April 20, 2008, 10:13 a.m.
        I hope I'm not coming across that way n2n because I consider you a "true" friend and look how often we disagree.But I know where you're coming from.That doesn't mean I won't change my mind based on logic.But I get it opposite usually from the people you do because just because I agree with a certain individual(You know who:))and her "friends" and it's sad AND it gets subtle and petty I'm finding out.
        Lately being nosey since I add on anyone as friend basically, I've had some disagree and go back and retract a vote for a song post I made.Petty.And you and most folks even know that I'm not right always etc,am not an "attack" person and consider friend anyone I can discuss civilly unless hatred,racism or bigotry are involved.I wish more people were like us n2n everywhere.I'm not "us" or "them" I am me and it's fine to disagree with MY opinions peacefully and I certainly understand your frustrations.
        
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    HOUSEMD
    April 19, 2008, 11:27 p.m.
    RanchHand and N2N my thoughts on love and hate.......
    "There is not a thin line between love and hate. There is- in fact - a Great Wall of China with armed sentries posted every 20 feet between love and hate."
    
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      ranchhand
      April 20, 2008, 3:20 p.m.
      Well I hope If you shoot, Aim for the woman. LOL
      
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jordan11
April 19, 2008, 6:41 p.m.
Well there's a surprise, LOL!

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AlphaGnosis
April 19, 2008, 7:35 p.m.
National Right to Life legislative affairs director Karen Cross explains her organization's decision:

"Senator John McCain has a solid voting record against abortion, and has cast 31 pro-life votes since 1997," Cross says. "He voted against endorsing Roe v. Wade, and believes it should be overturned."

According to Cross, the Arizona senator's voting record on judicial nominations also played a role in the pro-life group's decision. "In addition, he voted to confirm justices [Samuel] Alito and [John] Roberts. National Right to Life is grateful for these votes."

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AlphaGnosis
April 19, 2008, 7:36 p.m.
"In contrast, adds the NRTL spokeswoman, Senators Obama and Clinton both have "strong positions and voting records in favor of abortion on demand -- and support only the appointment of Supreme Court justices who favor Roe v. Wade."

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rdy2rck
April 19, 2008, 7:42 p.m.
Plus, using abortion as birth control where is the deterrance and responsibility.

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automan909
April 19, 2008, 8:38 p.m.
Obama voted against laws that would make partial birth abortions illegal.
Without that law babies are being murdered after they are born alive.
He is a very sick man to be against that law.

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  rdy2rck
  April 19, 2008, 8:44 p.m.
  I agree but also will state that I am a believer by abiding by the constitution whether I agree or not. Changes to amendments should be by peaceful means.
  It makes me just as sick when an abortion clinic is bombed.Murder does not justify murder.
  
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    MajJohn
    April 20, 2008, 3:51 p.m.
    Murder does not justify murder, so you think this is always true? The word "murder" suggests an illegal act, the word "kill" doesn't. So say, rather, the killing of one never justifies the killing of another. Sounds better? How about the killing of one to prevent the deaths of two or more? Sound even better? To prevent the deaths and suffering of thousands? Sounds even better? Almost nice? You see where we go when we go down the slippery slope of abortion. I too am a Constitutionalist and the right to an abortion is not part of the constitution in my view.
    
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      rdy2rck
      April 20, 2008, 6:20 p.m.
      let's see if this post sticks. I can't debate wording because I'm no good at it.LOL But I agree. Doesn't the word "fetus" sound better than 'Baby" when it comes to abortion.
      I may have been blind a while, but a new translation in English of the Bible says "Thou shall not do murder" instead of "Thou shalt not Kill." Big differance.
      
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bugluver
April 19, 2008, 8:43 p.m.
As sad as it is it is used as a form of birth control
When I was younger and dumber I dated this girl and we were talking and she said "don't worry if you ever got me pregnant you would never know I'd just get rid of it like the last times" at the moment the comment flew right past my hormone filled young boy ears but the comment has haunted me for years

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  rdy2rck
  April 19, 2008, 8:46 p.m.
  Sad but true. I've heard that many times and don't understand. When i was young you had to find condoms in gas station bathrooms. Now you can get them anywhere so easy.
  Be at peace.
  
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    AlphaGnosis
    April 19, 2008, 8:59 p.m.
    I think it's just the fact that these woman don't start out seriously saying, "Hey, if I get pregnant, then there's always the abortion option". I think it's just the fact that they get careless when they're having sex and when they get pregnant, they end up using abortion as a last resort. Sad as it is, it's still a method of birth control. Not an intentional one, but one nonetheless. And what's even sadder is bugluver's case, when they do intentionally use it as birth control.
    
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      rdy2rck
      April 19, 2008, 9:19 p.m.
      You are correct AG but still believe abortion is both a "measure" and a bad attitude.
      
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    Endoscopy
    April 19, 2008, 9:13 p.m.
    The problem with condoms is they work 14 out of 15 times according to Consumer Reports. Some STD's go right through them.
    
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      rdy2rck
      April 19, 2008, 9:21 p.m.
      You are absolutely correct endo and deepens the overall birth control issue. As far as I know the only 100% method of std prevention is don't do it.
      
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icono1
April 19, 2008, 9:54 p.m.
Interesting endorsement.

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Howtogo
April 19, 2008, 10:41 p.m.
Who else could they endorse? The other two want the right to kill an unborn child on demand to continue.

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  rdy2rck
  April 20, 2008, 11:31 a.m.
  They both are on record in support of Roe vs. Wade
  
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    Howtogo
    April 20, 2008, 7:41 p.m.
    That is what I said! Just in a real life scenario.
    
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automan909
April 20, 2008, 10:44 a.m.
Obama endorses killing when they are already born alive.
He would not sign a bill to prevent it.

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  rdy2rck
  April 20, 2008, 11:31 a.m.
  That's the first I heard that one to be honest.
  
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automan909
April 20, 2008, 10:47 a.m.
Just like when someone saves a life from a mugging or a rape by shooting the bad guy to stop it, I have no problem when a baby killing operation gets blown up.

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tchef
April 20, 2008, 10:59 a.m.
This endorsement alone will keep me from voting for him.

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  rdy2rck
  April 20, 2008, 11:33 a.m.
  Your opinion is respected by me although I disagree except for me I have know idea what I'm gonna do about voting.
  
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