Politics – Few Republicans were more caustic when it came to John McCain's candidacy in the GOP presidential primary than former Sen. Rick Santorum. He castigated McCain on the issues - immigration, global warming, gay marriage and embryonic stem cell research, to name just a few. Today, however, Santorum makes the case in the Philadelphia Inquirer for why co
RICK SANTORUM BEFORE:
http://weblogs.chicagotribune.com/news/politics...
"On social conservative issues, you point to me one time John McCain ever took the floor of the United States Senate to talk about a social conservative issue. It never happened. I mean, this is a guy who says he believes in these things, but I can tell you, inside the room, when we were in these meetings, there was nobody who fought harder not to have these votes before the United States Senate on some of the most important social conservative issues, whether it's marriage or abortion or the like. He always fought against us to even bring them up, because he was uncomfortable voting for them.
McCain looks at the world through the eyes of the New York Times editorial board. If you're a Republican, if you're a Republican in the broadest sense, there is only one place to go right now and that's Mitt Romney."
RICK SANTORUM AFTER:
http://www.philly.com/inquirer/opinion/17966064...
"Anyone who has heard me talk about the presidential race over the last few months knows that I've had, shall we say, some serious reservations about John McCain's candidacy.
McCain is clearly the candidate with the capacity, judgment, experience and will to confront America's enemies. And, yes, McCain has been a thorn in the side of many of us who supported important appropriations earmarks for our states. But he's always objected with principled consistency."
MITT ROMNEY BEFORE:
http://newsasgossip.blogspot.com/2008/02/romney...
"Mere weeks after calling John McCain dishonest, liberal and unworthy of the Republican nomination, Mitt Romney has once again changed positions."
MITT ROMNEY AFTER:
"In these times, what we need is someone dishonest, liberal, and unworthy enough to succeed the great President George W. Bush, which is why I am endorsing John McCain for President."
LOL
ALPHAGNOSIS:
http://politics.propeller.com/story/2008/01/16/...
"McCain supports amnesty for illegal aliens, was behind the Gang of 14, is a gun grabber, opposed the Bush tax cuts, ran roughshod over the Constitution with McCain-Feingold Campaign Finance Reform, opposes a Constitutional amendment to protect marriage, was rumored to be considering switching parties multiple times, talked with John Kerry about being his VP, lines up with the global warming alarmists, wants to close Gitmo, wants to coddle captured terrorists."
http://politics.propeller.com/story/2008/01/16/...
"You can feel secure in voting FOR Fred Thompson and Mitt Romney."
http://politics.propeller.com/story/2008/01/16/...
"I predict that McCain will lose a few points after his loss Tues. night and Fred will gain a few more."
ALPHAGNOSIS AGAIN:
http://politics.propeller.com/story/2008/01/16/...
"In other words, we're talking about a man who could fairly be called a Rockefeller Republican, a Country Club Republican, a RINO, or just a toweringly arrogant, out of touch D.C. insider who seems to assume that any position he takes is right solely because he happens to hold it. However, what John McCain cannot fairly be called is a conservative.
If John McCain becomes the Republican Party's nominee, you have to think conservatives will become utterly despondent."
http://politics.propeller.com/story/2008/01/16/...
"Or how about McLame? "
http://politics.propeller.com/story/2008/01/14/...
"By any reasonable definition, McCain's recipe constitutes amnesty. It allows nearly all illegal aliens to remain permanently in America."
You're so right on with this, and to be completely honest with you, i couldn't believe how the people on Propeller flipped around so fast in order to justify McCain, just the way Santorum has.
My self formed opinion is, they will vote for anyone as long as there is an R beside their name rather than cross a party line. I know a lot of cons, and crossing a party line is NOT an option.
Well, to be fair not2needy, we Christian Cosnervatives dont see politics as an option.
Its our religion.
In our hierarchy of Sainted Ones, Ronald Reagan represents the second comin of Christ.
Ronnie is responsible for the sunshine and the song birds!! TWEET TWEET!
Goerge W. Bush is liek our Martin Luther, represents the official break from spirituality to gettin our minds right bout politics.
McCain is a tough one. We positioned him as a Judas for bout 8 years or so. But lately, hes been recantin at the alter of 'gettin his mind right.
So we Christian Cosnervatives, bein a forgivin kind are considerin bringin Johnny back into the fold.
n2n - It's not all that difficult to comprehend why the purportedly staunch conservative republican values neoclowns on Propeller have flipped and flopped as much as they have over supporting McCain and are now singing his praises where before they were castigating him. They're HYPOCRITES!
This is why you can see them spinning Hillary's win in Pennsylvania yesterday as a "blow-out" when it was not even close to being one because they believe that she is their only chance for a Republican victory in November.
Hillary went into Pa with a better than 20 point lead and squeaked out a 10 point victory - hardly earth shattering when you consider that even before the Pa primary she needed to win all of the remaining primaries and caucuses by better than a 60% margin and fell short yesterday.
John Q -- There's math to electoral results that I don't understand. A 55/45 win is considered pretty significant. Get over 60% of the vote and the media calls it a "mandate". Maybe that's the reality of the election world, but it sounds more to me like "You won, but don't dance in the streets." Guess I just don't understand elections.
For one thing six weeks ago, when Clinton had a 20 point lead in Pa. polls, her handlers and her husband all said if she didn't have double-digit lead in Pa, she would have to drop out. She did not really get the double digit lead. The reason is it is impossible for her to even tie Obama in delegates overall unless she gets at least 60 percent of the vote. That means straws are being reached for, which is to be expected, however there is no way to legitimately win for her. It will have to be my manipulating the rules of the game, the fact that she continues means just that...willing to cheat to win the game. Which sadly makes me put her in the bag with Bush in the sense that integrity ain't part of the deal.
N2N the cons hate change. It is the essence of all conservative thought- no change. Keep established social orders, institutions, and organizations.
They are a lock-step group and they want everyone to march to their masters orders. Progressives are the opposite. They question the ways of the past, never seem to be marching in lock step, as the only things they have in common is a high regard for individual rights, social justice, and personal freedom. Progressives tend to look for new solutions to problems rather than rely on the past methods. Santorum is among the nations leading imbeciles.
MORE ALPHAGNOSIS:
http://politics.propeller.com/story/2008/01/16/...
"Hey did yall hear this? lol, too funny:
McCain 'is the classic opportunist--he's always reaching for attention. Other POWs won't even sit at the same table with him.
Perot's real problem with McCain is that he believes the senator hushed up evidence that live POWs were left behind in Vietnam and transferred to the Soviet Union for human experimentation. Perot claims, 'McCain was adamant about shutting down anything to do with recovering POWs.'
lmao, Perot is swiftboating John McCain."
http://politics.propeller.com/story/2008/01/14/...
"McCain has one of the worst grades of any Republican Senator concerning immigration. His overall career and recent Americans for Better Immigration grades are both Ds. On amnesty, he earns F. His congressional record on immigration ABI calls "abysmal."
One thing you gotta be clear bout AlphaGnosis, she consistently picks the rong candidate.
First it was Giuliani. (Actually, first it was GW from when she called herself luvmyprez).
Then it was Thompson.
Then it was Romney. ...
Now, of course, its yet another loser ... our Johnny McCain. Or as aniokeley used to call him ... the traitor. (nice, eh)
All these air-balls from her is why I started to callin her OMEGA-Gnosis. I dint think she could, in good conscience have her avatar reference FIRST-knowledge.
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LMAO!!!....excellent record of the cons statements...before they caved on their "concrete principles".
Ain't propeller great?
Feel free to join in the fun, MNTNMAN. Here are some of ANIOKLY's greatest hits:
ANIOKLY:
http://donoevil.propeller.com/story/2008/01/18/...
The fact that McCain had made the tasteless joke was reported in major newspapers, as was the vain attempt by his press secretary to initially deny what McCain had done. But in several major newspapers, the joke itself was kept a secret. McCain subsequently apologized.
ANIOKLY: "What makes you think McCain is such a "nice guy?" That joke was in all the rabid right wing papers, and magazines I read, and they denounced him. I wasn't on line at the time. Candidates say what they think the people they are with want to hear."
http://politics.propeller.com/story/2007/04/12/...
ANIOKLY: "Oh Please. McCain will be 72 years old soon. Plus he is on the wrong side of the Immigration issue."
MORE ANIOKLY:
http://politics.propeller.com/story/2008/01/16/...
ANIOKLY: "Why would any Republican vote for this man, John McCain? Democrats, and the liberal media are falling all over themselves for this man.That should be the first clue not to vote for him. He should be running on the Democrat ticket."
MORE ANIOKLY:
http://newsquake.netscape.com/tag/propeller/
ANIOKLY: "I believe most of the values voters will accept Rudy, warts and all. He is the best qualified, an administrator, not a legislator."
http://politics.propeller.com/story/2008/02/03/...
ANIOKLY: "What will stop McCain is his past stand on Amnesty. He is losing California, his home state of Arizona, and probably Texas. That is enough to put his nomination in jeopardy. God forbid Hillary has to run against a scandal free opponent. Woohoo!!"
http://politics.propeller.com/story/2008/01/30/...
ANIOKLY: "McCain is old. He needs a young Vice President. He is not going to get the Romney supporters after he drops out, but he might could pick up Giulianis if they cut a deal."
MORE ANIOKLY:
http://202.108.100.164:8080/gate/big5/politics....
ANIOKLY: "McCain is also having a difficult time in Arizona. If he loses Arizona, his home state, and California he will lose all the border states. He should not have been so arrogant after a couple little wins. It helps his opponents to have Mark Levin, and Rush ucovering factors in McCains background, but someone has to do it, and it won't be the MSM."
MORE ANIOKLY:
http://politics.propeller.com/story/2008/01/10/...
"The November election is too important to give to someone, because it is "their turn." We must hold the W H, and take back the House, and Senate. This will be a Historic election in many ways, not the least of which it could let us choose from 3 New Yorkers. We don't need a "nice guy" We need a man who will kick A$s, and take names.
That man is Rudy."
ANIOKLY:..."Al-Qaida set the Cal wildfires".
LMAO!!
http://politics.propeller.com/story/2008/01/19/...
TANGLANG: "Hey Ranch, Better Immigration rates Huckabee pretty good when it comes to the invasion. I'd much rather give him a shot thatn John Mccain."
http://politics.propeller.com/story/2008/01/19/...
WOLFIE: "McCain wins South Carolina......boo hiss!!!"
TANGLANG: "Don't worry Wolfie, Huck came in second."
http://politics.propeller.com/story/2008/03/04/...
TANGLANG: "We're stuck between two communists, and McAmnesty."
http://politics.propeller.com/story/2007/03/12/...
TANGLANG: "I would vote for Thompson before most other republicans currently running."
http://news.propeller.com/story/2007/12/11/romn...
TANGLANG: "As for Romney and Huckabee, Romney is out of his league. Mike Huckabee is by far the best candidate running on either side. The only other candidate that even comes close is Duncan Hunter."
http://politics.propeller.com/story/2007/11/18/...
SONOFTHEMASK: "McCain is a good man, but I think he's past his prime. I admire his perseverance and his service to our country, but I don't know about his capacity to be President for four years. I'm starting to listen to Mike Huckabee. I didn't know him that well. He seems like a straight shooter and a good guy. Some won't like his strong Christian background, but that is a plus for me personally."
http://politics.propeller.com/story/2008/01/22/...
SONOFTHEMASK: "Thompson poached votes from Huckabee. Whether or not it was deliberate to help McCain, I don't know, but I do know that McCain and Thompson are big wigs among the Republican old guard, so it wouldn't surprise me."
MORE ALPHAGNOSIS:
http://politics.propeller.com/story/2008/01/10/...
"McCain's baggage: To assuage his guilt over the "Keating 5" scandal, the unconstitutional McCain-Feingold bill was proposed and is now law.
And then there was the infamous Gang of 14 to prevent the Senate from reversing the unconstitutional practice (rule) of requiring 60 votes for approval of court nominees.
Oh, and the hundreds of appearances on the Sunday TV shows trashing fellow Republicans, not voting for Bush's tax cuts, and the most egregious of all, the arrogance of trying to ram a back room immigration/amnesty deal down our throats.
A President McCain would sign any immigration bill the Democrat Congress passes, regardless of what he says in the campaign."
http://politics.propeller.com/story/2008/01/10/...
"I know he's 71 years old but can he talk any sloooower? Spit it out, John!"
MORE ALPHAGNOSIS:
http://tech.propeller.com/story/2007/01/11/digg...
10 January, 2007, 04:21 PM
ALPHAGNOSIS: "Yes, I am the artist formerly known as luvmyprez."
http://politics.propeller.com/story/2008/02/13/...
MORE ALPHAGNOSIS:
http://politics.propeller.com/story/2008/01/16/...
ALPHAGNOSIS: "McCain supports amnesty for illegal aliens, was behind the Gang of 14, is a gun grabber, opposed the Bush tax cuts, ran roughshod over the Constitution with McCain-Feingold Campaign Finance Reform, opposes a Constitutional amendment to protect marriage, was rumored to be considering switching parties multiple times, talked with John Kerry about being his Vice-President, lines up with the global warming alarmists, wants to close Gitmo, wants to coddle captured terrorists -- you can go on and on with this."
HDHEHN: "$100 says AlphaGnosis will still vote for McCain if McCain wins the R nomination. And running "roughshod over the Constitution" is nothing new for you and the Bush ilk."
http://politics.propeller.com/story/2008/01/16/...
ALPHAGNOSIS: "In other words, we're talking about a man who could fairly be called a Rockefeller Republican, a Country Club Republican, a RINO, or just a toweringly arrogant, out of touch D.C. insider who seems to assume that any position he takes is right solely because he happens to hold it. However, what John McCain cannot fairly be called is a conservative.
If John McCain becomes the Republican Party's nominee, you have to think conservatives will become utterly despondent."
http://politics.propeller.com/story/2008/01/16/...
TRUZEEKER: "new anti-campaign slogan..."McCain the Insane"
ALPHAGNOSIS: "How about McLame?"
BRONXBOMBER: "or "McShame" for that matter..."
ZIEGFELDGIRL: "..McInane? That's the word that came to mind when I heard his last speech."
ALPHAGNOSIS: "You actually sat through it? I can't remember if it was him or me that kept dozing off."
MORE ALPHAGNOSIS:
http://politics.propeller.com/story/2008/01/10/...
"If I had to listen to John speak for four long years, I would go absolutely bonkers."
I have been hearing about the sharp elbow jabs that will come up when we get to the general election.
There has been a lot of talk that Obama can not play basketball with the big boys.
The litany of his faults keeps repeating itself.
There will be no need (and I think it would be wrong) to "Swiftboat" McCain and I think Obama will nip any attempts in the bud.
There is a plethora of elbow stabs directed at McCain by his own party. No need to reach back to when he was 8 years old. A 10 year window would provide a new quote every day attributed to the heroes of the Republican party.
It hardly seems fair.
ANIOKLY:
http://politics.propeller.com/story/2008/01/13/...
"McCain won one primary. So did Huckabee, and soon Romney will win Michigan. It means nothing."
DANMLIBERALS:
http://politics.propeller.com/story/2008/01/21/...
"I think Mccain has a hard time sipping tea since he had his arms broken backwards in Vietnam."
AMAZED:
http://politics.propeller.com/story/2008/02/21/...
"you guys should give McCain a pass -- after all, he generally supports the liberal social agenda"
If McCain chooses to say anything to win the presidency, he willfully turned his back upon every vet who served! Since when did this country back torturers and liars? Just who the "Flock" came up with this garbage you call "patriotism?"
When I served, had anybody...ANY DAMNED MAN told me to torture another, we had a simply response. Any of you so-called Americans ever hear of "Zippo?" That was a grunts way to keep the peace within the ranks! I won't bother you to define "Zippin'," but bet your sweet ass that "mark" would be sent home post haste in a damned bodybag. IF we want to be called "civilized," throw those bottom-feeders in hell and close the door!
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Not more than a few months ago, Republicans hurled insults at McCain for his betrayal of Republicans, particularly with regards to social conservative issues. But politics makes for strange bedfellows. Now that McCain has virtually tied up the Republican nomination, some of the most ardent anti-McCain bashers have flip flopped to become vocal McCain supporters.
This thread is for exposing the most egregious and the most laughable flip floppers.
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080421/perlstein
"Back when the Republican presidential race was still competitive, the insults against John McCain from leading conservative voices were extravagant. Since then, they have had to reverse course. Such are the strange McCain contortions Republicans have been forcing themselves into in recent weeks. "
I invite anyone to help expose the hypocrisy of these flip floppers. Here, I'll start.