Politics – Phillip Butler: "John McCain is a long-time acquaintance of mine that goes way back to our time together at the U.S. Naval Academy and as Prisoners of War in Vietnam, but there are a number of reasons why I will not vote for him for President.
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Nor will I.
Me, neither!
Ron Paul is my choice. He is not part of the
"special interest 3"
http://www.dailypaul.com
he is the most capable and deserving candidate.
The problem is voting for Ron Paul may give John McCain the edge as Ralph Nader did in 2000 for the evil occupying the White House
Don't worry engineer people have no idea why they should vote for Ron Paul... Maybe when the dollar is going to worth the paper that it is printed on maybe than, but not now...
Any self respecting Ron Paul supporter would not vote for anybody else anyway so no harm there for you either.
oh yea : no McCain he** NO!
Here are some other recent and interesting stories about McCain.
Economists Slam McCain's Gas Tax Holiday As Bad Idea
http://politics.propeller.com/story/2008/04/30/...
McCain Repeatedly Votes Against Inproving Veteran Healthcare and GI Bill
http://politics.propeller.com/story/2008/04/29/...
I won't vote for John McCain either.
But not because he was a "wild man" - not because he graduated low in his class, - not because he has a temper or may be unstable as a result of being tortured and imprisoned.
Unlike Neocon scumsuckers, I don't care what his wife does, what his minister says, or what he does or does not do in church or in the bedroom. What he eats, what he wears, or how he combs his hair does not matter to me. I'll leave that stuff to the cross waving, bible thumping patriots to worry about.
I won't vote for him because he has stated that he wants to continue on the path that GWB has taken for the past 7 years. He wants to perpetuate Bush philosophy and policy. We are at the nadir of our national disgrace. To continue on this path is suicidal at best.
I'll vote the issues, not the individual candidate.
I read the Constitution of the United States of America last night, something Dumbya is UNABLE to do.
I read the Constitution of the United States of America last night, something Dumbya is UNABLE to do.
Then you won't vote for Hillary and Barack Housein Obama either. Also their are a lot of people that are going to vote for Hillary solely because she is a woman and a lot that are going to vote for Housein solely because he is black. These people are totally ignorant and should not be allowed to vote.
um big...I think Housein is some kind of chinese soy sauce you put on duck or something. It is not his middle name.
um big...I think Housein is some kind of chinese soy sauce you put on duck or something. It is not his middle name.
THE HELL IT ISN'T
um big...I think Housein is some kind of chinese soy sauce you put on duck or something. It is not his middle name.
THE HELL IT ISN'T. Whether you spell it Housein or Hussein, it pretty much sounds the same. Once a muslim, always a muslim.
Once an ignorant buffoon, ALWAYS AN IGNORANT BUFFOON!!
Once an ignorant buffoon, ALWAYS AN IGNORANT BUFFOON!!
No sir mamasan is correct, you are confused.
You people are the ones showing your extreme ignorance. That is his middle name. How can you be so stupid as to say it isn't.
No sir mamasan is correct, you are confused.
You are revealing that intelligence may not be your strong point.
Displying that you spread blatantly obvious fabrications is all you have succeeded in doing. Congratulations.
No, I'm voting for Barack because he is our only chance to
clean up bush's mess..
McCain will compound it and will be forced to make
decisions determined by the people who presently control Bush,
(if you have any doubt, wait till you see who he is forced to pick for VP)
Hillary will just blame Bush and rely on the same people who refuse to try different methods.
I think Barack will even call on Colin Powell, and unlike Bush, he'll listen to him!
This country is messed up on all counts.
BadJohn, race and gender are huge issues. As much as the nation's economy, use of resources and ability to set a course for the future. Race and gender are most personal, it's who you are. Voting on that issue goes to what the nation may need to change most, not words or stuff but on "being". Remember segregation giving way to integration? Suffrage movements had some fire but not like burn-baby-burn or the protests on the Alabama Campus. My point is, we saw all the ignorance that surfaced surrounding people demanding to be who they are, and those who wanted them to be a non-entity; to accept being disenfranchised for ignorant, greedy and selfish reasons. Congress is looking at an "equal pay" act to level the playing field for women at present. The enlightened person should know that because hateful acts are still here, voting on fundamental rights of life and liberty, to be who you are, by selecting a person you can identify with is a valid vote.
I won`t vote for McCain because he doesn`t wear a made-in China US flag pin, which means he`s a terrorist supporter.
lol.
I disagree. More than likely it will take votes away from Le Muffette Jr and if enough people finally open their eyes and see what a complete fallacy any vote for anyone else means there will be more of the problems we are currently facing, he just might get his chance.
While I will vote for Ron Paul, I may not agree with everything he wants to do, I do believe he would be better than the other three.
I think if Ron got his way, entirely and all at once, there would be a bit of chaos. He DOES have the best platform. And I can't find fault with MOST of what he says. We really NEED to put him in office - and then depend on Congress to slow down the process enough to prevent panic or chaos. I'm pretty sure they can handle that -- no matter WHO is in the majority.
And - an interesting observation: On the Netscape "main" page, there is an ongoing, informal "poll" on the candidates every week. Dr. Paul has been hanging on at around 16% - presumably the hard core group. Today, he is up to 21%. And, he made a fair showing in PA even though he didn't campaign much. I -suspect- that as the other candidates continue to reveal their many flaws and weaknesses, Dr. Paul is looking more, and more, like the "right guy" for the job.
Ron Paul vs Barak Obama
Strict Constitutionalist vs Populist
How could we lose? yet we can only dream...
actually obama has study and taught the constitution and promises to follow it
the 2 big probs i have with ron paul r while he says he is against govt intrusion,he has no prob with that govt controling a womans vagina
he is wrong in his rhetoric about going back to the gold standard...our gold has long ago been stolen so that would be economic chaos for america
Obama's voting record doesn't show he would follow the constitution too far...
Ron Paul would give the power over abortion back to the states. I am not a pro life loony but sure wouldn't want to be a mistake that had to be corrected...
Gold standards needed to stop the government to print as it pleases.
bla,
If we return to the gold standard, we'd be the only industrialized nation to do so to our own detriment.
What was it that Thomas Hardy wrote, "you can't go home again"? That's akin to you can't turn the clock back.
Please watch "The money masters" on google video.
It is a long movie but a life changer.
You may have seen "America: from freedom to fascism" both very educational.
bla- the interpretation of what the "general welfare" of citizens means is the only dispute you could have with Obama's record. Many feel that line was indeed included to allow for government to do the things that we as individuals want done.
National parks for instance. The FDA, all consumer protection agencies, etc. are not specifically created in the constitution yet most of us want these things. (Despite the republican chicanery of placing incompetent lap dogs in charge of these things, which is the real problem). If there were no food inspections, as mishandled as these agencies are our kids would have all been poisoned for the sake of a few greedy corporate bucks by now. No I think Obama's record shows he does in fact understand the constitution very very well.
"No I think Obama's record shows he does in fact understand the constitution very very well."
He keeps voting for funding an unconstitutional war, and then he doesn't show up when the Lieberman Iran resolution came up for vote. That Zbignew dude creeps the hell out of me. Also i do not want another war with Pakistan either...
What you miss about Ron Paul is that when he talks about abolishing government he talks about the federal one because it does not have competition, it is a totalitarian communistic one and it does what it pleases. (like starting wars and such)
But he can't win...
The reality is indeed that it is absolutely not possible for Paul to win. The electoral college decides the presidency, he simply can not win. I have protest voted before for candidates that I knew would not be a factor, with the country having taken a nose dive on every front and a candidate heII bent on continuing that course, I can not afford the luxury of using my vote as a protest that will help McCain continue the Bush fallacy. If you want to start working on helping the libertarian party become a viable national party that can actually participate realistically in a presidential election, I will help you, as soon as I'm sure no republican gets near the oval office in 08.
Ghost, I respectfully disagree, Muffette Jr. represents the owners of the republican party now. Paul's libertarianism is in direct opposition to what McCain represents, No one who would consider supporting McCain would be tempted to vote for Paul. There are however some serious problems with Paul. Why is he supported by Nazi groups, David Duke, and the KKK? (Well at least now I know why he is a republican).
When I first read about this, I thought it was a smear campaign, like the ones directed at Obama, but there are articles criticizing him for this dating all the way back to the 80s. He could have easily returned campaign contributions from Nazis if he didn't wish to be associated with them, his only defense was he claims someone on his staff wrote the words for him... but even at that...he signed off on them. I would look a little closer at this guy.
There is no problem with voting for Dr. Paul. Why would there be a problem with voting for the person you thought was best suited for the job? What will you do then? Cast a vote for someone you REALLY DO NOT want, just on the THEORY that you are helping to defeat someone you want even less? That's wack. I recommend: vote your choice - even if you have to write it in. At least that way you will be able to sleep soundly, and if the knucklehead you were THINKING about voting for as a "lesser evil" really screws the pooch - you will know you are NOT in any measure responsible.
As correct as your statement is joeblowe, the ugly truth of the matter is that any measure of responsability and integrity in this country, especially of late, has absolutely no reward what so ever and just helps the evil doers achieve their goals that much faster. The only reward for the integrity you speak of is to be labeled unpatriotic, if you dont agree, just try to openly question the so called patriot act and you will be attacked as though you were a super evil doer. The neocons or whoever it is, has this issue wrapped up way to tightly for anyone to be sucsesful at what you propose unless it is done collectively on such a massive scale that it would be impossible to cover up or subdue.
While you may be correct: APPEARING to be unpatriotic - as defined by the media and/or the TRUE traitors - certainly CAN get you criticized for being more perceptive and smarter than those who are doing the criticizing. The question remains: WHO CARES? Personally, I consider it a job well done if some idiot calls me unpatriotic because I rail against the un"Patriot Act" or the continuation of the occupation of Iraq, or think that yes, we really CAN do without the IRS. The REAL reward comes when you can perhaps convince someone that what you are saying maybe isn't "kooky" after all. Let's face it, a 20% write in (assuming John actually GETS the nomination) for Dr. Paul would send a VERY powerful message to Washington. Even the idiot MSM could hardly ignore it.
Also, if you are hoping for some sort of EXTERNAL reward for responsibility and integrity, you may have a long wait. Traditionally, the "reward" for those is INTERNAL; when YOU know you have done the right thing.
Unfortunately true, this mark twain quote sums it up best though..........In times of change, the Patriot is a scarce man; brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot
The problem with Ron Paul is some of his supporters that he has not returned contributions to or repudiate them. KKK and Nazi groups.
I haven't heard anything about that. If you aren't 100% sure of the source, I'd have to advise a high degree of suspicion that the story is false. I am quite confident that Dr. Paul is neither a white supremacist nor a Nazi. He HAS, in fact, made it absolutely clear that he is NOT a racist and considers each person on an INDIVIDUAL basis, regardless of color.
joe-
I recall that Dr. Paul was pressured to return money from some group as described. He did not return it. He accepted it graciously...and, why not? (I applaud him for not falling to the MSM pressure. the group that leads the masses.)
Rom Paul is the man the intelligent few see as the most valuable candidate. He will either win, or make a heavy dent.
His book is released today!!!
http://www.dailypaul.com
"The Revolution: A Manifesto"
Please check it out. It is in the top 10 bestseller list of Amazon...and, it was released just today.
Just bought 2 copies. Ron said he would keep that money so this guy will have that much less... Love his logic!
Yeah - I got the e-mail too. And you know, that's a point... why SHOULDN'T Ron KEEP money that has been sent to him from, well, PRACTICALLY anyone? Although he is - I'm confident - NOT a racist of any stripe, he IS in favor of the Constitution. And, as we know, many so-called hate groups DEPEND on the 1st Amendment to continue making their despicable views known. I should think they WOULD be in favor of Dr. Paul for President, even though he personally doesn't share their views. I'd say the only money he maybe should NOT keep would be money from identifiable sources that might tend to OPPOSE his platform. Like "the Fed" for example. After all - money doesn't care WHERE it comes from, and neither do the advertising outlets. I'd bet big bucks that Barry, Hillary, and John have ALL received money from people they don't personally agree with.
You can love his politics and his stances on the issues, but over the years there have been many stories here in Texas about Dr. No's attitudes about race and civil rights.
There are still a few of his newsletters still floating around that are unquestionably racist. Yeah yeah, we know, he claims that his staff wrote them. But why would his staff ghostwrite something unless it was in keeping with what they perceived were his own opinions and positions?
If Ron Paul ever became a serious enough candidate that the MSM and the opposition party started digging up stuff on him, he would be considered a modern David Duke or George Corley Wallace Jr.
Look at the crème de la crème of the ultra left lubrals this thread has brought forth trying to out do each other in their distain for anyone on the right.
It won't help, those that were going to vote for McCain still will none of you were even remotely on that list. However, there is plenty of doubt about Obama now with those on the edge and in the middle, have you seen his polls lately?
SLATE:
"have you seen his polls lately?"
Polls like this one showing BOTH Obama and Clinton currently beating McCain?
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/pr...
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008...
Yeah DAWGS I've seen polls. This one says that McCain is ahead of both your choices. I have to laugh, after the 7 years of hate from the left to 'ensure' an easy victory has been squandered by a party that hates so much they are tearing themselves apart at the seems, as well as giving the Republicans a glimmer of hope.
You beat your chest with such zeal yet. Your supposed strong choice is still trying to seal the deal in MAY! Your so-called sure deal doesn't look so certain at this point in time. Have faith, there is still time, one of your candidates will win 'eventually' and then your anger can be pointed at McCain and not be diluted with all the childish infighting within your party.
I don't know about you, but I lost all hope of a Republican win 8 years ago. History denotes that no party wins the presidency more than two times in a row. I want to personally thank the radicals within the Democrat party to be so hateful (even to your own) that you have given the Republicans a chance to possibly make some history of their own if they indeed win that third consecutive run at president.
The future lie within your own hands, if your side loses it's the fault of the Democrat party and their allegiance with every radical left wing group in the nation. Democrats, your 'Chickens' have come home to roost. I suggest a nice omelet or fried chicken.
SLATE:
"I've seen polls. This one says that McCain is ahead of both your choices."
It's laughalbe you would site "this one poll" as counterevidence to the SEVEN POLLS cited by the RealClearPolitics link.
LOL.
But then again, maybe it's not that surprising.
One link to one link,,,,, pick your poll,,,, of course you pick the one that proves your point and decry me for doing the same thing? Fairness is something you lack.
Let's see
Gallup Mc Cain 0.3
Rasmussen McCain 4.0
Fox McCain 3.0 Total 7.3
CBS TIE
NBC Obama 3.0
API Obama 2.0
Newsweek Obama 3.0 Total 8.0
Yeah Obama by the landslide of 0.7 percent! This in April of the year that Republicans are supposed to be toast and had such a small chance they should just stay home?
What's the standard spread in a poll these days, something like 4%? You should be proud of all the hard work you've done for seven years smearing the right. It seems to be paying in dividends. 0.7% hehehehehe and after 8 years of the most hated administration in history. Hang your hat on that one Dawg, I bet you're too busy beign proud that you can't even see the Irony of it all.
SLATE:
"One link to one link,,,,, pick your poll"
You're either illiterate or too lazy to read the link. The RealClearPolitics site does NOT just reference 1 poll -- it cites MULTIPLE polls. As of this moment, the average of 9 POLLS (CNN, Gallup, Rasmussen, Fox, NY Times, Wall Street Journal, Pew Research, AP, and Newsweek) has BOTH Obama and Hillary beating McCain.
Obama: 45.8% McCain: 44.9%
Clinton: 47.1% McCain: 44.0%
LOL.
Pathetic.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/pr...
OBAMA VS. MCCAIN
CNN - Obama: 49% McCain: 44.9%
GALLUP - Obama 43% McCain 47%
RASMUSSEN - Obama 43% McCain 46%
FOX - Obama 43% McCain 46%
CBS/NYT - Obama 45% McCain 45%
NBC/WSJ Obama 46% McCain 45%
PEW - Obama 50% McCain 44%
AP - Obama 46% McCain 44%
NEWSWEEK - Obama 47% McCain 44%
OVERALL AVERAGE: Obama leads McCain by 0.9%
CLINTON VS. MCCAIN
CNN - Clinton 44% McCain 49%
GALLUP - Clinton 46% McCain 46%
RASMUSSEN - Clinton 44% McCain 44%
FOX - Clinton 45% McCain 44%
CBS/NYT - Clinton 48% McCain 43%
NBC/WSJ - Clinton 45% McCain 44%
PEW - Clinton 49% McCain 45%
AP - Clinton 50% McCain 41%
NEWSWEEK - Clinton 48% McCain 45%
OVERALL AVERAGE: Clinton leads McCain by 3.1%