Politics – The State Department released its annual Country Reports on Terrorism. The opening lines of the report are a stark rebuke of Bush's claim only the day before that we are winning in Afghanistan. The State Department reports al Qaeda now has "greater mobility" in the region.
This like Viet Nam, it has become a no win situation for all.
That was not always the case, lost opportunities and mismanagement by the Bush-neoclowns who apparently changed their mind about Bin Laden and AQ. (If going after him was ever really what they intended). Focused on their bogus Iraq story instead of securing this operation.
RFE, you are exactly on target.
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he may be on target with this comment, but certainly not when it comes to his opinion (and we all have one) regarding Ron Paul.
sorry Radio-
Ron Paul is not a racist and the one country out there with solid currency would be Switzerland. (gold standard value--they don't print money when there is none)
ecto, I am a libertarian and a Ron Paul Supporter. Ron Paul said he would not run as a 3rd party candidate, so it is impossible for him to get the nomination. Hillary and John are both of the old guard and the GWB status quo. Only Obama stands alone as any kind of hope for stopping the Corporations from turning this country into a fascist state. If your comment about Ron Paul not being a racist is to imply Obama is, then I think you are dead wrong. You would have to show me by documentation where he has ever been a racist. The young man delivers a sense of hope for all people, and I, for one, thinks his generation deserves the chance to prove it. The torch passes in 2008, and we, as a nation become of age.
I'd rather address this on a more related thread eco, and your certainly welcome to your opinion, but I can't see accepting support from David Duke, KKK, and Nazi organizations without expecting a racism question. You may see it otherwise. I agree that money should represent something of real value, but the Gold the U.S. had used to back up it's currency is looted and long gone. Replacing it while the dollar is the weakest it's ever been and gold is at historic highs is just like buying stocks at their highs and selling them at the lows. Not smart. I am a left leaning libertarian, an independent until this year, when I had to join the democratic party to vote in the democratic primary.
I have voted for libertarians in state elections and as protest votes in at least one national election when I felt I knew the outcome wouldn't be effected, but I will use my vote to insure a Bush 3 does not destroy America entirely.
Paul can not win, it's a vote for McCain.
Nothing personal eco, I like half his platform too.
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The Viet Nam generals have admitted that after the last offensive they had they were busted. Nothing much left to fight with. Then the Libs kept up the drumbeat about we lost and can't win. Cronkite came out and said it. We then pulled out of a won war and our returning troops were reviled. Kennedy killed the money to have the south have arms and ammunition. Then the killing fields started and millions died.
That same scenario is likely in Iraq.
You libs seem to like to see millions die. Why is that?
Number one general endo.It wasn't the libs that started either war.It was the politicians,crooks like nixon that lost that war,not the libs.Our troops,myself included,were reviled because there wasn't a politician,including tricky dicky that had the balls to stand up and tell the public that it was their fault,NOT THE SOLDIERS.Where were you in nam endo,you seem to always post what a friggi'n expert you are about that war,and this one.Or could it be that you served in the ranks of the chicken hawks and never went to war.Just asking.
We have won exactly what we set out for: and entrenched military presence in the Middle East. This was the goal. The verbiage is just another tool to achieve the goal. You cannot tell me that Washington has no international political analysts that could see that sending an army to Afghanistan or Iran would bog us down for decades, or generations. McCain right now uses Japan and Korea as examples of extended military presence, as if some state in the Middle East might become an ally, or even a democracy because of our presence. Since our executive and his likely successors see a need for this, we need Congress to defund military operations in the Middle East. It is the last hope we have of any control over this situation.
Japan and South Korea are not at all models one can compare Iraq to. It displays just how deluded and far removed from reality these people are.
baddad has said it better than anyone I've ever heard say it.
The troops serving in Viet Nam were essentially scapegoated by the politicians. Ironically Viet Nam is doing quite fine now aren't they? The story the public got was that if we didn't fight the Chinese communists there we'd be fighting them on Mainstreet too. The same organizations that brought you the Viet Nam war are bringing you the Iraq war, under far flimsier pretenses. Did the Chinese war on Mainstreet? No. But the politicos who told you they would sold them mainstreet and everything else they could get their greedy claws on. Now we have sacrificed our industries, jobs, and the well being - wealth of the middle class to the altar of so called "globalism", another term cloaking the relentless pursuit of cheap labor...slaves. But in this satanic obsession with exploitation and subjugation of human beings
the wealth of the U.S. is being sucked dry by myopic vampires for short term gain.
Perhaps inadvertently, perhaps by design, the long term effect is the Communist Chinese regime is profiting beyond their wildest dreams. Talk about surrender monkeys! The great robber barons hiding behind their corporate masks demand that you lay down your life for their profits, then they sell your country out to the regime they had you lay down your life protecting said country from. Greed this intense is impossible to rationalize.
I wonder if Bush really believes what comes out of his mouth.If one assumes us going there in the first place was just(getting Bin laden) the cause is lost or long over so lets go home.
midleft,
I agree on all but one. There are some parts of the American media (New York Times and Washington Post, as examples) where certain issues are routinely trumped by far left opinion. But I agree that the media doesn't generally focus on reporting, and subtly if not blatantly censors based on their own bias or sensationalism-seeking.
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FTA-Last year, which was the bloodiest year in Afghanistan since 2001. Maj. Gen. Jeffrey Schloesser, who commands U.S. forces in Afghanistan, said last week, "This year won't be different." instability, coupled with the Islamabad brokered cease-fire agreement in effect for the first half of 2007 along the Pakistan-Afghanistan frontier, appeared to have provided AQ leadership greater mobility and ability to conduct training and operational planning, particularly that targeting Western Europe and the United States. AQ leaders continued to plot attacks and to cultivate stronger operational connections that radiated outward from Pakistan to affiliates throughout the Middle East, North Africa, and Europe.
Who was it that said the Iraq Fallacy detracted from legitimate efforts to combat terror in Afghanistan?
Well here's a hint- It wasn't Bush. Or any self proclaimed experienced candidate.
Bush is on camera here spinning like a top.
RFE - I got a "this video is no longer available" message at the link in the story.
More later - I've got to run out and find a flowering cherry tree!
Cheers, g
You can view his tale directly at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccYpf11AzJ8
The quotes are in the article though, it's a short clip.
The video gets really interesting right after the edit. This clip goes past that point.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/04/29/presid...
It sure does get interesting.
Thanks Ben et al! Much later I got back to it.. been busy with May 1st Love celebrations..
Wow...we're winning in Iran, and now we hear we're winning in Afghanistan. What great news! And we owe it all to our own President Bush.
YUP! Amazing no? How about that!
Shrub had to say something, didn't he? Don't misunderestimate him. Even now he can say such nonsense with a straight face without blinking. That takes real talent.
Scribs!!! Good to see ya!
Bush. Oh, that poor, sorry little man. Sad. Pathetic. Pathological. But still deadly as ever.
Thanks onionhead, that is most interesting indeed! Someone from the press has the idea!!! Martha Raddatz deserves an award for pursuing the truth. So Bush says "See, this is an ideological struggle. These aren't isolated, law-enforcement moments. We're dealing with a group of ideologues who use asymmetrical warfare-that means killing innocent people, to try to achieve their objectives. And one objective is to drive us out of Afghanistan, Iraq, the Middle East, or anywhere else where we try to confront them."
Many points here:
1.Ideologues- Hmmm, the Neocons are quite the idealogues themselves. They have chosen to use violence, and absolute self righteousness as well. They want us to believe their actions in Iraq are somehow better than other idealogical violence...
2. These are not isolated law enforcement incidents- Um define "al-Qaeda" then, Is it anyone who fights for Sharia Law as government law? Because that's what Bush gave Iraq, that is the end result in Iraq. How many lost lives and how many trillions of taxpayer dollars will be wasted on this wonderful outcome? Or is it an Organization run by Bin Laden? WTF knows?
3. "And one objective is to drive us out of Afghanistan, Iraq, the Middle East, or anywhere else where we try to confront them." Is anyone who wants the US out of the ME an enemy? I hope not. How many U.S. citizens want us out of the M.E.? Though it may be an unpopular view, can anyone really argue that instability in the region is not a direct result of long ongoing foreign imperialism? So more imperialism is somehow better... isn't that the definition of insanity? Continuing the same actions over and over expecting a different result.
4. U.S. actions in Afghanistan were perceived as a legitimate response to the events on 9 11. If Bush really believes his own diatribe of how important it is to stick to our guns in Afghanistan and help secure the country. (most people agree with the President on this one). It's too bad he's virtually forgotten about the effort there, diverting vital resources to the BS Iraq "threat" instead.
You'll love this link.
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/terbinlade...
Indeed!!!
You have fun lying to yourself.
1. You libs are great ideologues.
2. al-Qaeda are followers of Osama bin Laden.
3. Muslim terrorists or haven't you heard of them?
4. Let me remember, Oh thats right. We went into Iraq for the UN.
You sure are silly. Like to rewrite history like all super libs.
Hey Endo, why isn't Bin Laden wanted for 9/11?
Dear fellow American, Endosloppy, I've had the opportunity to read some of your finer points here on Propeller and I am confused. I presume you are old enough to remember 09/11? I also presume you are old enough to know truth from a lie.
Ok, would your mind change if you learned that the entire Osama bin Laden family was right here in the good ol' US of A on 09/11? Where? Try Shack-daddy Bush's ranch in Crawfish, TX... If Bush is so "patriotic," why did he let them fly privately on 09/12, back to their sand-lot -- when this country was not allowing ANY aircraft in the air? They had to take off from some damned airport here to "fly our friendly sky," correct? Call that a lie???
Your damned problem is you think the Democrats are lying to you, yet blind as a bat when Bush runs his sorry mouth? If you're so hot for truth best start right in the Whitehouse.
Endo, I'm disappointed, I pegged you as one of the folks who reasoned their positions. What you have stated is nonsense. And certainly not true. The UN DID NOT send the US into Iraq, Bush would not even wait for the weapons inspection to finish (likely he knew their findings would thwart his designs on war.) It was and is a rogue action. If al-Qaeda are the followers of Bin Laden how do you justify invading the most secular country in the region (whose leader Bin Laden hated as much if not more than any other "infidels")and turning into an Iranian style theocracy???
If Bin Laden is indeed responsible for 9-11 how do you justify the focus being taken off him, allowing him to escape, and the invasion of a sovereign nation who had nothing to do whatsoever with 9-11??
What exactly is a LIB? Anyone who doesn't buy bush bull? Good Grief! Your precious Bush has expanded the federal executive powers, called the constitution a GD piece of paper, transformed fiscal surplus into massive debt, and destabilized the ME. I put forth the proposition that you have no concept whatsoever of what conservatism is nor liberalism. The imperialistic designs of PNAC are well documented.
http://www.sojo.net/index.cfm?action=magazine.a...
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Proj...
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/articl...
How on earth is any of this conservative?
OOPS, accidental pos to Endofhope! I seem to have pressed the wrong button, as the bishop said to the actress.
He is not connecting with reality, it's no longer funny to watch, it's sad to watch.
4.x GIs killed for every Bush admin lie leading up to the war, and that number continues to grow every day.
I think someone in the White House is having a little fun with Mr. Bush, He made this statement days after an attempt was made on the life of the president of that countries life. I can see someone or all of the White House Press core sitting in a corner giggling while he made this speech!
Bush might have had Afghanistan and Texas confused.
Later that Day, Condi took out her map and showed George once again where Afghanistan, Iraq and Texas are located.
Surefire way to understand what's really going on:
Take Bush's statements regarding the fact.
The stronger he insists something is going "great," the stronger the reality is that it's going poorly.
Just take what he insists upon, reverse it to the same degree he pushes it and you have the truth behind the truthiness.
Bush also said the economy was strong.
How did that work out?
He also said we won in Iraq 5 years aga. I don't think I can trust anything he say.
What we need is just 100 more years and the Swift boaters
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!!!!!!
If McCain gets elected with his "I will continue the Bush policies" then we are all doomed, and will have deserved it