Politics – Which raises the question: Is the Clinton campaign's emphasis on the Ayers-Obama connection significantly different or less spurious than the familiar (McCarthyite?) smears against Hillary, particularly those promulgated and disseminated by the forces she labeled "the vast right-wing conspiracy" in the 1990s?
I knew she was waaaayyyy out in left field but not that far.
I dont know bout that rdy.
America has morphed so far to the right over the last 30 years, what once was extremely right wing is now left of center.
For instance ... I remember growin up that Senator Barry Goldwater was so right wing ... he was commonly called 'Mr. Conservative'.
But when comparing his voting record to modern era legislation ... it was discovered that, in today's America - he would be considered slightly left of center.
Thats cause, in the last 30 years, Republicans have become the party of:
-Big Govermenet
-Goverment invasion of privacy
-Deficit Spenders
-Anti-Soldier (pro-military contractor)
-Reckless, arbitrary foreign military campaigns
-Wasteful spendin
So, to say that Hillery is (in your skewed perception) 'far left field' ... only means that she is left of Goerge W. Bush ... which can only be bad for us Christian Conservatives who root for the demise of this Seculiurist Society ... but its prollally good for our children.
So she was a far leftist in the late 1960's. Did she plan bombings? Does she now, 40 years later, have "friendly" relationships with any radicals who did so?
Obama's frelled and he doesn't even know it yet.
bill clinton commuted the senteces of 2 members of the weather underground.
and what about the McCain/abramoff connection?
its very very easy to make flimsy connections with any one of the candidates and any number of less than reputable people.
so to point at obama's connections and not the others is just ridiculous.
False analogy. Casual associations do not equal personal relationships, and bunching them all together is fraudulent.
I didn't give any analogies.
so then the McCain/Abramoff connection should be thouroughly investigated, since it wasn't just a casual association, as well as McCain's inclusion in the highly corrupt Keating Five.
and just what is the Obama/Ayers connection? they were both members of the board of an anti-poverty group, the Woods Fund of Chicago, between 1999 and 2002. is that it?
That is the problem with the Democrats. We have a two party system, and with 300,000,000 people we have to choose a President from leftovers. I am betting McCain will choose a conservative V P to balance the ticket. He won't run in 2012, so we will be able to accept him in 2008. McCain was never my choice, but he will win, and he will hold the W H, and if the Democrats don't accomplish something in the next 6 months in Congress, he will have coat tails.
Err, but your Republican candidate is not the fault of the Democrats. McCain won the nomination because the majority of Republicans wanted him.
There was a little something wrong with the other guys. Eyes kept darting nerviously, as though they knew defeat was in the air.
At President Obama's inaugural ball, I bet McCain will announce he intends to run in 2012. Feisty old guy.
All three canidates work toward a caste system. With Americans divided against illegals( the next slaves). There will be a place where none are created equal, but those in the elitist sect all others do their bidding and bow down to the rich and powerful politicians . Those that make the laws to further their own position in life. And acquiring a set place for their children. A place where the rich eat meat and the poor work all day for a loaf of bread. Stand pat in keeping your weapons. Because those that have no protection are easily made into servants.
I don't think any of the three are working toward a 'caste system'.
The rich do seem to be pulling away from the rest of us, in power and control. But safety is not in guns; it is in a united community that votes responsibly.
Americans don't vote; and when they do, half the time they don't even remotely vote their own interests.
Bernstein - 'it's wrong to practice guilt by association.'
Bernstein - 'by the way Hillary had some unsavory associations.'
Who cares? This is minutia. Who cares what she did during the turbulent 60's. If she wasn't a part of it, I'd be more concerned. Also, working at a clerk for a summer during law school means nothing. Summer clerks aren't even exposed to the cases and they have no input on what cases to accept. They're basically wined and dined.
It's irrelevant. More swiftboating from the experts at character association and the politics of destruction.
--NEVER HEARD ANY THING ABOUT HILLERY BOMBING ANYTHING.
SHE ALSO NEVER SAID "GOD DAMN AMERICAN EITHER..
OR THE THE U S GOV CREATED AIDS TO KILL BLACKS...
SHE ALSO NEVER WENT TO SEE OMAR KADAHAFI..OR TRAVELED WITH LOUIS FARRAKAHN..
She never said she was better than Christ, never said she was the new Messiah, never said America is the Kingdom of Satan, never said she had to bed all the new brides to `bless` their marriages, and never tried to corrupt another country`s govt. Of course Rev Moonie did all this and more since the 50`s, and he`s been tight with the Republican Party since the 70`s, but especially tight with the Bush family since the 80`s.
Hillary also never said America is cursed because of the homosexuals, or that New Orleans deserved Katrina, that the Pope is the `Great ******`, or that we should expedite the Armageddon because God is taking too long.
She also never let a fortune teller tell her how to run the WH and govt like Nancy and Ronnie.
Hillary, left wing radical? She was on the Board of Directors for Walmart Inc., in the early 1990's when she was first lady of Arkansas. Walmart,you know, the company that hates organized labor(unions), pays their employees (associates) very low wages, charges associates high premiums for health care benefits, buys the majority of their products from China and on and on.....
Walmart is to the right of Rush Limbaugh, being on the board at Wally World doesn't sound like the actions of liberal radical to me.
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Hillary, left wing radical?
She already announced to obliterated Iran, she is another Right Wing nut who is ready to kill millions of people in the name of world dominance.
They are talking about her college days and shortly after that. She was gung ho super lib and worked for a while on a congressional committee where she was kicked off for being so biased that she disobeyed procedures to make her side look better.
She says things like that to try to win the more centrist people.
Never heard about her getting kicked off any congressional committee. I think the one you are talking about is here participation right out of law school in the Nixon hearings, where she actually earned quite a good reputation for her energy and intellect.
However, I do agree that she is playing the game of politics when she says, `I will obliterate Iran`. I am sure she had the pollsters plot her and her opponents on a strategic political map such as the ones shown in the link below. I`m sure she learned that McCain owns the right, Obama owns more of the left, so she has chosen to try a marginalization strategy to marginalize both.
http://www.grassrootsforamerica.us/fertilizer/N...
All candidates do this type of mapping to figure out where strong/weak. Hillary just makes it obvious that she bases her strategy on it.
Correct the congressional committee was getting set up for a possible impeachment. Part of her task was to make sure that the president had all the legal information if it would be needed. She was ignoring some items even after being told that certain things were needed in that folder. She refused and eventually was told to leave. Her work on the other side was impeccable. Of course everybody now wants to ignore that fact of trying to hurt the president and look at just the good side of that little junket in a congressional committee.
The funny thing about elections in America is it really doesn't matter who is elected President in that nothing is really going to change. The Republican and democratic partys will bring to us more of the same. Whether it's unjustified wars or unscrupled covert CIA operations or ridicules comodities crisises you can be asureed that the Dem-Repub- Cartel will be behind it. Sure , it would be easier listening to someone who can string a few words together and who is capable of forming a cohesive sentence and/or thought beyond "the terrorists are going to get you".
But lets be realistic , America is no longer ruled by its people, it is ruled by the international corporations that control our two party system. They care as much about you as they do the Chinese or South American worker.
There goal is not a Better world, but instead the consolidation of wealth into the hands of a few.
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At Yale law school she embraced some leftist causes she perhaps wishes she hadn't today (the Black Panthers' claim that they couldn't get a fair trial, more about which later); worked in the most important radical law firm of the day -- Treuhaft, Walker and Burnstein, in Oakland, which represented the Communist Party and defended the Panthers in their murder trials; and became associate editor of an alternative law review at Yale which ran stories and pictures depicting policemen as pigs and murderers.
She was for them before she was against them! lol
She is treading on new territory here because the charges she could honestly launch against him are even truer charges against herself.
What a tangled web they weave. It would be funny were it not so critical.
It IS critical CatAnni!
It is critical that we Christian Conservatives raise as much stink and innuendo bout HIllery as possible ... to cover the extreme moral vacancy of our chosen political social philosophy ... the Republican Atheist Corporatist Party!!
I have an idea!
Lets all us Christian Conservatives stand together ... sholder to sholder ... and fight AGAINST families!
As beakons of Jesus teachins, lets Fight AGAINST helping solve the health care crisis in which over a million families have gone bankrup causa mind-bogglin hospital bills!!
WE must all remember, that as Christians, we MUST support ANY candidate besides Hillery and Obama.
That means we support the ENDLESS WAR party of McCain!!
Yeah!!
I LOVE bein a Christian in the 21st century America!!
No more 'moral quanderies'.
No more 'intellectual choices'.
No more 'spiritual allegiences'.
Just Right Wing Propaganda for US!!
Your rants really expose you for your ignorance of Christian conservatism. A conservative Christian can be liberal.
Think about that one. It might bend your mind a little though.
A bad case of the pot calling the kettle black.
to goppy (who I still haven't figured out how to unblock)
When did Carl Bernstein become a Christian conservative? I think he will be quite surprised to find out about that...
hummmm......
Good question.
Sorry. None of this seems "radical." It seems fairly common sense and mainstream, especially at the time.
"Sorry. None of this seems "radical." It seems fairly common sense and mainstream, especially at the time."
So is Hillary justified in criticizing Obama over Ayers if it's "fairly common and mainstream, especially at the time?"
DOH!
Why do you always havta show up with your 'common sense' and 'mainstream thinkin', Dionys?
Caint you just let us Christian Conservatives have our Propaganda Party?
Look, it aint liek we are gointa listen to 'common sense' any-hoo. The Right Wing Talkin haid Info-tainers and the Neo-Conservative politics of destruction philosophy already sucked all the blood from THAT turnip.
LMAO! I love it that she was like that. Shows she cared about the issues, and wanted to be a part of change, and trust me, change was needed then as it is now. Does that make all her choices then the right one's? My god no! When you're young you're a know it all, and by damn, you make mistakes. Shows she's human, just like the rest of us, & more human than some of us.
oh, hell yeah, this issue is a non-starter... even I was more leftist than not back then -- singing CS&N songs -- you know Ohio, Chicago... moratoriums on the war, protesting the treatment of Bobby Seale during his trial...of course, I was only a freshman in high school, but..still..