Politics – About 12 Indiana nuns were turned away Tuesday from a polling place by a fellow bride of Christ because they didn't have state or federal identification bearing a photograph.
If you are too old to get a ride to get your I D stay home. I am sure there are Catholics that will take Sister to get an I D. Besides, by November all states will have
Voter I D laws. This is to important an election to let the Democrats steal it with multi-voting, or voting illegals. This will also eliminate Knock, and grab.
What a totally knee-jerk, right-wing spin response that is.
In case you didn't notice, HOW the nuns got to the polling place or to ANYWHERE was NOT an issue.
You think anyone "too old to get a ride" does not deserve to be able to vote? Someday when you are too old - if you live that long - someone younger than you may have that same attitude toward you. Hope you enjoy and appreciate it.
If any election stealing occurs, it will be by the neocons, who stole the elections in 2009, 2004, and 2006.
How racist of us to require I.D.s and exclude illegals from voting in our elections.
The intent of the "ID" is not to just exclude illegals. It is a repressive impediment to many people who have many reasons for not having a driver's license - eldery, blind, paraplegic, quadraplegic, deaf, no peripheral vision (at ANY age), and more.
ANYONE that is a REGISTERED voter ALREADY has an ID - a voter registration card that they get from their local election commission.
THAT should be good enough. Yes, some folks may loose it - then they can get in touch with their local election commission and get it replaced.
No "photo" ID should be needed.
The intent is to deter voter fraud by visually verifying a voter's identity. ANYONE can get a non-driver's license photo I.D. It's not an unreasonable burden considering that you can't cash a check without a photo I.D. If the DNC didn't have a vested interest in allowing illegals to vote, the Dems wouldn't squeal so loudly about a deterent to fraud.
The clearly states that a state ID is perfectly acceptable. It's free. If you can get to the polls to vote, you can get an ID too.
Here in Texas you can register without any ID. You just have to affirm that you are said person and a US citizen. That's why voter ID cards can't be used to cash checks, get on airpalnes, etc.
I meant too old to go get her I D. I assume she can walk, or car pool to the polls. You people will try to do anything to keep from using a Voter I D, but it won't work. The Supreme Court ruled it legal, and if it is important enough for the voters they will figure out how to qualify for a picture ID.
"voter IDs" ALREADY exist. They are called "voter registration" cards. If you are REGISTERED to vote, you get one from your local election commission.
What is wrong with that ID? Nothing.
As I noted above, requiring a photo ID to vote is well beyond necessary to prove someone is a registered voter. The conservatives know that. They are trying to repress voters - it is statistically proven that the higher the voter turn-out, the more likely Republicans will lose.
Neocons want to suppress the voter turnout to increase their chances of winning. How sporting of them .... not ....
"What is wrong with that ID?" One example:
"If photo I.D. requirements had been the law in Washington, the voter fraud scandal involving ACORN in 2006 would never have happened. According to Washington Sec of State Reed, the incident "was the worst case of election fraud in our state's history. It was an outrage."
Two years ago ACORN submitted just over 1,800 new voter registration forms. The names were made up รข;; all but 6 of the 1,800 submissions were fakes
The ACORN workers told investigators that they went to the Seattle library, sat at a table and filled out the voter forms. They made up names, addresses, and SS numbers and in some cases plucked names from the phone book. One worker said it was a lot of hard work making up all those names and another said he would sit at home, smoke marijuana and fill out the forms.
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/05/02/voter-f...
If they were democrats, someone probably already voted for them. If they had been dead, then someone would have voted twice.
Only if the Republicans had failed in their "caging" attempts to get anyone off of the rolls that they THINK are Democrat or liberal, like blacks and/or service men and women serving overseas.
And you don't know that they were democrats - those nuns could be Rush Limbaugh fans participating in his "operation chaos" for all you know ....
I could care lees what Party they are from. No ID, no vote.
I also don't care what the party affiliation is for anyone that would try to vote illegally.
Anyone really trying to vote illegally has to have the help of someone on the 'inside' of the election process - poll worker, precinct chair, election commission official, etc., regardless whether or not they have a "photo" ID or non-photo ID - i.e., regardless of what the laws are.
Having more strict or more cumbersome requirements for the honest people just deters those people from being able to exercise their right to vote. It does NOT deter illegal voting because anyone trying to vote illegally can only do so if they get HELP from election workers or officials.
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This is ridiculous.
The neocons say the "libs" whine about these new voter ID laws and that its "no problem at all" for EVERYONE to get the IDs.
Per the McClatchy article about this --
Sister Julie McGuire, one of several nuns on poll duty, wasn't pleased to turn away the nuns, some of whom were in their 80s and 90s and no longer had driver's licenses.
"Here's the supreme irony," Borkowski said. "This law was passed supposedly to prevent and deter voter fraud, even though there was no real record of serious voter fraud in Indiana. Here you have a bunch of nuns whose votes can't be accepted by a bunch of nuns ... who live with them in the polling place in their convent because they don't have an ID."
So some of the nuns had ID, and some convientently did not. Interesting. And they did not have ID because?
They had months to get ID and chose not to knowing that they could not vote without it.
They have clearly demonstrated how "precious" their vote is.
Chose to "not know"? And how would you "know" that?
But I am not surprised by your response ...
Well I live in Texas and I knew about the ID requirement in Indiana. It was widely publicized when the Supreme Court upheld it. If these nuns were unaware of it and also found it "impossible" to go get a free state ID card in 10 days, then they have no good reason to be voting in the first place.
The law was "upheld" only a few days or weeks before the primary, which is very likely NOT enough time to get the ID for many people.
Oh, right ... your verdict of "ignorance" about new voter ID laws is, in your mind, a disqualification of the right to vote?
How discriminatory and superior of you ....
As you can see here, the law was passed three years ago in 2005.
http://www2.indystar.com/articles/6/236465-2566...
If you can't find the time in three years to bother to get a free ID, then you aren't really serious about voting.
I won't argue that.
However, I think that nuns do lead a more restricted life and could have been overlooked or otherwise could not have had or received the information they needed to conform to the 3-year old law.
And that can occur for anyone - even people who watch TV and read the paper and listen to the radio. If they aren't listening or reading when that information is being conveyed, they won't have that information.
Also, the USPS is very capable of losing mail that is addressed correctly, so a registered voter that is still at the address as documented by their local election commission could not ever be delivered to them.
On top of that, because the law was being appealed to the Supreme Court, there could have been confusion as to whether or not citizens were supposed to conform to the law.
Well if you're that passive and uninformed, how can you possibly make a rational decision at the polls about who or what to vote for?
Of course some of the nuns did get IDs. Could the ones that didn't choose not to just to help create a political event?
You can get a non-driver's license picture I.D.
Sure ... that is not the point.
See my below post ... requiring a photo ID to vote is well beyond necessary to prove someone is a registered voter. The conservatives know that. They are trying to repress voters - it is statistically proven that the higher the voter turn-out, the more likely Republicans will lose.
Neocons want to suppress the voter turnout to increase their chances of winning. How sporting of them .... not ....
It is statistically proven that the lower the ID requirement, the more dead people will vote.
How low is "lower"?
In my community, we actually had a problem with a few DEAD people voting a couple of years ago.
However - when the investigation was completed, the reason the votes got cast by "dead" people is because the Poll Workers participated.
Poll workers have to be assisting anyone that gets away with voting by using someone else's name or the name of a deceased person.
You can't just walk in and "claim" to be "so-and-so" without some proof of who you are and where you live AND also the 'person' has to be ON the voter rolls where they are attempting to vote.
I'm a precinct chair and have witnessed my DEM counterpart holding a stack of voter ID cards about an inch think for "safekeeping". When the voter showed up, she handed them "their" card. Of course they had no ID but she knew them so it was all OK.
I'm sure that it was all perfectly innocent.
Sounds fishy to me. But that is my point.
I don't care what the party affiliation is of a Poll worker or election official (in the case I noted, they were Democrats).
The point is that anyone really trying to vote illegally has to have the help of someone on the 'inside' of the election process - poll worker, precint chair, election commission official, etc., regardless whether or not they have a "photo" ID or non-photo ID - i.e., regardless of what the laws are.
Poll workers don't always even ask for a voter registration card. A photo I.D. is clear evidence of identity.
NEOLIBS want to encourage fraudulent voting.
POS'ed by mistake ...
The Republicans are very experienced at getting valid voters off of the rolls or otherwise disenfranchising hundreds of thousands of very eligible voters.
Disenfranchising those illegals...when will the Republicans learn? I sometimes have to present a photo I.D. to use my credit card. It's not too much to ask someone to do the same to do something as important as voting.