Politics – "You know, my husband and I have been married 28 years and we have filed separate tax returns for 28 years. This is a privacy issue. My husband is the candidate,"
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Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean said Cindy McCain's refusal to release her tax returns gives the appearance of a double standard on the part of her husband.
"What is John McCain trying to hide?" Dean said in a statement. "Throughout this campaign, he has acted like his own calls for openness and accountability apply to everyone but himself. Now he thinks he can bring that same double standard to the White House."
Democrats Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton filed joint tax returns with their spouses and publicly released those returns.
If Cindy McCain were to become the first lady, she should do like every first lady before her, and release her tax information. Everyone already knows she's a multimillionaire, so what is she trying to hide.
PLUS, what self respecting man lives with a woman for 28 years and allows her to have this kind of control. Money can't buy everything. What would the cons say if this was Michelle Obama.
mccain trying to play both sides against the middle...releasing his tax returns to look "semi-normal" all the while riding around in his multi millionare wifes priv jet
yet he has the nerve to call obama an "elite" when the obamas just got their student loans paid off when his book made money
the sad part is with the msm being the corp shills they r a big segment of the population doesnt get to hear the truth
So true questions, and i, for one, am sick of the McCain double standard, the free passes and the idea that his being elected president is an entitlement. ENOUGH ALREADY!
All candidates at the national level and their spouses should have to reveal their tax returns.
If you have to hide where your money is coming from, what else are you going to hide?
I will leave state level candidates' revelations to the states.
I'm not overly worried if she doesn't release any tax info, but it does make you wonder why she's hesitant to do so...
She is not running for office and I'm sure the 'numbers' would take our breath. Good for her!
Mac in '09!!
Though I can in no way agree with "Mac in 09" or any other year, I agree with HER. She is a private citizen, neither candidate nor elected official, and she in no way owes the public her tax information. I assert the Republicans' right to privacy even if they don't think anybody else should have any.
"I assert the Republicans' right to privacy even if they don't think anybody else should have any."
That's one of the major differences between us and them.
Clinton didn't fully disclose. Kerry didn't fully disclose. Gore didn't fully disclose. So what?
Wrong AGAIN. Try a few seconds of Google - it is really enlightening sometimes.
Clinton published his tax returns for eight straight years.
During the 2004 presidential election, the Tax History Project published tax returns released by the Democratic candidate, Sen. John Kerry.
http://www.taxhistory.org/www/website.nsf/Web/P...
Al Gore published his tax returns while he was VP.
http://archives.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/storie...
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1998/04/15/gore....
My bad, Clinton and Gore's tax records are on line, however, the full breakdown of their investments prior to being in the White House were never broken down. But again, this isn't the first time the spouse of a candidate didn't release information. Teresa Heinz Kerry set the standards for this. She and John filed separate tax returns. When he was running the DNC leadership didn't have a problem with that. Now when it's a GOP candidate "they're trying to hide something". Give me a break. You whine about equal rights and policies but only when they benefit you.
It was the media and the GOP that griped about Theresa NOT releasing her tax returns.
THAT is the irony and the hypocrisy. There will not be another peep about this after this story dies.
"She is not running for office and I'm sure the 'numbers' would take our breath. Good for her!"
She isn't running for office? Well, not technically, but she will be living in the White House at the taxpayers' expense, traveling on the taxpayers' dime, and has sway with, in theory, the most politically powerful man on Earth. For either you or her to claim "her husband is running, not her," is a call for her to cough up her returns, or divorce her husband and live somewhere else.
Again, Kerry's wife never opened her books and she certainly has more than the McCain's.
Sorry, she DID open her books. She published SOME of her 2003 tax return and the NYT did an extensive review of that data.
Not according to MSNBC
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/04/...
She's trying to hide her mob connections through her family's beer distribution business. And that's why the two of them have always filed taxes separately--to keep that away from John.
Evidence, please.
You insist that anyone who speaks ill of Sen. Obama must have evidence.
I am insisting on the same standard for Sens. McCain and Clinton.
The Hensley Family had a ton of shady/illegal dealings with Mob figures involving liquor distribution and horse tracks.
The key people her father had dealings with were Kemper Marley, Sr., and Clarence "Teak" Baldwin.
Marley, a mobbed up "businessman" was widely thought to be the the person who ordered the Car bombing of a Arizona investigative journalist(Don Bolles) who was digging into his illegal activities.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Bolles
And Clarence Baldwin was a convicted bookmaker with heavy mob ties. Who was a full partner with Hensley for Ruidoso Downs Race track.
Cindy's father even had a felony conviction in fact for falsifying liquor records, and concealing the existence of his mob connected business partners in Ruidoso Downs. The felony conviction should have stopped him from even being allowed to create the Hensley booze empire, but for some reason he was allowed to create a liquor distribution company as a convicted felon.
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These facts are all widely known(at least to those in Arizona over the age of 40), as McCain was grilled over these mob connections during his first congressional run in 1986.
You can check out more info about it at these links:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Hensley
http://www.samsedershow.com/node/2470
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?pageId=5...
http://www.democrats.com/john-mccain-married-to...
McCain himself even sent his regards(by telegram) to Joseph 'Joe Bananas' Bonanno for his 90th birthday party in Arizona in 1995.
A sitting congressmen sending his best wishes to the head of the Bonanno crime family...
I would call that 'asked...and answered'
TY for the info
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Are connections to a loudmouthed preacher with a clean record more damning, or being married to a bunch of mob money?
I'm sure this lack of transparency will not translate into another secretive presidency tho. uh-huh...
Hopefully enough people will get smart come election time and counteract the automatic GOP voters and the 'party of God' religious folks.
some of those folks, and there are a few in my family, listen to their TV minister and vote accordingly regardless
It's how Bush got re-elected
"You know, my husband and I have been married 28 years and we have filed separate tax returns for 28 years. This is a privacy issue. My husband is the candidate,"
I like that last sentence a lot
'My husband is the candidate'
yet her husband, the candidate, had no issue with exploiting a slightly less intimate relationship, which unlike the McCains had no illegality in it, the Obama/Wright relationship
white washed walls and hypocrites
his legendary flip-flopping alone is enough to disqualify him, let alone his continuation of Bush's policies and this stuff
I guess I should rest easy and be assured he won't get elected, but I dunno
Voters seem to weigh with a very strange scale and value system
''some of those folks, and there are a few in my family, listen to their TV minister and vote accordingly regardless''
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I forgot to add that that was why McCain courted minister Hagee's endorsement
despite Hagee's nutty ideas
My extended family is also infested with GOP-RW Evangelical ticks and fleas. I keep the flea circus off balance with an unadulterated mix of history, science, anthropology and investigative journalism. They find my flea collar toxic - not jaysus friendly - which is fine with me. Without it I'd be reduced to skin and bone. Even so - these family fleas are all remarkably overweight - so they must be getting their vitamins from somewhere... Wayward sheep, I would imagine...
I remember when McCain sent birthday wishes to Joe Bonanno, wasn't too long ago, i wondered about it, and why it was just disregarded as the norm.
I think you left him wishing he'd never asked for evidence... lol He seems strangely quiet.
And the Kennedy fortune was made importing alcohol and beer during Prohibition. If you're a Dem that doesn't bother you.
Let's use a really broad brush then... If you're an American, doesn't it bother you that people who find their way to the highest office - or even close - often trail behind them a long history of corruption and cover up? The presidential fairy tale pretty much went out the window with George Washington. If the hour is indeed late, why do we still imagine that the wolf in granny's bed actually belongs here?
You've must have never done a tax return, Beau.
You mean because she doesn't actually have to state where the money came from on her return?
Where there's a record of income and of money paid out--at the very least on Schedules A, B and C--there's a starting point for an enterprising reporter to trace where the money comes from and where it goes, even if it's not specifically stated on her return.
In addition, when dealing with mob money, there's always a question of money laundering. Again certain indicators of questionable sources and destinations of her money would show up in a detailed tax return, though it would take further investigation to prove exactly what those sources and destinations were.
Remember, Al Capone was finally convicted only of tax evasion.
What a snow job!!!
By now, it's no secret that I am NOT a fan of John McCain.
"You know, my husband and I have been married 28 years and we have filed separate tax returns for 28 years. This is a privacy issue. My husband is the candidate,"
And she's right!
I don't give a rats ass where Obama goes to church or what his idiot minister said or does. Likewise, I don't care where Cindy gets her money. It's HER money!
Come on! Can it be any dirtier than the millions all candidates take from Big Oil, Big Insurance, Big Pharm, or Big Business of any sort?
And, I ask you in all seriousness, is there any other way to finance a presidential campaign ?????
With Cindy's 100 mil, she could have financed her hubby's, but i have to agree with raats, a few posts down, it doesn't really look like she wants her hubby to be President. Maybe she doesn't want the publicity, would be hard to be high on Oxycoten all the time with cameras in your face constantly.
Now let's not start the name calling. Cindy went through rehab and has been a big advocate for people getting help. As to her drugs of choice, it was more of the Vicodin and Percocet. Both are very addictive and perhaps the Oxycodone/Acetaminophen should be removed from the market. This isn't the first time nor will it be the last, we've seen someone lose control because of it. But back on topic, she's been to rehab and is successful at keeping clean.
As to being first lady, why would she. Move into a smaller home in a bad neighborhood?
Of course, she stole from a charity because her own family and accountants track her money so closely. The trappings of wealth I guess. But on top of that felony, she illegally bought a controlled substance, another felony.
Why isn`t she/wasn`t she in jail? Too elite for peasant jail I guess.
So why won`t the home-wrecker release her taxes if she has nothing to hide? The Clintons did. The Obamas did.
Knowing that almost all of McCains tax-deductible charitable giving went to his own charity, which donates to the schools his kids go to, sure sounds like a tax cheat to me. Hey, if you are rich enough, the law doesn`t apply. If not, you pay taxes and pay the piper if you break the law.
Cindy McCain has gone to the Paris Hilton school of entitlement. I agree with some posters - she probably doesn't want her info. publicized because it would not paint her in a flattering light!
Teech said: "I ask you in all seriousness, is there any other way to finance a presidential campaign?"
Damn straight there is. It's called publicly financed campaigns.
It's very simple: NO private funding of any kind can be used for any election from the state level on up. Any donations go to fund the race, and are split evenly between all eligible candidates for that office. And all public airwaves will be required to provide air time at NO cost, evenly, just as the funding is provided evenly to all candidates.
FYI, there is nothing in the Constitution protecting campaign financing, not a word, not even a mention of individual parties. And as Thomas Jefferson once said, "If I had to join a political party in order to get into heaven, I'd rather not go."
Until we have politicians who aren't bought by special interest groups or managed by insider-controlled parties, the charade of "free elections" will be simply that: a charade.
Unfortunately that will never happen as long as corps buy the candidates. They'll NEVER vote to stop their money train.
Just as media will never support it. They want candidates to buy up advertising by the armored car load.
I don't know which side you're talking about here. In my home state of Wisconsin, between the teachers unions, trade unions, Indian Casinos, road builders and donations from the George Sorros front groups, conservatives get killed here all of the time. I'd like to see McCain/Foolsgold reworked eliminating the 503's and other front groups from making commercials.
I would like to see the current McCain/xxx law enforced, starting with McCain.
He took out a multi-million dollar loan based on public funding and then, when he gets the nomination and private money is guaranteed, he claims the public-financing law doesn`t apply and spends over the legal limit. If he is not limited by public financing, then he took out the loan illegally based on future income that was not expected/guaranteed.
Normally I'd call that post a partisan whine, Teagan - and it is. But if you truly care about how special interest groups - including mega corporations - go about their merry way blowing hot air up the electorate's skirts, you might consider TS's POV more carefully. Otherwise, it's the same old same old - with the presidency going to the highest - sometimes the most crooked, least representative, most beholden and selfishly focused bidder. Modify the financing regs, earmarks etc., and the kickback connection to the upper levels of executive branches withers on the vine even as the opportunity for some responsive policy decisions blossoms.
TS, you are a clear thinker. I'd vote for your publicly financed campaign law in an instant. It would completely transform American politics...for the better. I especially like the "even split" provision. Corporations can give all they want, but it won't go into the coffers of a bought and paid for candidate.
Kudos to you.
I think this is the media policy in Canada( What TEmplarscribe suggested)- perhaps someone else could verify this??
A good bit of information here HM if you want to look.
http://www.elections.ca/content.asp?section=gen...
Thanks JD- very interesting.
Borrow the money from Hillary.
Didn't McCain support this idea for this election from the beginning? And didn't Obama support the same idea at the beginning and change his mind after finding out how much money he could raise from private donations?
If I'm going to be paying her bills and she's allowed to influence her husband, I want to know. McCain has promised us four more years of George Bush, so I suspect tax fraud may be involved, and think she shouldn't only reveal her tax statements, she should undergo a thorough auditing by the IRS covering the entire 28 years she's been married, given her family connections.