Politics – "You know, my husband and I have been married 28 years and we have filed separate tax returns for 28 years. This is a privacy issue. My husband is the candidate,"
1. While I disapprove of Mrs. McCain's decision, it is hers to take.
2. Sen. McCain can't force her to release her tax records, you know.
3. They've been filing separate tax returns since 1980. I'd say that this means that it's not a cheap gimmick.
"They've been filing separate tax returns since 1980. I'd say that this means that it's not a cheap gimmick."
--The thing is, what's to stop all aspiring Presidential candidates from using their spouses to shield their questionable financial activities. I'm not saying that's the case here but he got was elected to Congress not long after marrying her. I don't think it's overly far fetched to think his future political aspirations might have been a consideration before they were married.
> 2. Sen. McCain can't force her to release her tax records, you know.
He`s running for president. If he cannot control the financial docs of his own family, why would we want such a pu%%y whipped dweeb to run (er, ruin) the country.
He cannot control the Republican Party in NC, he cannot control his wife, his cannot control his temper, he cannot control the people in his party breaking the Geneva Convention...
Why did the Republicans nominate this guy again? Oh yeah, he`s a flip-flopper who`s easily manipulated and controlled by others. The perfect Republican WH president.
Oh, please. Next, you'll say that any husband who doesn't keep his wifey on an allowance is "pu%%y-whipped".
Stop insisting on double standards here.
As for the rest:
1. If you want someone who can "control" everything in sight, be warned: you'll get them.
2. Cannot control his temper? Please explain...
3. Cannot control his wife: see original reply.
4. Cannot control his party - well, guess what: he is one of 49 Republican senators. Not the RNC Chairman.
"PLUS, what self respecting man lives with a woman for 28 years and allows her to have this kind of control.
??? What??
Are you married hume? My husband and i have only been married 17 years, and we share tax information, file together, i know what's going on in my own house, and so does he! That's my point...
Cindy McCain doesn't get a free pass, enough free passes for the McCains/ She has stolen from her foundation, forged prescriptions, among other things, all of which she had no consequences, not even a record. Now she refuses to disclose her tax information! More of the same, and apparently the one in control, but there is a reason for it, and it's not because she's paying tooooo much taxes!
"Are you married hume? My husband and i have only been married 17 years, and we share tax information, file together, i know what's going on in my own house, and so does he! That's my point..."
Until recently I was for 15 years and we filed separately, but Canada has a completely different tax system so you can't equate the two. I have to disagree with your comment though not2needy. Mainly, because I feel that McCain is right in asserting that she is not an extension of her husband, but a separate individual with privacy rights. I would feel the same way if someone made $20 a year or $20 million. Sure, she might be a tax evader, but that is for the IRS to determine, and is a private matter.cont'd
I was brought up that a woman should be in control of her own money. Even my grandmother maintained that a woman should have her own account, and what she does with it is nobodies business but her own.
Yes, in most relationships a degree of financial openness is a given but not a prerequisite, so I don't think any type of moral judgment about the relationship is appropriate.
As well, I think Canadians are more prone to clearly delineate between a candidate's private and personal life. I don't remember anyone ever talking about a candidate's religion , let alone what their pastor says. So, I think the whole American obsession with the minutia of a candidate's life is detrimental to democracy as it encourages the media to focus on the superfluous.
It's that double standard that makes this so bizarre hume. Holding Obmam accountable for things his pastor says, yet NOT holding McCain responsible for things his wife has done, and actually things that he has kept her for being held accountable for.
I want my own income! I don't want to ever feel that i am dependent on anyone. However, my husband and i pool our incomes and keep nothing separate. We both get what we need and want with no problems, but everything is in the open.
My brother and his wife have that kind of marriage, everyting separate, and they are constantly battling over who is going to pay what. They married late in life and chose to do it that way because of their ages and grown children involved, but they are both miserable with it.
Personally, i think the McCains have been married for too many years for this to still be an obstacle for them. Does she support him or not? If so, she isn't exempt the same requirements of any other hopeful First Lady.
I understand where you are coming from not2needy. You know it's funny, I used to work as a personal banker and I always found it was the couples that didn't keep things separate were the ones arguing in my office about how the other spends money-lol, go figure.
tang.
Here is a link, from a newspaper in Phoenix, Az. Not that you will bother to read it, but it is proof that she did what i said, and there was no denials about it.
Where in your link does it prove that she committed tax fraud?
I didn't SAY she committed tax fraud, i speculated that it could be one of the reasons she refused to disclose her tax records.
Exactly my point. You specualted that she committed tax fraud when you have no evidence of it.
Her father was a felon, see the links provided by Aidenag, and the apple doesn't fall far from the tree! In light of the fact that she is so adamant about not providing her tax information, she leaves herself open for speculation and worst case scenerios.
My father was a felon. (Until he was exonerated that is) That does'nt have sht to do with the price of tea in China! Baracks father was a muslim. Does that mean he is one too? NO! You yourself said that. Michelle Obama would not release her thesis statement. (After reading it I understand why. What a b*tch.) Were you upset about that too?
However, Cindy McCain is on the board of her father's business. Which is a great deal more influence than Baracks father had on him and i don't know how much or what influence your father had on you.
I never made any statement regarding Michelle Obama's thesis statement, i haven't read it, she's not running for president, and i could care less.
Therein lies your double standards, Barack MUST be judged by his wife, but McCain, yet again, gets a free pass. What an ignorant jerk you are.
*for tanglang*
"yet NOT holding McCain responsible for things his wife has done"
'You just want there to be something there so bad that you will go to any length to find something. It is really quite sad.'
read AD's posts and links on the 1st page
Not2's point was about associations
maybe this will help:
ask yourself who'd you'd rather owe a G to when the Pats lose, Reverend Wright, or Clarence Baldwin?
if you answered 'Wright' to that question, there may be some hope for you yet
[I hate when my first try at posting disappears: I'm always sure it was better]
Well, regardless, the bills have to be paid. I guess it's what you get used to, it's just easier for us to do it the way we do.
whether they keep their finances separate or not is not a moral issue. Each year I do my taxes jointly and then I do them separately to determine which is going to serve me better and lower the tax bite.
If you recall when Hilary (I think -- or was it Obama) said that they didn't want to release their their tax return until they were the official candidate, I said they shouldn't have to.
Cindy McCain is NOT a candidate for office. If she doesn't want to disclose, I don't think she should have to. You all applauded Theresa Heinz and Hilary Clinton when they refused to be pigeon-holed as traditional first wives.
Now, if you can find where John McCain was demanding that Hilary or Obama release their income tax returns (not saying he didn't -- it's an issue I don't pay much attention to), then I agree this is somewhat hypocritical, however, if he hasn't it's a non-issue.
She's not going to be President, even if he gets elected.
i find it hypocrytical for mrs mccain to want "privacy" about her fortune but she has no prob with her hubby telling the nation he will appoint justices that will strip a womans right to control her own vagina
amazed!
It was Hillary who didn't want to release her tax info, but she was hounded to death, so she went ahead and did it.
NOW, the double standard here is the big stink the repubs made in 2004 about Teresa H. Kerry's tax information, so she released it. NOW, it's acceptable for Cindy McCain to NOT release hers?????? Because she's not running for president!!!!!! YET, Obama has been raked over the coals about his pastor, of whom he doesn't live with, nor sleep with, and has no control over. EGAD!
You mean that it is not of concern what the beliefs of a candidate for president is. Looking at Wrights sermons for the past 20 years and looking at some of Obama's books shows a common thread of racial viewpoint.
That concerns me greatly.
Looking at what Obama has written and said, he is a firm believer in personal accountability, especially for black males. In fact Obama laid into black males for being the worst fathers, absent, MIA, and unsupportive of their children financially and otherwise. Not racist in a John McCain or Hagee way, that`s for sure, but if you are offended by that plz let us know how and why.
On the other hand, the Rev Moon has been preaching that Jesus failed and he is the new `Messiah` since long before he began his thirty plus year relationship with the Republican Party and the Bush family in particular. Rev Moon told his followers not to eat burgers because they are from America and America is evil, yet he`s in bed with the cons all these years. The Rev Moon bedded hundreds if not thousands of wives on their wedding nights to `bless` their wombs with his `holy seed`. He has spent billions promoting the Republican Party.
That should concern you much more.
N2N, I never once cared about teresa's tax returns. As a matter of fact, I don't know anyone who was. So forgive me for not falling for this.
Obamas pastor is a whole nother can o beer. The fact that obama stayed there for two decades tells us that he agreed with wrights message. You would have to be real naive or real stupid to think otherwise.
I do like how you said that obama has no control over his pastor when you and I know that he does. He could have left at any time during his two decade long stay. Why didn't he?
Of course you're right tang, in your mind.
McCain could have left Cindy when she was caught stealing, smuggling and addicted. I admire the fact that he didn't, but with his political aspirations, didn't he realize this would come back to haunt him.
It is my right to know who I am voting for, their beliefs, and how they got where they are today.
If the McCains have done something so illegal they cannot open up their taxes, they should have chosen to continue hiding under the rock and should not have chosen to run for office in the first place.
What is the home-wrecker, thief, drug addict hiding? Is she a tax cheat too? I have the right to know if a candidate for president is a tax cheat or is married to one. Don`t even try to move the goal posts on this one, especially not after what the cons did to the Clintons.
No, you guys made your own bed, now quit yer whining and sleep in it.
You imply - as the media has - that soundbites from one sermon and a few recent statements by Wright "automatically" prove that those brief remarks were the SAME thing he said for the last 20 years.
And that is false. Obama didn't "leave" that church any time over the last 20 years, because Wright didn't say - every day or every week - the same soundbites from the same sermon every day of his life for the last 20 years!
To stretch one sermon and some remarks from a couple of interviews into 20 YEARS of "hate-speech" is disingenuous.
The neocons want the public to "fall" for that "20 years" stuff that THEY invented and YOU swallowed.
Meanwhile, you ignore the inflammatory remarks - past and present - of so-called fundamentalist "Christian" preachers like John Hagee and Rob Parsley, whom McCain SOUGHT for their support of his candidacy.
Double-standard, media right-wing bias.
"To stretch one sermon and some remarks from a couple of interviews into 20 YEARS of "hate-speech" is disingenuous."
Right. You keep telling yourself that wright did not preach hate every week. He himself warned Barry O before he joined that he preached very contraversial sermons.
"Meanwhile, you ignore the inflammatory remarks - past and present - of so-called fundamentalist "Christian" preachers like John Hagee and Rob Parsley, whom McCain SOUGHT for their support of his candidacy."
No comparison. McCain never sat through their sermons. How was he to know what they preached?
To stretch one sermon and some remarks from a couple of interviews into 20 YEARS of "hate-speech" is disingenuous.
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I would go one step further and suggest that they want to turn it into 20 years of hate while at the same SCREAMING when Democrats bring up "100 years in Iraq".
Both are PART of the story and BOTH are taken out of context.
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Poor little misguided Cindy. Little does she realize that's the first thing Dems are goin after once Hillary and Obama's duel comes to an end in a few weeks. And much like her makeup, things are gonna get REALLY ugly. Ugly and scary. ;-(
Typical lib. Have to insult.
Oh what? You see that photo as well as I do. Come on... ;-x
yes mesodude - it looks like Cindy puts on the make-up with a spatula. She sure looks like someone like Paris Hilton - came into money - she went to the same school of entitlement as Paris Hilton probably.
Pot and kettle much?
This is possibly the stupidest thing I've read today. God knows Cons never insult anyone, especially around here.
By the way, if you can't hack it, you can find a nice Harry Potter board on IMDB, but it might get a little rough.