Politics – "You know, my husband and I have been married 28 years and we have filed separate tax returns for 28 years. This is a privacy issue. My husband is the candidate,"
((OK .. I GIVE UP. Propeller keeps putting my response to tangalang (ABOVE under raats6662's comment) UNDER raats6662's comment!!!!))
tangalang --
You STILL have NO proof of what Wright said in EVERY sermon he preached - you have NO idea what he preached for every sermon, or ANY sermon other than the ONE that was 'quoted', over the last 20 years. Yet you repeat the "line" that he preached "hate" for 20 years.
"Controversial" does NOT mean "hate".
McCain doesn't have to "sit through their sermons" to hear the HATE that comes from those 'preachers', because they are VERY public about it.
Obama attended the church where Wright preached for 20 years - he did NOT ask nor seek any 'endorsement' of his candidacy from Wright.
To intentionally SEEK endorsement of men whose hate-mongering is widely known is NO BETTER than what you accuse Wright and Obama of.
If you remove Wright from the equation, the ONLY thing that can be directly attributed to Obama is that he said, "The point I was making was not that my grandmother harbors any racial animosity, but that she is a typical white person. If she sees somebody on the street that she doesn't know there's a reaction in her that doesn't go away and it comes out in the wrong way."
Now to me that seems a very frank discussion of a very real phenomenon, particularly among (yes, 'typical white') people of Barack's grandmother's generation. It saddens me to say it, but I get that sort of vibe from my mother.
You're right. There is no proof that he taught hate in every sermon. However, which is more likely, that someone who was a memeber of a contraversial church for two decades never heard anything contraversial, or that McCain knew what some preacher whose church he never attended said in his sermons?
Barack did not seek out an endorsement from Wright. Yet he did appoint him to work on his campaign, and he did sit down and ask him for advice on whether or not he should run.
You say that the hate that comes from the preachers that endorsed McCain is widely known, but I have been a Southern Baptist for 28 years and never once heard anything they have said. I still could not pick them out in a line up. I can however tell you all sorts of things that wright has said and done. Why? Because that matters. Not once did McCain ever say that he agrees with anything those guys have said. Barack on the otherhand gave his money and his time to trinity for 20 years.
See the difference?
Obama contributed to the CHURCH, not to Wright.
You still do NOT know what Wright has said EVERY single Sunday for the last 20 years. But you sure to ASSUME at what he may have said.
What Wright has "said and done" matters, but what McCain's preacher endorsers have "said and done" does NOT matter?
Right ...
And you probably don't know what they have said because you haven't paid any attention to it.
Here ya go ...
http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/80253/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgZsQBuInIY
http://bravenewfilms.org/blog/38133-mccain-s-sp...
http://mediamatters.org/items/200803250012
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/thebeat?bid=1&pi...
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/2/28/01749/7...
"Obama contributed to the CHURCH, not to Wright"
Huge Cop Out!
" what McCain's preacher endorsers have "said and done" does NOT matter?"
Right, because they are not HIS preachers! He does not share their views. If he did he would attend their church!
Also, if you want to bring endorsements into this, lets compare these preachers to Louisd Farraklown, the New Black Panther Party, the Nation of Islam, Hamas and all the other dirtbags who endorse Obama. Is that cool?
Not once did McCain ever say that he agrees with anything those guys have said
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Actually, he said quite the OPPOSITE. He said that Jerry Falwell was promoting HATE (during the 2000 campaign) then turns around and PRAISES Falwell's position before speaking at his college.
Do YOU see the difference?
> No comparison. McCain never sat through their sermons. How was he to know what they preached?
That`s right. McCain was not a member of Hagee`s church, so he had zero personal/family history with the church and all the other church goers that would influence him to forgive some of the preacher`s wilder talks.
No, nobody`s giving McCain a pass for researching Hagee and chasing after the hater`s endorsement for over a year, and then crying `Hagee is misunderstood` when called to task. No, either the standard applies to all, or it applies to none. None of that moving the goal post BS accepted tang.
Oh, speaking of relationships, you still have not defended the Republican Party`s 30-year relationship with the new `Messiah` Rev. Moon. Still waiting for the talking points? Must be a slowdown due to Mother`s Day.
1. Hillary Clinton did, eventually, release her and Bill's tax return. They have paid over $30 million in taxes post-White House. I'd say that the USA has done very well out of the Clintons.
2. What Wright said is only part of the issue. The other part is that he's been saying it for 20 years, and Obama chooses to stay in his congregation. Further, Obama donates an average of $500 per week to that church. Not a good way of showing disapproval for Wright's remarks, IMO.
3. Cindy McCain is not running for any office. Hillary Clinton is, as is Barack Obama. Point: the standards really are different across that data point.
You do NOT know that Wright has said for the last 20 years what was extracted out of ONE 7 year old sermon and a couple of recent interviews. There is NO proof of that!
To stretch one sermon and some remarks from a couple of interviews into 20 YEARS of "hate-speech" is disingenuous.
The neocons want the public to "fall" for that "20 years" stuff that THEY invented and YOU swallowed.
Theresa Heinz Kerry was also NOT running for any office in 2004. But, the media and the Republicans railed about her unwillingness to publish all of her tax returns.
Double-standard media right-wing bias. Period.
>>What Wright said is only part of the issue. The other part is that he's been saying it for 20 years, and Obama chooses to stay in his congregation.
You're basing Wright's career on a 30 second sound bite. He's had almost 40 years of service. That's not even a second a year.
And why hasn't anyone else in the multi-racial congregation shown offense at his remarks? Did you hear the whole sermon, of which on 20-30 seconds has been aired?
And you think a person's preacher is more influential than his/her spouse? What if her tax returns show fraud & other "immoral" activities? What's that say about hubby?
But it's alright to badger the Democrats, but not the Republicans, but what you're saying.
Excuse me?
Senator McCain is anti-abortion, an issue which can be argued either way (although I, personally, am pro-choice).
If you REALLY don't want an unexpected pregnancy, abstinence is 100% effective. And he hasn't said that his preferred rulings are ones which will strip a woman's right to choose to say no.
Re-examine your statement, please.
Whether or not anyone "applauded" Theresa Heinz or Hilary for not releasing their returns, there is a double-standard here.
For sure, there will not be another peep out of the media or from the Republicans with any complaints that Cindy did not release any tax returns.
But, when Theresa Heinz released part of her tax returns, that still was not good enough for the media and for the Republicans in 2004. There were a lot of articles and stories complaining about it.
So, other than this story - where Cindy has announced that none of her tax returns are being published - there will very likely be little to nothing else said in the media about it.
For a Republican, its all ok. If Cindy's husband were a Democrat, there would be many more stories about it, akin to the Obama/Wright media blitz.
LOL
You are talking about the liberal MSM. What a crock. This will be meat for their grinder and they will grind away. Not Now maybe but after the Democrat dust settles.
How much do you wanna bet on that?
You'll never hear anything about it again. If any "liberals" or Democrats have anything to say about it, none of the media will cover it.
Well then I guess she should find private quarters if hubby wins the presidency since she wouldn't want to let his [position as President interfere with her skimming from her charities and forging prescriptions for herself or using hte fact that hes President to gain an advantage. ROFLMAO, but then again since he doesnt have a snowballs chance in hell of winning it wont matter.
I don't understand...if the voters are supposed to have the right to question a candidates pastor and people he has sat on a board with...why shouldn't we be concerned about whether one of the candidates is married to a tax evader?
It's already bad enough that the candidates wife was spared any prosecution for being an international drug smuggler.
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