Politics – "This proposal does not honor the 600,000 votes that were cast in Michigan's January primary. Those votes must be counted,"
I believe that the Peoples votes should be counted both in Michigan and Florida! What ever the votes tallied, should be the delegates preference. It was not the Peoples fault that someone broke the rules. Every American has the right to have their vote counted!
Thanks not2needy!
Obama wasn't even on the Michigan ballot though tex, how can his votes be counted, when he wasn't even voted for?
You're very welcome tex.
Also according to the rules set forth before the primaries he didn't even campaign in FL. He followed the rules of the game. Come on people, we have rules for a reason, even a three year old understands rules.
Except that the "Three year old" in the White House decided 7-1/2 years ago that the rules don't apply to him or his supporter. That's why the Republican Government in Florida and the Republicans on Propeller don't understand what the big deal is.
Hell, even the RNC choose to IGNORE it's position and decided to "PENALIZE" FL, SC, MI, NH, WY instead of not seat.
You know if the RNC HAD held it position (like the DNC) "Amazed" would be right "we might have had totally different (and better?) candidates left now."
only a COMPLETE LIBSCAPE PARTISAN LIBERAL EXTREMIST could somehow spin this into a "hate Bush" its all the evil Republicans fault comment.
PATHETIC.
This is YOUR problem, not ours.
Good..so stay out of it Dave!
Nothing that you say will be helpful...
"let them eat cake!"
the dem party made the candidates promise not to campaign in florida...obamas campaign shouldnt be punished for that
the suggested split in story was reasonable compromise that slightly favored hillary and its still not enough
Hillary, like Bush, believes herself to be above the rules. She got more votes in Florida not because of name recognition, but rather because she actively campaigned there.
For whatever reason she got them, if she did not see the disadvantage of dis-enfranchisement and couldn't convince the DNC not to do so, or Florida not to jump the rules, then how is she supposed to be a convincing world leader???
I have always respected her (to a degree), liked her (to a point) and respected her politics, but the world will see, once the dust settles that she handled this all wrong and is now compounding her failures to have been pro-active when the irons were hot! (as they say)
I'm about tired of this BS.
If EITHER candidate had a problem with the rules they should have voiced their opinion AT THE TIME. Waiting to see the outcome of further contests THEN protesting is simply political shenanigans.
And this entire primary process is horrid. I love when people now keep telling me they are happy that they matter in this primary season. Can you imagine that? Having the choice between a no contest vote on the GOP side and two candidates on the Democrat side makes people thankful that they have a "choice." I have a more important choice every time I go to the grocery store and have to choose between paper or plastic.
New rule - Pick, vet, watch debates for all candidates for President through the first year of the midterm elections. We then have A primary in January of an election year for each party. We then spend the rest of the year watching the candidates slug it out until November. EVERYONE can count that way.
It does not matter what the two agreed to. What matters is that the people's votes must count.
Obama was the one that didn't put his name on the ballot in Michigan so he only has his own stupid self to blame for that.
The people must be heard. All of the people.
It should go all the way to the Supreme Court if necessary.
"Obama was the one that didn't put his name on the ballot in Michigan so he only has his own stupid self to blame for that."
Bull. Hillary and Dennis Kucinich were the only ones who left their names ON the ballot there.
If you throw out all rules in the primaries, you end up with total anarchy, not absolute democracy.
I doubt that this will ever go to the Supreme Court
The primaries are run by the parties under the rules the parties establish
I do agree that the voters are being punished for the stupidity of politicians in MI and FL
They simply should have run the primaries in those states again
I don't think it is ever a wise idea to ignore the voters in these states
The Supreme Court has addressed party primaries in the pat, notably in Smith v. Allwright. The political parties, although they claim to be "private clubs," perform a public function, and they can be required to observe standards of fairness.
Whether the Court will choose to hear this case (if it ever gets that far) is yet to be decided. Personally, I'd bet against it.
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Democratic presidential hopeful Hillary Rodham Clinton on Thursday rejected a compromise plan to seat Michigan's delegates to the national convention that would give 69 delegates to Clinton and 59 to Barack Obama.
Clinton's campaign has maintained that the delegation should be allocated according to the vote in the Jan. 15 primary (73/55) but Obama's campaign had argued the delegation should be split between the two candidates (64/64) because he was not on the ballot.
How can she demand the majority or all of the delegates in Michigan, when Obama wasn't even on the ballot? This woman has constantly cut her nose off to spite her face, and her mean spiritedness is ripping the democrat party to shreads.
well she was nice for one day,now back to being snotty...lol
Senator Clinton and everyone else agreed to the delegates anot being seated at the beginning of the game, now, as per usual, that things aren't all going her way, she wants to change the rules of the game, no,no,no, Hillary. This is exactly why the voters are tired of same old politics as usual. Manipulating the system for ones one benefit and self gain. She finished and everyone including Bill knows it. Did you see him during her "victory speech" after Indiana's primary? He so knows she's finished. Perhaps he should clue her in. She is making a total fool of herself here and the harder she tries, the worse she looks. We see her true colors shining through, we see her true colors and that's way we voted Obama true. I agree that every American's vote should be counted. MI and FL need to remove the legislators that botched this for them. Like Jimmy Carter said, Yes the votes should be counted , in 2012. I feel for the people left out, don't blame the candidates,
Good thing she's not a poker player..
"Give me those chips because I might have had 5 aces!"
Would she get shot from in front or from behind!
Or should we see it as slow-motion hara-kiri rather than nobly falling on her sword - with the possibility of resurrection to fight another day..
face it, if the shoe was on the other foot (Obama had a whole bunch of votes somewhere that weren't being counted) you KNOW you would be going on about the poor disenfranchised voters of whereever.
Face it, your great white leader, Howard Dean, shot the democratic party in the foot by threatening not to count the Florida and Michigan primaries and, now, the DNC is in a no-win situation. Despite what the Obama crowd says, there is no clear cut winner yet, they are neck and neck by many measures and there are two huge states (with lots of electoral votes) that are either going to be kicked to the curb, so they're peeved at the democratic party, or they are going to be counted, which is going tick off the Obama supporters to no end.
Go Howard!!
(and you guys think the dems are going to do much better than we've got at running the country when they can't even run a set of primaries?)
Hey, I'm an Obama supporter and I want FL and MI to have their voice heard! If a re-vote is what it takes, great! Who's gonna pay for it? The state legislatures don't want to cough up, even though the FL legislature that decided to go against party rules and change that state's primary date. I'm not sure what happened in Michigan.
Hillary wants the votes counted as is, even though Obama wasn't on the ballot in MI. As stated before, she was perfectly fine with those delegates being unseated when she thought she was 'destined' for the nomination. This is the only shot she has at the nomination: Hold her breath until she gets the votes counted the way she wants, which would narrow the delegate count and virtually eliminate Barack's lead in the popular vote. She could then make a better case to the superdelegates.
I'm surprised she's going this direction. I was hoping she was going to start playing nice to rebuild her reputation with the party/voters and then bow out gracefully.
But she's going to work the politics for all it's worth
I just hope she doesn't ruin her (and Bill's) reputation.
This week Clinton has taken every opportunity to point out that she is the choice of WHITE working-class voters. No major appearance goes by without her mentioning that many of her supporters are WHITE.
Until now she has relied upon surrogates--Bill Shaheen, Bill Clinton, Geraldine Ferraro, etc.--to play the race card for her, now she's playing it openly and persistently herself. I don't think that she is in the least concerned about "her reputation with the party/voters" and it certainly doesn't look like she ever learned to be graceful.
I see that clearly as well. This race thing is coming up again and again. Though we have clearly made enormous strides in America. Race is still that "Elephant in the living room". As soon as Obama tries to close the wound, either Clinton, or the conservatives open it again. At this point I think it's outright desperation, but i think she needs to be a little cautious with how much she uses this race thing. It can backfire on the entire party. Giving this issue to much legitimacy is against many of the principles the Democratic party stands on.
She knows she has lost the nomination. What she is doing is setting the party up so when Obama loses in November she can say she told them so. Then she will be the most favorable in 2012.
If McC gets in there may be no USA in 2012
Said like a typical playground bully.
Take a hint, Mrs. Clinton.
If she were trying to prove her leadership skills she would have challenged the DNC ruling BEFORE the election dates..NOT after!
This shows poor advisors and poor reaction to a potential "crisis'..In this case the "crisis" is her very candidacy.
No foresight equals bad leadership!