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Democratic presidential hopeful Hillary Rodham Clinton on Thursday rejected a compromise plan to seat Michigan's delegates to the national convention that would give 69 delegates to Clinton and 59 to Barack Obama.
Clinton's campaign has maintained that the delegation should be allocated according to the vote in the Jan. 15 primary (73/55) but Obama's campaign had argued the delegation should be split between the two candidates (64/64) because he was not on the ballot.
How can she demand the majority or all of the delegates in Michigan, when Obama wasn't even on the ballot? This woman has constantly cut her nose off to spite her face, and her mean spiritedness is ripping the democrat party to shreads.
Senator Clinton and everyone else agreed to the delegates anot being seated at the beginning of the game, now, as per usual, that things aren't all going her way, she wants to change the rules of the game, no,no,no, Hillary. This is exactly why the voters are tired of same old politics as usual. Manipulating the system for ones one benefit and self gain. She finished and everyone including Bill knows it. Did you see him during her "victory speech" after Indiana's primary? He so knows she's finished. Perhaps he should clue her in. She is making a total fool of herself here and the harder she tries, the worse she looks. We see her true colors shining through, we see her true colors and that's way we voted Obama true. I agree that every American's vote should be counted. MI and FL need to remove the legislators that botched this for them. Like Jimmy Carter said, Yes the votes should be counted , in 2012. I feel for the people left out, don't blame the candidates,
face it, if the shoe was on the other foot (Obama had a whole bunch of votes somewhere that weren't being counted) you KNOW you would be going on about the poor disenfranchised voters of whereever.
Face it, your great white leader, Howard Dean, shot the democratic party in the foot by threatening not to count the Florida and Michigan primaries and, now, the DNC is in a no-win situation. Despite what the Obama crowd says, there is no clear cut winner yet, they are neck and neck by many measures and there are two huge states (with lots of electoral votes) that are either going to be kicked to the curb, so they're peeved at the democratic party, or they are going to be counted, which is going tick off the Obama supporters to no end.
Go Howard!!
(and you guys think the dems are going to do much better than we've got at running the country when they can't even run a set of primaries?)
Hey, I'm an Obama supporter and I want FL and MI to have their voice heard! If a re-vote is what it takes, great! Who's gonna pay for it? The state legislatures don't want to cough up, even though the FL legislature that decided to go against party rules and change that state's primary date. I'm not sure what happened in Michigan.
Hillary wants the votes counted as is, even though Obama wasn't on the ballot in MI. As stated before, she was perfectly fine with those delegates being unseated when she thought she was 'destined' for the nomination. This is the only shot she has at the nomination: Hold her breath until she gets the votes counted the way she wants, which would narrow the delegate count and virtually eliminate Barack's lead in the popular vote. She could then make a better case to the superdelegates.
I'm surprised she's going this direction. I was hoping she was going to start playing nice to rebuild her reputation with the party/voters and then bow out gracefully.
But she's going to work the politics for all it's worth
I just hope she doesn't ruin her (and Bill's) reputation.
This week Clinton has taken every opportunity to point out that she is the choice of WHITE working-class voters. No major appearance goes by without her mentioning that many of her supporters are WHITE.
Until now she has relied upon surrogates--Bill Shaheen, Bill Clinton, Geraldine Ferraro, etc.--to play the race card for her, now she's playing it openly and persistently herself. I don't think that she is in the least concerned about "her reputation with the party/voters" and it certainly doesn't look like she ever learned to be graceful.
I see that clearly as well. This race thing is coming up again and again. Though we have clearly made enormous strides in America. Race is still that "Elephant in the living room". As soon as Obama tries to close the wound, either Clinton, or the conservatives open it again. At this point I think it's outright desperation, but i think she needs to be a little cautious with how much she uses this race thing. It can backfire on the entire party. Giving this issue to much legitimacy is against many of the principles the Democratic party stands on.
She knows she has lost the nomination. What she is doing is setting the party up so when Obama loses in November she can say she told them so. Then she will be the most favorable in 2012.
Well the more clinton makes race an issue, the less she can rely on the black vote if she does, somehow, get the nomination. A democrat can't win the white house without at least 70% of the black vote. If she offends the black vote, then why wouldn't they stay home if she rips them off?
It's just a bad strategy - so bad, it seems like a republican strategy.
FTA:
Democratic presidential hopeful Hillary Rodham Clinton on Thursday rejected a compromise plan to seat Michigan's delegates to the national convention that would give 69 delegates to Clinton and 59 to Barack Obama.
Clinton's campaign has maintained that the delegation should be allocated according to the vote in the Jan. 15 primary (73/55) but Obama's campaign had argued the delegation should be split between the two candidates (64/64) because he was not on the ballot.
How can she demand the majority or all of the delegates in Michigan, when Obama wasn't even on the ballot? This woman has constantly cut her nose off to spite her face, and her mean spiritedness is ripping the democrat party to shreads.
well she was nice for one day,now back to being snotty...lol
Senator Clinton and everyone else agreed to the delegates anot being seated at the beginning of the game, now, as per usual, that things aren't all going her way, she wants to change the rules of the game, no,no,no, Hillary. This is exactly why the voters are tired of same old politics as usual. Manipulating the system for ones one benefit and self gain. She finished and everyone including Bill knows it. Did you see him during her "victory speech" after Indiana's primary? He so knows she's finished. Perhaps he should clue her in. She is making a total fool of herself here and the harder she tries, the worse she looks. We see her true colors shining through, we see her true colors and that's way we voted Obama true. I agree that every American's vote should be counted. MI and FL need to remove the legislators that botched this for them. Like Jimmy Carter said, Yes the votes should be counted , in 2012. I feel for the people left out, don't blame the candidates,
Good thing she's not a poker player..
"Give me those chips because I might have had 5 aces!"
Would she get shot from in front or from behind!
Or should we see it as slow-motion hara-kiri rather than nobly falling on her sword - with the possibility of resurrection to fight another day..
face it, if the shoe was on the other foot (Obama had a whole bunch of votes somewhere that weren't being counted) you KNOW you would be going on about the poor disenfranchised voters of whereever.
Face it, your great white leader, Howard Dean, shot the democratic party in the foot by threatening not to count the Florida and Michigan primaries and, now, the DNC is in a no-win situation. Despite what the Obama crowd says, there is no clear cut winner yet, they are neck and neck by many measures and there are two huge states (with lots of electoral votes) that are either going to be kicked to the curb, so they're peeved at the democratic party, or they are going to be counted, which is going tick off the Obama supporters to no end.
Go Howard!!
(and you guys think the dems are going to do much better than we've got at running the country when they can't even run a set of primaries?)
Hey, I'm an Obama supporter and I want FL and MI to have their voice heard! If a re-vote is what it takes, great! Who's gonna pay for it? The state legislatures don't want to cough up, even though the FL legislature that decided to go against party rules and change that state's primary date. I'm not sure what happened in Michigan.
Hillary wants the votes counted as is, even though Obama wasn't on the ballot in MI. As stated before, she was perfectly fine with those delegates being unseated when she thought she was 'destined' for the nomination. This is the only shot she has at the nomination: Hold her breath until she gets the votes counted the way she wants, which would narrow the delegate count and virtually eliminate Barack's lead in the popular vote. She could then make a better case to the superdelegates.
I'm surprised she's going this direction. I was hoping she was going to start playing nice to rebuild her reputation with the party/voters and then bow out gracefully.
But she's going to work the politics for all it's worth
I just hope she doesn't ruin her (and Bill's) reputation.
This week Clinton has taken every opportunity to point out that she is the choice of WHITE working-class voters. No major appearance goes by without her mentioning that many of her supporters are WHITE.
Until now she has relied upon surrogates--Bill Shaheen, Bill Clinton, Geraldine Ferraro, etc.--to play the race card for her, now she's playing it openly and persistently herself. I don't think that she is in the least concerned about "her reputation with the party/voters" and it certainly doesn't look like she ever learned to be graceful.
I see that clearly as well. This race thing is coming up again and again. Though we have clearly made enormous strides in America. Race is still that "Elephant in the living room". As soon as Obama tries to close the wound, either Clinton, or the conservatives open it again. At this point I think it's outright desperation, but i think she needs to be a little cautious with how much she uses this race thing. It can backfire on the entire party. Giving this issue to much legitimacy is against many of the principles the Democratic party stands on.
She knows she has lost the nomination. What she is doing is setting the party up so when Obama loses in November she can say she told them so. Then she will be the most favorable in 2012.
If McC gets in there may be no USA in 2012
Well the more clinton makes race an issue, the less she can rely on the black vote if she does, somehow, get the nomination. A democrat can't win the white house without at least 70% of the black vote. If she offends the black vote, then why wouldn't they stay home if she rips them off?
It's just a bad strategy - so bad, it seems like a republican strategy.
Said like a typical playground bully.
Take a hint, Mrs. Clinton.
If she were trying to prove her leadership skills she would have challenged the DNC ruling BEFORE the election dates..NOT after!
This shows poor advisors and poor reaction to a potential "crisis'..In this case the "crisis" is her very candidacy.
No foresight equals bad leadership!