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complicit...
those at the top of any organization.. be it organized crime, amway, or government.... ALWAYS get their cut..
You would think Will we would, somebody,ANYBODY would have learned from Vietnam.
...Dumya did, that is why he and Cheney have said they don't want to keep body counts...
Malaki could easily point out Bush corruption in rebuttal - birds of a feather!
I agree on that point.
So you want millions to die as we pull out. That is one of the lessons. We had won the war and just pulled out leaving the South Viet Nam government defenseless because Kennedy and company pulled money for weapons and ammunition. You people talking about Viet Nam seem to forget the aftermath of the pullout. Way to go party of compassion.
WARNING!! Bushbot Alert!!
AFTER we did so much damage to Iraqs infrastructure, the Iraqis are permascrewed no matter what we do...i wish we could arrest and convict NeoConArtists on accessory after the fact for all the unnessesary deaths they continue to empower...
if we hadn't pulled out of Vietnam, we'd still be there. stay or go, millions will die in either case. it is impossible to win an insurgency on some one else's native soil.
Endo-
You seem to forget about the aftermath of the invasion, conquest and occupation of Vietnam, 55,000 US citizens dead, uncountable vietnamese dead, tens of thousands maimed.
Does this sound familiar? Maybe a little like Iraq?
I suppose you and McCain would rather still be engaged in the invasion, conquest and occupation of Vietnam.
If thats the case McCain would still be rotting in a POW camp and you might well be burrying your war dead children this sunday.
And don't forget about the fact that we are still fighting the Vietnamese who followed us home after Richard Nixon surrendered, cut and ran in the Vietnamese conflict. God knows we don't want to forget about that one.
Got WMD Endo? Got rectal/cranial inversion?
And we still have the backlash coming at us as the result of Nam. Not only the disabled Nam Vets, but the AmerAsian people who are coming to the U.S. today that were fathered while our troops were there. I saw hundreds of them as clients here in Louisville, and i know if there are that many here, how many of them are there nationwide?
Endo needs the history that the right wingers wanted to continue WWII too with Patton taking his corps against the Russians. Fortunately, Eisenhower prevailed and his policy of letting Russia collapse on itself as he said it would. Cons never learn... they just want to satisfy their immediate greed and gratification... even at the expense of others!
Your attempt at a History re-write just does not make it, Endo.
It is NOW time to wean the Iraqis from the U.S. teat. The Iraqis should police their own country.
Endo, see my refutation from page one. In addition let me say there is no evidence whatsoever that we were winning in Vietnam when Nixon pulled out.
By the time we pulled out of Nam, our govt had stopped sending even basic supplies to our troops there. They were fighting with sticks and stones, with no rations or anything. It was anything but a winning situation.
This disaster was why Bush was so adamant when he encouraged people to support him in sending troops to Afghanistan. He lied. Bush said that this would NOT become another Vietnam, which of course it has, and he knew he was going to turn it into another Nam going in.
And you seem to forget that the South Vietnamese government was a puppet government that we installed in the first place. Not a big surprise that after a foreign invasion and occupation lasting years, collaborators have a short life expectancy when the occupiers pull out.