McCain Was For Talking To Hamas Before He Was Against It... »
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Two years ago, in an interview with James Rubin for Sky News, Sen. John McCain expressed a willingness to negotiate with the terrorist group Hamas -- the very group that McCain has been relentlessly using to smear Sen. Barack Obama over the last several weeks.
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SonOfTheMask3 months, 2 weeks ago
Speaking of flip-flopping around, Barack's not too shabby himself:
http://politics.propeller.com/story/2008/05/14/...
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ybdogsct3 months, 2 weeks ago
Speaking of flip-flopping, here's another example:
http://politics.propeller.com/story/2008/05/15/...
"A crowd member asked McCain about a Bush statement that troops could stay in Iraq for 50 years. 'Maybe 100,' McCain replied."
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/16/us/politics/1...
"Senator John McCain declared on Thursday that most American troops would be home from Iraq by 2013. The remarks offered no proposals for how he would achieve that vision.
During his primary battle, Mr. McCain accused his rival Mitt Romney of setting a timetable for withdrawing troops from Iraq, even though Mr. Romney was merely speaking generally about timetables that might be set in private discussions among Iraqi and American leaders. Since then, Mr. McCain himself has come under repeated fire for offhand comments that he could envision a United States peacekeeping presence in Iraq for 100 years."
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SonOfTheMask3 months, 2 weeks ago
Compare this:
"Mr. McCain and his surrogates have repeatedly stated that Mr. Obama would be willing to meet "unconditionally" with Mr. Ahmadinejad. But Dr. Rice said that this was not the case for Iran or any other so-called "rogue" state. Mr. Obama believes "that engagement at the presidential level, at the appropriate time and with the appropriate preparation, can be used to leverage the change we need," Dr. Rice said. "But nobody said he would initiate contacts at the presidential level; that requires due preparation and advance work."
Dr. Susan E. Rice, a former State Department and National Security Council official is a foreign policy adviser To Obama. And yet, in the YouTube debate... (Cont'd)
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ybdogsct3 months, 2 weeks ago
SOTM:
"Compare this"
Actually, this is not how I interpreted Obama's answer in debate. You conveniently truncated Obama's answer to "I would" while ignoring his further elaborations. The full quote reads:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/24/us/politics/2...
"COOPER: In the spirit of that type of bold leadership, would you be willing to meet separately, without precondition, during the first year of your administration, in Washington or anywhere else, with the leaders of Iran, Syria, Venezuela, Cuba and North Korea, in order to bridge the gap that divides our countries? Senator Obama?
OBAMA: I would. Now, Ronald Reagan and Democratic presidents like JFK constantly spoke to Soviet Union at a time when Ronald Reagan called them an evil empire."
Obama was in favor of opening lines of communication in the same way Reagan did--by sending a member of his administration to meet with these leaders unconditionally.
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Goppy3 months, 2 weeks ago
Heh heh heh.
Aidenag said ... "He was FOR it before he was AGAINST it".
I remember how much fun we Christian ConserVatives had with that line when Kerry did it.
All my friends laughed and laughed at Kerry for that one ... It was a definin moment for our Right Wing Media Machine.
We had it playin on the National Mainstream Media for WEEKS!
But I dont think THIS example will get much air-play. After all ... MSM only runs storyes bout our right wing OUTRAGE ... it makes the best sound/video package after all.
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SonOfTheMask3 months, 2 weeks ago
Nothing could have been clearer than Obama's response to Anderson Cooper during the YouTube debate. (transcript)
{Cont'd}
COOPER: In the spirit of that type of bold leadership, would you be willing to meet separately, without precondition, during the first year of your administration, in Washington or anywhere else, with the leaders of Iran, Syria, Venezuela, Cuba and North Korea, in order to bridge the gap that divides our countries? Senator Obama?
OBAMA: I would..
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ybdogsct3 months, 2 weeks ago
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-op-leffl...
"A briefing book was prepared for Vice President George H.W. Bush and Secretary of State George Shultz to use in their talks with the new Soviet leader in Moscow after Chernenko's funeral. Bush and Shultz met with Gorbachev."
Obama would be willing to send members of his administration to meet with these leaders unconditionally and lay the diplomatic groundwork that would eventually lead to an:
"engagement at the presidential level, at the appropriate time and with the appropriate preparation, can be used to leverage the change we need," Dr. Rice said. "But nobody said he would initiate contacts at the presidential level; that requires due preparation and advance work."
Personally, I didn't think Obama's position was that difficult to comprehend. But I guess when you truncate his quotes out of context, you can end up confusing yourself.
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SonOfTheMask3 months, 2 weeks ago
I think you're right. Obama's positions aren't difficult to comprehend...until you realize that, at different times, they say different things about the same subject.
That part is confusing to most, but obviously not to his supporters. They can take what they like when he gives it to them and not bother about the rest...even when it's demonstrated to them in black and white.
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SonOfTheMask3 months, 2 weeks ago
One of the very big differences between the two is that McCain has a rather vociferous element of critical "conservatives" that are none to happy about certain of his positions. So, your suggestion here, while having some truth in it, is hardly comparable to many Obama supporters who simply hear "hope" and "change" and "I'm not Bush" and walk away with a smile...and never see the flip-flopperies that are there for the finding.
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lfergie8123 months, 2 weeks ago
I would say a change back to what we had in 2000 would not be a bad thing.
One thing is for certain. The present policies of this administration aren't working and McCain is the nearest candidate to continue them. He has went on record as saying that the economy is doing well. Another senior moment or out of touch with reality??
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Goppy3 months, 2 weeks ago
Thats why we Christian Conservatives HATE Obama.
Who does he think he is bein all normal and so unliek the normal politician.
I remember hearin ... since I was a kid ... 'all politicians are the same'.
Well, this Obama fella AINT the same.
He dont campaign the same.
He dont respond to sityations the same.
However, we Righties will REFUSE to vote for him.
And by NOT votin for him, we demarcate Number 1,574,027 instance of hypocrisy.
Yeah!!! 1,574,027!!!
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SonOfTheMask3 months, 2 weeks ago
"You don't see "flip-flopperies" from Obama because there are none ..."
Wrong. They are there, but Obamaniacs don't want to see them for what they are. I hear a lot about "28-percenters" that supposedly just blindly support Prez Bush...you Obamaniacs sound like you're a lot closer to the reality of "blind followers" than those you like to criticize.
;)
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bubba23 months, 2 weeks ago
You are going to have to supply more than your propellor article that has no substance and your 'example' of one thing Obama said versus one thing his advisor said in order to document your accusation of multiple "flip-flopperies" by Obama.
Obama has said he would negotiate with Iran and not bomb them whenever he has been asked about it.
Whereas, McCain has always been the one that spoke and has contradicted HIMSELF on MANY issues.
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SonOfTheMask3 months, 2 weeks ago
Fair enough to elaborate on the quote. However, it does not help, because Obama was replying for himself, as potential president:
"...would YOU be willing to meet separately, without precondition, during the first year of your administration, in Washington or anywhere else, with the leaders of Iran, Syria, Venezuela, Cuba and North Korea, in order to bridge the gap that divides our countries? Senator Obama?"
Not sending diplomatic personnel or a plenipotentiary.
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ybdogsct3 months, 2 weeks ago
SOTF:
"Fair enough to elaborate on the quote. However, it does not help, because Obama was replying for himself, as potential president"
You continue to ignore Obama's full response. I understood the word "you" in the quote to mean "your administration"--and it's clear from his reference of Reagan's diplomatic strategy with Moscow that this is how Obama's answered Cooper's question.
This would be obvious to anyone who bothered to read Cooper's ENTIRE question along with Obama's ENTIRE response within the proper context. You, however, persist in quoting truncated excerpts out-of-context, just as you did in your post above, so it's not surprising why you continue to be confused.
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SonOfTheMask3 months, 2 weeks ago
Is that the best you have? Are you telling me that you truly honestly think that the question was about the "administration" and not Obama as potential president? Really, truly? Cuz, I'm really doubting that those leaders would come to Washington (read Cooper's question again) only to meet with someone "else" in the adminstration.
You can keep saying that YOU interpreted and that's fine, but I'm thing you MISinterpreted the plain question and response.
Especially when Cooper's question was prefaced with:
"In 1982, Anwar Sadat traveled to Israel, a trip that resulted in a peace agreement that has lasted ever since."
Want to try your interpretation again?
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ybdogsct3 months, 2 weeks ago
SOTF:
"I'm doubting those leaders would come to Washington to meet with someone "else"."
And why is that? There are MANY leaders who have NEVER been to Washington and may welcome the chance to warm relations with the U.S., even if it meant meeting with the VP or Secretary of State first.
SOTF:
"You can keep saying that YOU interpreted, but I'm thing you MISinterpreted the plain question and response."
Read your own article again. Cooper certainly phrased his question in a way that implied a personal, unconditional meeting between Obama and leaders of enemy nations. But, Obama chose to take that question in a different direction by saying he would open the lines of communication IN THE SAME WAY REAGAN DID. This tactic is NOT uncommon in presidential debates.
I don't know why this is so difficult to understand. It seems as if you're more interested in confirming your misconception than understanding Obama's position.
Typical.
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SonOfTheMask3 months, 2 weeks ago
LOL...nice try. You can avoid the plain question and answer all day and night. Obama answered with a simple, declarative statement: "I would". It's an unambiguous reply to the question that EVEN YOU finally accept was phrased to imply a personal TRIP a la Anwar Sadat to meet with other leaders.
Let me know when you're done with "spinning" this into something that it isn't.
Ah, it's late for me. Thanks for the LAUGHS! Keep trying!
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ybdogsct3 months, 2 weeks ago
SOTM:
"Obama answered with a simple, declarative statement: "I would"."
There you go again quoting truncated excerpts out of context. "I would" was NOT Obama's entire response. A paraphrase of Obama's full response would be "I would [but only in the same way Reagan did]."
The sooner you can wrap your mind around this simple concept, the sooner you will be able to truly understand Obama's position.
But then again, I've overestimated you before. Perhaps, I'm overestimating you again here and you won't be able to understand this simple concept.
That would actually explain quite a bit. LOL.
Pathetic.
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SonOfTheMask3 months, 2 weeks ago
LOL, nope. As I said before and continue to say, you're MISinterpreting it. The simple declarative statement was in reply to whether or not HE as president would meet with other leaders, unconditionally, in the first year of his hypothetical presidency.
It's simple. He said yes. The full context of the statement inevitably leads back to his affirmative.
This is just to hilarious. I tried to leave to go to bed, but your continued defense of a ludicrous line of reasoning has kept me titillated. I think rather than underestimating me, you've overestimated yourself.
Good night, Mr. Pathetic.
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ybdogsct3 months, 2 weeks ago
SOTM:
"It's simple. He said yes. The full context of the statement inevitably leads back to his affirmative."
Clearly, reading comprehension is not your forte. Maybe that's why you persist in truncating Obama's full response to two words "I would" and ignoring the meaning of his full response. What's the matter? Did Obama's full response use too many polysyllabic words?
Must be that infamous Republican education that I hear so much about.
LOL.
Pathetic.
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lfergie8123 months, 2 weeks ago
Maybe Kennedy,Nixon, and Regan were traitors for meeting with Russians during the "Cold War". Anyone with an ounce of intelligence would meet with the leader of a foreign country for a peaceful settlement before taking military action. We could not have had a more combative enemy than the USSR during the "Cold War" but our presidents still talked to them. Kennedy, Nixon, Ford, and Reagan talked with the USSR before their collapse. The only problem I see here is the continuous threat of military action by the current Republicans against anyone that doesn't do as they demand. What a bunch of idiots.
Oh! For the record, the USSR would have been considered terrorist by the present definition used by this administration.
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donald513 months, 2 weeks ago
...its all just an excuse not to do anything...since the Bushies were going to do nothing anyway! Haven't you seen how well the Repugs can rationalize their failures and do nothings... generally to place blame anywhere else but on themselves! Bush and his cronies... with the most failures in modern history of any US president... and should have been impeached but for those sycophant senatorial repugs that still back his vetos and would not support his impeachment conviction (party over the rule of law is standard with repugs, the terrorist party of America).
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SonOfTheMask3 months, 2 weeks ago
Dog don't hunt lfergie.
The issue was whether or not Mr. Obama would meet "unconditionally" with the leader of a state such as Iran and his foreign policy advisor said that wouldn't happen.
Except, of course, that Mr. Obama personally said as straight-forwardly as possible that he WOULD do EXACTLY that. THe New York Times even had to print a correction to that effect. Whoops.
Whether or not the policy is good, bad or indifferent the issue was whether the Obama camp was flip-flopping on it...they tried, but got called out on it.
No wonder the Palestinians are eagerly phone-banking on behalf of Mr. Obama's candidacy.
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lfergie8123 months, 2 weeks ago
Dog does hunt. I think the article under discussion is whether McCain would have talked to Hamas leaders and he is now smearing Obama's position. My point is that great leaders have talked to the "enemy" during moments of crisis in the past but now it isn't acceptable. Your discussion, along with others, is bringing Obama into it when McCain has stated he would have talked to them until he heard the criticism that was leveled at Carter for talking to them. That would be a political flip flop change of position I believe.
What does it matter whether Obama would or would not have talked to them? The issue is McCain criticizing Obama for taking the position he himself had but evidently changed for political reasons and forgot what he once said.
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SonOfTheMask3 months, 2 weeks ago
I missed this one last evening. Valid points about McCain saying he might meet with Hamas.
But, the reason I said "dog don't hunt" is that you were introducing a separate (albeit related) discussion. My point centered on the fact that Obama too is quite guilty of flip-flopping. My original comment wasn't that McCain hasn't flip-flopped on subjects (he has), it was "Speaking of flip-flopping around, Barack's not too shabby himself"
Note that I didn't say, "McCain doesn't flip-flop, Obama does". I said Barack's not too shabby at flip-flopping either...meaning that they both do it.
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bubba23 months, 2 weeks ago
Nope ... it was aimed at you ...
I'll repeat, just be clear --
You can't accuse Obama of flip-flopping unless Obama HIMSELF said it one way and then said it another later on.
It was McCain HIMSELF that made contradicting statements about his own positions, from his OWN lips.
So, your example of flip-flopping is bogus.
Dr. Rice is Obama's "adviser" - she is not Obama, and Obama doesn't have to take her advice 100% of the time. That is what an adviser is - a 'recommender', not a commander who controls what Obama says or does.
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dunkirk3 months, 2 weeks ago
ROFLMAO< I think you need to go baclk and re-read YB's responses. WHen you read the comment Obamna made its very clear YOU are twistingand spinning to achieve an end of making him look like a flip flopper to cover trhe fact that the REPUBLICAN candidate resembles a fish outr of water when talking about the issues facing the nation.
Altho what continues to amaze me is after YB has handed you your ass on a platter you continue to wanbt to strut around the room showing it off on that platter.
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bubba23 months, 2 weeks ago
So ... what, pray tell, is wrong with that?
When people TALK to each other, no one gets shot or blown up.
And, the "rogue state" label put in Iran is an OPINION, because there is and NEVER HAS BEEN any proof that they are doing anything to make any nuclear weapons.
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SonOfTheMask3 months, 2 weeks ago
The point was not the potential efficacy of the proposed unconditional meetings with leaders of "rogue" states...rather it was an example of the about-faces and flippity-floppities that abound in Obama World.
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bubba23 months, 2 weeks ago
So, because Obama said one thing, and what his ADVISER said conttradicts what he said, THAT is flip-flopping?
Not unless Obama HIMSELF said it one way and then said it another later on.
It was McCain HIMSELF that made contradicting statements about his own positions.
So, your example of flip-flopping is bogus.
Dr. Rice is Obama's "adviser" - she is not Obama, and Obama doesn't have to take her advice 100% of the time. That is what an adviser is - a 'recommender', not a commander who controls what Obama says or does.
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SonOfTheMask3 months, 2 weeks ago
LOL, okay. I'm glad that Obama isn't responsible for what his spokespeople say. Whew! That's a relief.
I'm not sure which is scarier...that you believe what you're saying here or that Obama's own advisers don't have a clue what they're boss man "really" means...
Actually, maybe all that Obama flip-flopping and purposeful vagueness really HAS left his spokespeople a bit in the dark...
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bubba23 months, 2 weeks ago
Who said Obama is or isn't responsible for what "his people" say?
What is Obama supposed to do, line all of "his people" up every day and review what he wants to say that day so that no one says it any differently?
Not even every person in Bush's administration agrees with or takes the same stand on issues that he does. Is Bush "responsible" for what they say? Is that flip-flopping by Bush??
You really are trying to pull that needle out of the haystack to make a point that is an orange compared to Mccain's apple ... multiple apples, actually ....
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SonOfTheMask3 months, 2 weeks ago
Oh that's just one of many, bubba2. Go read the article in the link I provided.
Or just think through all the different things he did and said on one simple subject: Rev Wright.
If that wasn't prima facie evidence of flip-floppery multiple times, nothing else would ever qualify as flip-floppery.
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dunkirk3 months, 2 weeks ago
ROFLKMAO, what is amazing is after you get shot to pieces by YB you seem to have this facisnation with running around and telling everyone you got shot to pieces by YB. The article you mewntion doesn't support the position your making (except possibly to the 20%'ers), when the comments you;ve chosen to cherry pick in truncated for ARE read in their entirety it becomes obvious what is happening is an attmepot at right wing spin.
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SonOfTheMask3 months, 2 weeks ago
LMAO at you dunkirk. Maybe to you and others who don't like to expand your minds and see facts for facts, it might seem like I was "shot to pieces". LOL, not at all. If anything, it goes to show that you can lead Far Lefties to the truth but you can't make them accept it. Eee-awww! Bray for me.
The remarks, in full context, support exactly my contention. Anderson Cooper asked a straight-forward question, even giving us an example (Anwar Sadat) and Obama answered just as straight-forwardly. Yes, he would meet with leaders of "rogue" nations without precondition, personally, in Washington or elsewhere, in the first year of his hypothetical presidency.
Even you should be able to read it and understand. I won't hold my breath, though.
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dunkirk3 months, 1 week ago
"LMAO at you dunkirk. Maybe to you and others who don't like to expand your minds and see facts for facts"
ROFLMAO, maybe you can explain how "expanding our mind" is achieved with truncated comments taken out of context? Sounds a lot like the usual rghtr woing spin.
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bubba23 months, 2 weeks ago
Reverend Wright is not an issue - as you all LOVE to say about Cindy McCain (who won't publish her tax returns), SHE is not running for President.
Well, neither is Wright. What HE says is not the same thing as what Obama says - unless you can prove that Wright IS Obama ...
The issues people SHOULD be concerned about - and SHOULD be expecting the candidates to TALK about and the media to REPORT about, are Iraq, Afghanistan, the economy, poverty, jobs, Iran, the national debt, health care - all of the RELEVANT problems, not the personal attacks.
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SonOfTheMask3 months, 2 weeks ago
Be honest, bubba2. Obama flipped and flopped on Rev Wright. It was embarrassing to watch. Just as the article I linked showed, he moved from position to position to position. And guess what? He had already told ole Rev Wright that he might be an embarrassment to him...a year before the YouTubes starting showing up. A year beforehand he scratched Rev Wright at his campaign kickoff...Wright was supposed to have given the invocation. Why'd he scratch him from that event? Rev Wright already gave us the answer...because Obama knew that Wright could be inflammatory.
Flippity floppity floo
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bubba23 months, 2 weeks ago
You want to compare a HUMAN BEING and what Obama says about one person to a MULTIPLICITY of ISSUES of which McCain has PUBLICLY contradicted himself.
It is not the same thing, but telling you that is totally useless because you are SO HUNG UP on "Obama and Wright" - ONE 'issue' about ONE person - when you really should be more concerned about McCain's public contradictions - from his OWN lips - on supporting veterans, on Hamas, on Iraq, on torture, on taxes, on earmarks, and on lobbying.
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bamababy3 months, 2 weeks ago
Okay, so are we all responsible for the actions GWB? He's our "so called" commander in chief" so, does that mean we all agree 100% with what he says and does? Come on. We can only hold someone accountable on actions attributed directly to them. Bush is by definition a terrorist, look up the defininition ... I'll take a talker over a war monger or perpetuator any day of the week.
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donald513 months, 2 weeks ago
poor example, as the peace he (sadat) established remained. At least his negotiations and compromise brought real progress versus gunboat diplomacy (or just cowardly condemnation from afar as his comments on "axis of evil" were) from the gitgo which Dumya prefers! Condi is a total failure as security advisor and an ever greater failure as Sec of State... typical cronyism, screw-up and move-up!
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bamababy3 months, 2 weeks ago
So what is your problem with talking? More talk and less war, wouldn't that be a better alternative to the mess we're in right now. Perhaps we could regain some international respect once again. We teach our children to use their words to resolve conflict. How does one justify to the next generation that war is the only way to settle conflict of interest? Why in the world would we not use diplomacy if it were possible? Mkae love,not war
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ybdogsct3 months, 2 weeks ago
And now for the coup de grâce:
http://politics.propeller.com/story/2007/11/18/...
SONOFTHEMASK: "McCain is a good man, but I think he's past his prime. I admire his perseverance and his service to our country, but I don't know about his capacity to be President for four years. I'm starting to listen to Mike Huckabee. I didn't know him that well. He seems like a straight shooter and a good guy. Some won't like his strong Christian background, but that is a plus for me personally."
http://politics.propeller.com/story/2008/01/22/...
SONOFTHEMASK: "Thompson poached votes from Huckabee. Whether or not it was deliberate to help McCain, I don't know, but I do know that McCain and Thompson are big wigs among the Republican old guard, so it wouldn't surprise me."
Something tells me SONOFTHEMASK is in ANY position to accuse ANYONE of flip flopping.
LOL.
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SonOfTheMask3 months, 2 weeks ago
LOL! What flip flop do you think you're demonstrating to us, ybd? I still feel exactly the same way and there's nothing "flip-floppery" about it. McCain is a good man, I do think he's past his prime. Just as Aidenag notes below, his age is a subject worth considering. I do think Huckabee is a straight shooter. I do think Thompson was the direct impact that took away Huckabee votes; I'm hardly alone in that analysis. I don't think the party old guard was enamored of Huck for his populism. It wouldn't surprise me if Thompson stayed in at the behest of party bigwigs to neutralize Huck's attractiveness.
No flip flops there! Coup de grace? I think you'd better examine that term to see if it means what you think it means.
Hey, by the way, how'd you like that Hillary LANDSLIDE over Obama. Wonder why it was called a landslide?
LOL, didn't know you were such a fan of my posts. Good for you.
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ybdogsct3 months, 2 weeks ago
SOTF:
"Hey, by the way, how'd you like that Hillary LANDSLIDE over Obama. Wonder why it was called a landslide?"
Actually, I'm still waiting for your documentation. My claim was that the term "landslide" was used subjectively. You seem to think it's a technical term with a set definition. Well, by all means, you're welcome to prove it as you haven't successfully done so already.
LOL.
SOTF:
"What flip flop do you think you're demonstrating to us, ybd?"
What do you think I was demonstrating? LOL. Can't you read your own posts. You were against McCain before you were for McCain.
FYI, your flip floppery was found within a 5-minute search. It was certainly not that difficult, which leads me to believe this is just one of MANY examples of your flip floppery floating on the web.
"Pwned." LOL.
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SonOfTheMask3 months, 2 weeks ago
Wrong now just as before when we spoke about landslides. I think you're wrong so often that you can't tell the difference.
I wasn't against McCain, I was concerned that his age was an issue. Maybe you should try reading it again and see it for what it was and not what you desperately want it to be.
Hey, I'll give you back that word you used to like so much...
PATHETIC
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ybdogsct3 months, 2 weeks ago
SOTM:
"Wrong now just as before when we spoke about landslides."
Still waiting for your proof documenting that the term "landslide" is a technical term and was not being used subjectively. Of course, only a partisan hack would attempt to cite Nixon's 96.6% to 3.2% electoral college election win as a "20% margin." It sounds like another case of you quoting truncated excerpts out of context.
LOL.
SOTM:
"I wasn't against McCain, I was concerned that his age was an issue."
LOL. Right. You were never against McCain's election to the presidency. You just thought he was past his prime, thought McCain was too old to last 4 years, opposed McCain seeking re-election (if he actually ended up winning a first term), and accused Fred Thompson and John McCain of colluding in some questionably-ethical election trickery.
Yup, it certainly sounds like you were always McCain's biggest fan. LOL.
Pathetic.
And once again, "Pwned."
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SonOfTheMask3 months, 2 weeks ago
LOL, grasping at straws ybd. I never said McCain was my favorite candidate. I've said from the beginning that I thought his age was an issue, as you've noted. I haven't changed that position. However, he is the presumptive Republican presidential nominee. And while I remain concerned about his age, I'd much rather vote for him and run the risk of his possible physical frailty than vote for Obama just cuz he's younger. LOL.
No flip-floppery on my part at all, despite your desperation. Just pathetic grasping at straws on you part. Keep trying, it's funny and I'm bored otherwise.
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ybdogsct3 months, 2 weeks ago
I don't have to try, as it is YOU who is attempting to defend your own words in vain. But your words speak for themselves. You can try talking yourself into pretzels all you want. It's certainly amusing seeing you try to deny what is available in plain text for everyone to see and judge for themselves. And what is clear from your previous posts is this:
You were against McCain before you were for McCain. Period.
LOL.
Pathetic.
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SonOfTheMask3 months, 2 weeks ago
LOL...you want to read nuance into something that isn't nuanced at all (Obama's reply to Cooper on the subject of a personal, unconditional meeting with leaders of rogue states)
but then,
You don't want to see nuance where it does exist. I stand behind everything I stated. McCain was NOT my first choice, that's the truth. The fact that I support him now is based on the comparison to his likely opponent.
It's not different than all those people who are supporting Hillary right now that will vote for Obama. Obama was not their first choice, but they'll vote for him. Is that flip-flopping? If so, boy howdy!!! The Dems are even more full of flip-floppers than we thought!!
HAHAHAHA!!! Stick in a fork in the "dog", folks, he's done (again).
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ybdogsct3 months, 2 weeks ago
SOTM:
"It's not different than all those people who are supporting Hillary right now that will vote for Obama."
Most of these Clinton supporters did not accuse Obama of election fraud the way you accused John McCain and Fred Thompson of collusion against Huckabee. LOL. It's one thing to have a valid objection to a candidate's political position, but it's quite another to accuse a candidate of ethically-questionable collusion to win an election.
Any more lame excuses? Or is this the best you have?
LOL.
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libsRfunny3 months, 2 weeks ago
"You don't want to see nuance where it does exist. I stand behind everything I stated."
Ahh .. .don't get yourself in a lather over the dog's elitist BS. He likes to pretend he's superior when he really has no idea what he's talking about.
I've had the goof lie saying he's published peer-reviewed research, but he doesn't even have a graduate degree and can't interpret actual research papers. I've also had him try to tell me sampling in relation to polling involves math, which it does not.
Fact is, the dog is quite an a$$ and proves it often. Pathetic.
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ybdogsct3 months, 2 weeks ago
LOL. Is that so? I'm pretty sure I already explained I had earned a master's degree concurrently with my bachelor's.
But since you seem to be begging for proof, then why don't you explain to everyone these:
1) How do the intramolecular properties of haloalkane substituent groups direct the regioselectivity of indium-mediated arylation insertions?
2) Under what reaction conditions are 2-plus-2 cylcoadditions favored and disfavored, and how do recent advances in ruthenium-mediated olefin metathesis catalysts circumvent these limitations?
3) Here, I'll even throw you an easy one. Use Shrodinger's equation to explain the UV fluoresence of conjugated and aromatic systems as opposed to saturated or isolated-unsaturated hydrocarbons.
Go ahead. I'll wait for your response, although something tells me I shouldn't hold my breath. No one's impressed with your Safety-School Paparazzi degree.
LOL.
Class dismissed.
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dunkirk3 months, 2 weeks ago
You need to remember Bush winning in 2004 was called a mandate by the right wing.
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lfergie8123 months, 2 weeks ago
Huckabee wasn't supported by the Republican political machine. He and Paul said a few things that the GOP didn't like so McCain is their best bet to fall in line and carry on the present failed policies of the present administration.
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bamababy3 months, 2 weeks ago
Landslide? She isn't even on the page anymore, and the sad thing is, she refuses to acknowledge it. The longer she goes on the sadder she becomes. I always knew she had no dignity and she once again is showing her total lack of it. This woman thrives on public humiliation and how anyuone could cast a vote for her is beyond my comprehension.
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Aidenag3 months, 2 weeks ago
I wonder if this was a senior moment that caused McCain to screw up this bad. I mean there is no way he would put so much attention on Obama being willing to talk to Hamas, if he had actually remembered that he himself said he would as well not all that long ago..
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SonOfTheMask3 months, 2 weeks ago
McCain might not be so keen after he finds out folks are phone banking for Obama:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21YF7ggCG6g
"Ahmed Yousef, a political adviser of the anti-Israel terrorist group Hamas said Hamas supports Obama last Sunday.
"We don't mindâ;;actually we like Mr. Obama. We hope he will (win) the election and I do believe he is like John Kennedy, great man with great principle, and he has a vision to change America to make it in a position to lead the world community but not with domination and arrogance," Yousef said in an interview on WABC radio.
In recent days, Obama's position on the Isreali-Palestinian conflict has been scrutinized. One of his Middle East advisers, Robert Malley, resigned over the weekend after reporters found Malley had met with Hamas."
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Aidenag3 months, 2 weeks ago
well age is pretty fair game slate. We do not allow a president under a certain age, so what is wrong with debating about a president being too old? It's a medical fact that people wear down with age, especially in their 70's. Tie it in with his medical history, and i think it's a pretty vital question that everyone should be talking about, regardless of political party.
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slate3 months, 2 weeks ago
It may be, if only you on the left could talk about the issue with out just tossing out cheap shots.
Heck FDR was only 63 when he died.
Lincoln, FDR and Kennedy all three had medical issues; those three names are the
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