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Posted By TechnologyExpert 4 months, 3 weeks ago in NewsBarack Obama criticized his likely general election rival John McCain on Wednesday where it could hurt most - the Arizona senator's reputation as a champion of ethics. Hillary Rodham Clinton, meanwhile, raised the possibility she might carry her fight to the Democratic convention floor.
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aniokly4 months, 3 weeks ago
If I were Senator Obama I would stay away from any discussion of ethics. He is known in Illinois as a typical Chicago politician, he has ethical problems of his own. All Chicago politician are corrupt. He was chosen right out of law school by Mr Rezko who helped him buy his mansion. There was some skulduggery there, and Mr Rezko is being sued by the son of a high up in the Nation of Islam who feels they ripped him off in the sale. There is also a $220,000 payment from Exelon who received some favorable legislation from Obama in the Illinois Senate. This guy is not as clean as Democrats would like you to believe. I hope McCain looks at his record, and calls him on his ethical problems.
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joeblowe4 months, 3 weeks ago
I live near Chicago, Barry is "my" senator (who actually DOES respond - or someone in his office does - when I send him critical or other e-mail - so he has at least THAT much in his favor.) and I suspect that ani is correct this one time. As I have mentioned on many previous posts: The DEFAULT for Democratic politicians from Illinois is "corrupt until proven otherwise."
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fsev414 months, 3 weeks ago
The entire editorial board of the Chicago Tribune questioned Mr Obama about the home purchase and found nothing illegal or unethical about the transaction. Maybe, just maybe, that group has a better grasp of the facts than you do Ani. And the Tribune is certainly not known as a left leaning publication. One would think that by now you would have spewed all the hatred that one person could hold but alas, it just keeps coming.
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lum-chate4 months, 3 weeks ago
Interestingly, Sen. Obama's 429,000-vote margin in Cook County alone is larger than the winning margin of either candidate in any state. The Cook County Crooks are at it again. They'll do anything to further the career of their new favorite son and they will expect reciprocation on his part. America beware!
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raats66624 months, 3 weeks ago
Aniokly-I hope McCain looks at his record, and calls him on his ethical problems.
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Be careful what you wish for. McCain is the LAST person who should be trying to dig up stones given the glass CASTLE he lives in.
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slate4 months, 3 weeks ago
((((All Chicago politician are corrupt.))))
I'm not sure one can make that statement or not, unless it's just an opinion.
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Lurch4 months, 3 weeks ago
ani,
there has never been a more corrupt president and corrupt administration than the Bush admin. And McCain has already shown he is just as bad if not worse than Bush.
* Private property theft for crony profits
* Keating Five
* Adultery to make Bill Clinton blush
* Lobbyist offices on K Street empty because they all working on mcCain`s campaign
* overturned Boeing contract, only to hire the lobbyist for the foreign company that then stole the multi-billion contract and all those jobs away from an American company
When McCain snores, he makes the sound of a dollar bill counting machine.
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Justice4All4 months, 3 weeks ago
This is all in Hillary's best interest. A fight to the end, even if it destroys the party is her only chance of getting the 2008 nomination.
And if she fails this year her next chance will be 2012 only if McCain wins the election. So anything she can do to win this year, or make sure Obama loses the presidential election is in her best interest.
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IanFraigun4 months, 3 weeks ago
Problem is I expect someone running for president to have the best interest of the country and its people as the prime issue. If she destroys the party trying to get what has slipped from her grasp she definitely is the wrong person for the job not only this time but anytime in the future. All others have put the interest of the country ahead of their personal interests and dropped out when it became clear they could not win as they were not interested in destroying their party and possible the entire country. She is the only one not doing that, just like she was the only one not to remove her name from the Michigan ballot when all others did due to party rules. Self interest is good at times but not when you are running for this office.
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earthlingerer4 months, 3 weeks ago
It's not about the party, in any case now. It's about the prize, and the competing vision of what each thinks is better for america.
As if I or anyone else would want someone as president who would just roll over and not fight for the job.
When they decided at first not to count Florida, that did much more damage to the party than Clinton did. Look at the "big contributors" who asked for their money back. Then look at those that just might not even vote, or will vote republican...
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Blackacereturn4 months, 3 weeks ago
Well said Ian, just when I think the entire world has gone mad a glimmer of hope. They are all talking about what a tough fighter she is, and that's all good and well but at some point you have to realize you are only harming yourself. Which I think she is, and by that I mean the party, and if her intent is to remain a DEM ultimately she is harming her chances of ever getting voted into any office again! Shortsighted people are always dangerous and thus far they have been nothing but shortsighted. I voted for her here in NY, a vote well placed at the time but since then i have developed a bad taste in my mouth for her conduct!
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aniokly4 months, 3 weeks ago
Hillary is going to the convention to prove how unqualified Obama is to compete in the General election. He thinks he is the nominee already, but he has been bested 2 to 1 in 2 state primaries by the alleged loser. That make him look pretty silly. He opens mouth inserts foot at every campaign stop. He is for talking to Iran without pre contitions, then he is against it. He is very naive. We met with Chinese delegates 134 times before President Nxon went to China. He thinks there are 57 states in the U S, he is giving affirmative action a bad name.
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lum-chate4 months, 3 weeks ago
Romney's a Mormon and thus a favorite son of Utah. 1st prominent Mormon to run for President since his father in 1968.
Identity politics at work there similar to Obama's victory in Georgia where he beat Clinton by 35% because of the huge black voting block in Georgia. Does anyone in there right mind think McCain would lose in Utah no its voted Republican in every election in the last 44 years. Does anyone think Obama can win Georgia in the general no. Georgia only voted Democrat in the last 44 years when a Southern Democrat governor headed the ticket. Silly comments.
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SpareChange4 months, 3 weeks ago
Ani
All that stuff you list in your badmouthing Obama, whether true or not, pales in comparison to McCains having lobbiests on his staff who work for Saudi Arabia - you know, the country that actually attacked us on 911.
Clinton is a strong candidate, she's no slouch - thing is, we have 2 great candidates and the Republicans have which great candidates?
youll defend mcCain, where as 6 months ago, you'all hated him
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fsev414 months, 3 weeks ago
Ani seems to hate everybody, but especially Barack Obama. An acquaintance of mine who is a lifelong repub, a former elected official in a high Illinois office, and former Repub party chairman in Illinois speaks highly of Obama as a uniter and strongly ethical. The Chicago Tribune editorial board vetted Obama on the home purchase and other issues and came to the conclusion that there was nothing illegal or unethical involved in the transaction. I have to believe they know a little more than Ani. Way too much hate in one person. Sorry to repeat but he original post didn't show up in a timely manner
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lum-chate4 months, 3 weeks ago
Hillary should expose the democratic nomination process for what it is.
The most obvious flaw is illustrated by the the Idaho Caucus.
Only Utah voted Republican by a larger % than did Idaho in 2000 & 2004
69% to 30% in 2004, yey the "Caucus King" received 80% of the Idaho vote & a 15 to 3 edge in pledged delegates. The Democrats could not win Idaho if they were running against Larry Craig yet Obama 12 delegate edge in Idaho cancelled Clintons 12 delegate edge in Pennsylvania. 16,000 fanatical lefty reformers in Idaho cancelled out the vote of 1,250,000 Pennsylvanians. A states votes the Democrats need to win with with 21 electoral votes in the general in the primary is negated by a state the democrats can't win with 4 electoral votes in the general.
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1-2-Oscar4 months, 3 weeks ago
A challenge to the rules at the convention would be futile. The seated delegates, a majority of whom will be committed to Sen. Obama, will then be asked to overturn their majority. Sen. Clinton knows that the only possible result will be another rejection and a deeper division within the Democratic Party, but she doesn't care. This is not about "fairness--it is about Hillary Clinton. This is not about what is good for the party--it is about Hillary Clinton. This not about what is good for the nation--it is about Hillary Clinton. If she is not the nominee, she is willing to destroy the Democratic Party and assure four to eight more years of Republican leadership.
No one in American political history has ever been so destructive, so relentless, and so dangerous to the continuance of a participatory republican form of government. Hillary Clinton is a monster.
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IanFraigun4 months, 3 weeks ago
False logic. If she causes McCain to win by destroying Obama then she would be lucky in the future to get 10% of the party support she now has.
I have always said, as so many have, that I would vote for either one in November, but if she tries to overturn Obama's ability to win in November and destroy her party not only I, an Obama supporter, but my wife, a Hillary supprter, will never cast any ballot for her ever again. There are too many like that for your proposed methods to ever succeed for her.
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CRYMTYPHON4 months, 3 weeks ago
1-2-Oscar:
The reason you repeat the phrase 'its all about Hillary Clinton' is because you are obsessed with the monster you have created in your mind.
Try this:
call her Sally; then consider the facts.
Sally is a good mother; married once, no divorce. Yale Law School, lots of ambition, lots of friends.
First Lady for 8 years; she was used as target practice by those aiming at her husband. She smiled, worked hard, didn't break.
Running for president, Sally has known for months she can not win the nomination. But Sally has style and stubborness; she doesn't like to quit.
At the convention, after every card is played, Sally will
concede with grace. As she said to Obama supporters, 'I will work my heart out for him'.
And why? Because she does not like to quit; and her goal is not the presidency for Sally, but to get a decent president for this country.
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SpareChange4 months, 3 weeks ago
Clinton's just selfish. She's power hungry and greedy. She wants to best her husband and can't stand to think that she will not be able to rise above him.
If she keeps it going she might ruin her chances in the future
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joeblowe4 months, 3 weeks ago
This isn't that hard to figure out. Hillary's primary campaign is several million dollars in the hole. By staying in the primary, she can continue to beg for money to help pay off that debt. Most of which is HER own money. Her strategy from now to the convention will PROBABLY be, cut WAY back on expenses and beg like mad to try to make up the shortfall.
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dandt16124 months, 3 weeks ago
The Obama supporters keep shouting it's over, it's over. Hmmm... Makes me think they are afraid that something else might come out about him between now and the convention and turn voters to the other candidate. Besides if most of hillary's debt is her own money what does it matter to Obama's supporters? It's not their's. This process is not going to hurt the DNC party.
Hillary should be allowed to run her campaign till the very end. Period
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raats66624 months, 3 weeks ago
Even though I'm an Obama supporter I completely agree that Senator Clinton should be allowed to run her campaign to the very end AND I believe that FL & MI need to be included at the convention. I do NOT, however, think that Senator Clinton's 'solution' to FL & MI is realistic or fair. That said....
Once a determination is made (on May 31) about FL & MI (which I suspect will NOT be what Senator Clinton wants continuing to 'beat that dead horse' by appealing to the Convention floor, does NOT help her case.
I would also point out that IF there were anything to come out (at the 11th hours) the Clinton machine CERTAINLY would have found it. And if the Clinton machine didn't logic would dictate that the Republican machine would. There are probably more people trying (and have been for quite a while) to find ANY dirt on Obama then ANY Presidential candidate in the history of this country. Since the Repubs would rather face Clinton, they too, have an interest in finding dirt.
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THOMNH624 months, 3 weeks ago
it is not even close to over, Hillary will take the nomination from O'bama if she can. She does not care about the country, her party or anyone else. It is all about Hillary and her quest for power
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cushi4 months, 3 weeks ago
Shrillary is selling the citizens of FL and MI a bill of goods! She has no vested interest in their votes counting other than her own self interests!! It's not what she can do for them, but what they can (and I'll laugh out loud if they outsmart her) do for HER that matters.
I am absolutely shocked and appalled at her conduct since the outset of this campaign. She has clamped down on something she can't have like a pit bull, and will only manage to tear away flesh from the Democratic Party if somebody doesn't get her to heel!!
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Mdiar4 months, 3 weeks ago
Sen. Clinton has every right to do this. She has activated many new voters for the Democratic Party, just as Sen. Obama has, and has broken many gender barriers. She deserves respect and has the right to carry on this nomination battle as long as she sees fit. Sen. Obama would have the same right if he were in the same situation. I only hope a compromise can be reached between these two candidates in this extremely close race.
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newbie04204 months, 3 weeks ago
New article here, saying what I've been saying all along:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080522/pl_afp/usv...
"The Quinnipiac University surveys had McCain up 45 to 41 percent on the Illinois senator in Florida
In Ohio, another vital battleground that narrowly went for Bush last time around, McCain leads Obama 44 percent to 40 percent
Obama however leads McCain in Pennsylvania, by 46 to 40 percent.
The poll also appeared to bolster Clinton's arguments that she and not Obama is the best bet for Democrats to take on McCain in states likely to shape the outcome in November's general election.
She led Arizona Senator McCain in all three states, in which she also won in primary votes against Obama. The former first lady led 48 to 41 percent in both Florida and Ohio and by 50-37 percent in Pennsylvania."
If the dems want to win they want to run Hillary....
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Mdiar4 months, 3 weeks ago
http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Clinton/M...
http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Obama/Map...
A good site to check out from time to time... it basically says exactly what that article does.
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abntv4 months, 3 weeks ago
I have said it before and I will say it again...
The Democratic Party will survive...and if it doesnt they only have themselves to blame.
You know back in August and September, nobody was allowed to say anything negative about Clinton...now half of her own party is ripping her apart and feeding her to the wolves. Only in America
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