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  TimALoftis3 months, 1 week ago

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  Former White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan writes in a surprisingly scathing memoir to be published next week that President Bush "veered terribly off course," was not "open and forthright on Iraq," and took a "permanent campaign approach" to governing at the expense of candor and competence.

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    TimALoftis3 months, 1 week ago

    * McClellan charges that Bush relied on "propaganda" to sell the war.

    * He says the White House press corps was too easy on the administration during the run-up to the war.

    * He admits that some of his own assertions from the briefing room podium turned out to be "badly misguided."

    * The longtime Bush loyalist also suggests that two top aides held a secret West Wing meeting to get their story straight about the CIA leak case at a time when federal prosecutors were after them and McClellan was continuing to defend them despite mounting evidence they had not given him all the facts.

    * McClellan asserts that the aides Karl Rove, the president's senior adviser, and I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, the vice president's chief of staff "had at best misled" him about their role in the disclosure of former CIA operative Valerie Plame's identity.

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      bubba23 months, 1 week ago

      McClellan's statements were "Badly misguided"?

      I'll give credit to McClellan for exposing some of the lies of the Bush administration - but he lied.

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        Goppy3 months, 1 week ago

        Oh jeesh!

        Yet ANOTHER former White House employee spillin the beans bout the UNPRECEDENTED MORAL VACANCY of this administration!!

        Well, I for one -- well, not for one really -- I along with ALL the Righties on Popieller who STILL express UNDYIN support for this administration will CONTINUE to express support for GW.

        Why?

        I dont know really. I guess because, if we Christian Conservatives admit that the man we put so much faith in is the worst presdient in history ... on SO MANY levels, whose gointa believe us when we back a candidate in the future?

        I mean ... when I see LIBBIES criticise GW, we Christian Conservatives launch into angry tirades that LIBBIES ARE BUSH BASHERS! And we say that all libbies can do is BASH, BASH, BASH.

        But Scott McClellan aint no Bush Basher. David Kuo werent no Bush Basher ... The dozens of other former employees werent Bush Bashers.

        Maybe you Libbies got this one right. Goerge W. Bush is a misguided idiot and bad for our nation.

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          Goppy3 months, 1 week ago

          Id liek to add in defense of Christian Conservatives throughout the nation --- who voted for GW because he said he was a Born Again Christian, and a Compassionate Conservative.

          You know, we are just poeple, liek you. We can get fooled. And while there are STILL some folks who support GW --- maybe because their world is supported by the notion that Conservatives are a Rock of Reason --- I think we realize, in our heart of hearts --- that this administration aint even REPUBLICAN in nature.

          They aint even CONSERVATIVE in nature!

          Goerge RAN as a Republican. But we come to find out, he AINT a Republican.

          Goerge RAN as a Conservative. But we come to find out, he AINT a Conservative.

          Goerge RAN as a Christian. But I aint never seen a Christian LIE as much as GW, be responsible for so much DEATH as GW, and be so CALLOUS to the health and wealth of our nation as GW.

          NOPE! GW is a Horse of a differnt color.

          We just learnt that lesson too late.

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            Locky123 months, 1 week ago

            There is really something wrong here. You have a close aid to Bush who got summarily dumped in a White House shakeup. He accepts fond farewells from the President but goes on to write a scathing book.

            I suppose he wanted to boost his image. The press never liked him much after the erudite Ari Fleischer and before the very smooth Tony Snow. But the president stuck by his old friend from Texas despite the criticism.

            But when the White House got a new Cheif of Staff, McLellan was first to go. His biggest criticisms are for the other staffers, those who survived the shakeup.

            I am not a psychologist here, but there seems to be jealousy here and hurt feelings. He claims to know what was said at meetings he was not at. He rails against things he was a part of.

            Despite all this alleged evil, he appaently never objected or threatened to quit. He was fired.

            Sour grapes.

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              CRYMTYPHON3 months, 1 week ago

              "He rails against things he was a part of. Despite all this alleged evil, he appaently never objected or threatened to quit."

              You may have to work on that, Lock.

              If his charges are NOT true, he can bnot be railing against them; nor is he tainted for not quitting."

              If his charges ARE true, then interpreting his motives is a distraction; and you wouldn't want to distract from the point, right?

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                amazed3 months, 1 week ago

                sounds an awful lot like, "so, when did you stop beating your wife?"

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                  Lurch3 months, 1 week ago

                  how about, "so, when will you stop stealing from Americans and ******ing on the Constitution?"

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                  CRYMTYPHON3 months, 1 week ago

                  I am not, at this time, asking or denying he may have or even may yet be to some extent, 'beating his wife', however we would have to take into account the inteligence available at the time.

                  I could have had that job. I know it.

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                blowback3 months, 1 week ago

                > He criticizes the media for not doing its job

                Ironic.

                He should have been asking himself the hardball questions.

                He must have been saving them for the book.

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              Lurch3 months, 1 week ago

              the only sour grapes here are yours Locky.

              You still have the gullibility to defend the worst prez in our history, and considering you`re on these boards and not out golfing or sailing, my guess you are also a victim of the Bushies` wealth transfer agenda.

              BTW, Ari was about as erudite as a snake. The guy lied on the fly to make an improv comedian blush. He was an superstar liar, and still is. He is like Ann Coulter, but with better vocabulary and slightly more class, but still a pathological liar.

              Tony Snow is slick, like Bill Clinton slick with the girls.

              McClellan was also a liar, but when he finally got sick of being Bush`s whipping boy on immoral lies that got GIs killed, he called it quits and wrote the book. Maybe he sleeps better now.

              Nice try though, blaming the messenger. Real original for a con. lol.

              You need a new fallacy, ad hominem aint working for ya any more.

              Take yer pick:

              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Logical_f...

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              MRCOFFEECAKE3 months, 1 week ago

              He resigned from the administration who was only administering lies.. Nice try.

              If there is ONE person left who has ANYTHING good to say about Bush, THAT will be your expert to whom you will all flock and

              keep helping clean Bush's dirty diaper.

              After all that you see

              don't you have any common sense, or do you just like wiping asses?

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              vor3 months, 1 week ago

              That is just pathetic Locky! Pathetic! Once again the truth comes out and you can't handle it. How do we know it's the truth? Because hell, we saw this occuring at the very same time McClellan is talking about. Clearly propanganda was used, clearly questionable info was pushed forward and reality evaded.

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              MRCOFFEECAKE3 months, 1 week ago

              What is wrong here is your continued idiocy while you continue

              to fight against the uncovering of all that has been proven true.

              You are a shill...

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          Blackacereturn3 months, 1 week ago

          I red this article earlier today and was dumbfounded, not just at bush but this guy also. Knowing what you know as an American you should feel the need to save this nation from the likes of these people. Where is your so-call love for our country, where does your loyalty stands? Does it stand with a man or this nation, and the presidency which is bigger than any man?

          He is just trying to sell books and has to do better than the guy before him, I hope there is many more books seller this way we will get to the bottom of this mess! This story is appalling and so is Mr. McClellan for doing nothing while our country sank into this mess!!!

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            Blackacereturn3 months, 1 week ago

            He says the White House press corps was too easy on the administration during the run-up to the war.

            * He admits that some of his own assertions from the briefing room podium turned out to be "badly misguided."

            "badly misguided." what does this mean? you mean you help them lie to the American people!

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            mesodude3 months, 1 week ago

            "I red this article earlier today and was dumbfounded, not just at bush but this guy also. Knowing what you know as an American you should feel the need to save this nation from the likes of these people."

            --I get the impression that this book is not just payback to Bush and Co but a way for him to atone for his actions. I just can't believe it's a coincidence that his book (like David Kuo's in '06) comes out in an election year. And the White House is going apesh*t.

            "Scott, we now know, is disgruntled about his experience at the White House," Perino said. "For those of us who fully supported him, before, during and after he was press secretary, we are puzzled. It is sad. This is not the Scott we knew."

            Spin, Dana! Spin! LMAO

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              Beau78903 months, 1 week ago

              Well, it's hard to take anything Dana Perino says seriously, after this confession (from a Washington Post article):

              "During a White House briefing, a reporter referred to the Cuban Missile Crisis -- and she didn't know what it was.

              " 'I was panicked a bit because I really don't know about...the Cuban Missile Crisis,' said Perino, who at 35 was born about a decade after the 1962 U.S.-Soviet nuclear showdown. 'It had to do with Cuba and missiles, I'm pretty sure.'

              "So she consulted her best source. 'I came home and I asked my husband,' she recalled. 'I said, "Wasn't that like the Bay of Pigs thing?" And he said, "Oh, Dana." ' "

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                mesodude3 months, 1 week ago

                Perino is pretty but she's unbelievably vapid and nasty. It seems as if the White House was seriously scraping the barrel after Ari Fleischer left. And after the clownish Tony "I don't know" Snow, I was sure Bush's handlers had learned their lesson but they turned around and hired preening, finger-counting Barbie. Unless the volume is turned down on my TV, I find her completely embarrassing to watch.

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                  dissent3 months, 1 week ago

                  fleischer was a bare-faced lying a$$hole to start off with. after him it all went downhill

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                    mesodude3 months, 1 week ago

                    No argument from me other than to say he was a more competent liar and reasonably intelligent, at least.

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              kedirian3 months, 1 week ago

              When White House Staffers, especially in this administration, "support" their higher-ups, do they do that verbally, in writing, or nasally - know what I mean?......

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              Blackacereturn3 months, 1 week ago

              "Scott, we now know, is disgruntled about his experience at the White House," Perino said. "For those of us who fully supported him, before, during and after he was press secretary, we are puzzled. It is sad. This is not the Scott we knew."

              Spin, Dana! Spin! LMAO

              He knows the one who acted like he hate his country, not the one that has found a renewed love for it!

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          Leemck023 months, 1 week ago

          Goppy, I don't think the majority has an ought with Christian Conservatism, in it's purest form. It was how this administration hid behind it or used it as a wedge to keep a distraction going while doing just the opposite of the very things Christianity stands for. It is so bad, the ideology is referred to as "Cons". I still the 'W' Still the President stickers. The Liberal Thinking isn't the issue, we are all Americans and are going to be here. The policy and procedure that we all have to abide with as well as who is handling our national security and treasury is of concern. All this Hagge and Wright stuff, meantime trying to get a rise out of the Catholics, is so far off base from what the Executive Branch is supposed to be doing. A faith based initiative, LOL, when we need solid management, economics and accounting. When you don't have the facts, baffle em with BS. Faith in W; no Vote for change.

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        jordan113 months, 1 week ago

        Yes he did lie. I get a kick out of these people 'exposing' bush, when they themselves were in the thick of it.

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          hamy3 months, 1 week ago

          EXACTLY! McClellan is now trying to say that he thought he was telling the truth when I remember his fat face lying through his teeth to try and cover up the incompetence of this administration. He is just as guilty as Bush and Cheney themselves.

          Don't give him any more money. He has suckled the teat of America's tax payers long enough. Don't buy this book. Steal it.

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            scott42613 months, 1 week ago

            I almost pity Scott McClellan. It's easy for all of to criticize him for his complicity in the crimes of the Bush Administration. Those of us who come into contact with Republicans daily in our working lives and family life know many who wanted so desperately to believe in the Bush Administration. These are not bad people and everyone I am speaking of is quite educated, but they WANTED to believe the lies they were being told. And like McClellan, they have come around to understanding the malfeasance that many of us have been aware of all along. My Republican mother voted for Bush and she has made many of the rationalizations McClellan apparently made while he was press secretary. And to this day my mom still doesn't want to speak ill of the President. Having said that, to say she is disillusioned is an understatement.

            I'm gonna take this for what it is. McClellan may have "found religion" like Former Defense Secretary McNamara did in the '90s.

            Then again, maybe not...

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              Blackacereturn3 months, 1 week ago

              Granted Scott your point well taken...why not come out while you were quiting if you were concerned about the country...Ill tell you why because he wanted to sell books! This guy is as much to be blamed as bush he was there for 4 years he should have known! Well he did say he knew when he saw rove and scooter meeting in the west wing!

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              jordan113 months, 1 week ago

              I know what you mean scott, and I have friends and family who did come to the realization that the bush administration has been a disaster. We don't talk about it much because frankly I think they're embarrassed and a little angry that they missed the writing on the wall. However, for a person to be in the position to know what was going on, and quietly make an exit without warning his country, is quite another matter, IMO.

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              Radiofreeeuropa3 months, 1 week ago

              scott4261 said it well. McClellan shouldn't be dismissed because of his participation in the Bush Junta, It seems he wanted to do his job and be a "team" player back then, but has had a conscience since. This is better than the lobotomized shills still on intravenous Koolaid. He may be the best possible look inside the hidden machinations of the Junta.

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            Blackacereturn3 months, 1 week ago

            You know what you had about 50% of this nation saying these things were lies and you did nothing they would have backed you. You did nothing and then stayed for 4 years and waited for another 2 so you can sell a book. Mr. McClellan to hell with you. You let your country and the American people down!

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            jordan113 months, 1 week ago

            Which means what? If he knew it was wrong, he shouldn't have done it.

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                dissent3 months, 1 week ago

                so your saying that because you say he's like a lawyer, that he was defending his client even though he knew his client was lying? yeah suuuure, tell that one to the judge

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                    dissent3 months, 1 week ago

                    only thing.... mclellan's not a lawyer.

                    so it's not the same thing.

                    to him it was a job that paid bucks and carried prestige and power. now it's all gone sour he's bailing out. he took a gamble and lost. the book better be a thick one, he's going to need it cover his a$$. this guy is no innocent by any stretch of the imagination. he was front and center the whole time in the car showroom selling lemons

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                jordan113 months, 1 week ago

                He's an American. He has the same responsibility to his country that we all do. And he did NOT serve as bush's attorney! There was no 'client privilege' involved in their relationship.

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                  jordan113 months, 1 week ago

                  And he did NOT serve as bush's attorney! There was no client privilege.

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                    dissent3 months, 1 week ago

                    why play devil's advocate when there's already enough idiots around here sharing a brain cell to try and beat up any lame excuse?

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                        dissent3 months, 1 week ago

                        "Who among you without sin will cast the first stone?"

                        don't ask me, ask all the people who died in iraq. if you don't get an answer ask their wives, husbands, brothers, sisters, sons, daughters how much sympathy they have for this repentant sinner.

                        btw, i think i missed his moment of repentance. can't see it in the article. he's flicking blame every which way but at himself. even to say he was misguided is to direct the blame elsewhere. so, what page was that repentance on again?

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                    jordan113 months, 1 week ago

                    Sorry. Trying to discredit me by telling me to 'calm down' is a CON tactic, & I give no respect to CONS. Are you a CON?

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                Blackacereturn3 months, 1 week ago

                Ok LM To start with I am not calling yout you know what lol. I don't get your point, he may not have made policy, but we are assuming he knew what was bad for our/his country and he stood there and did nothing while these tyrants went about destroying the country, and it's good name. It's not like he didn't see a segment of the citizenry crying out for someone to stop these people he must have. I can see your point but I can't excuse this person. Here is why, had it been me, my country would come before the man. I would have done anything to stop him as it is I have done everything in my power to stop him including getting arrested 3 times this far for protesting against him! This attitude that there is degree of tolerance needed for lies is just silly. Have we gotten to the point where lying to get us into a war is acceptable?

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        newbie04203 months, 1 week ago

        "I'll give credit to McClellan for exposing some of the lies of the Bush administration - but he lied."

        Maybe he's lying now to sell a book?

        Maybe not lying but stretching the truth to sell a book?

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          mesodude3 months, 1 week ago

          "Maybe he's lying now to sell a book?"

          --Maybe you're grasping for straws? He's confirming things most Americans have long suspected about Bush.

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            newbie04203 months, 1 week ago

            Maybe if a horse could talk and it bashed Bush you would believe it too?

            An admitted liar calling someone else a liar, all when his new memoirs is coming out doesn't sound fishy to you?

            Bush himself has already admitted some of the info they used was bad. I'd be more upset with the Rep and Dem congress that allowed the wool to be pulled over their eyes if I were you.

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              Lurch3 months, 1 week ago

              an admitted liar, got lied to by the most famous liar in America, and now is exposing that famous liar and his lies.

              Naturally, you attack the one who is exposing the truth, finally. If would be anti-Republican not to attack the messenger.

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                donald513 months, 1 week ago

                ...and the Repugs have really unleashed the attack dogs on Scott today!

                Kou, Dumya's faith based guy said Dumya only uses religion as a front, so he quit. O'Neil said Dumya loses his attentioan span after 15 minutres and Cheney takes over. Brownie trashed all the Bush cronies. Joe Wilson was awarded by Bush I only to be trashed with his wife by BushII. Kofi called Dumya a "war criminal" and then was charged with his son's crimes wrongly by the Bushies. The Dixie Chicks. Maj Ritter, formerly of the UN Inspection Team, always said Dumya was a liar. El Baradie was trashed even when he was right out those aluminum tubes. Even Colin Powell now admits he gave the UN a pack of lies.. ....

                There is a terrorist party in America - the Repugs!

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              mesodude3 months, 1 week ago

              "An admitted liar calling someone else a liar, all when his new memoirs is coming out doesn't sound fishy to you?"

              --Here's the thing, newbie... Cons are lightning quick to embrace an"admitted liar" when said liar is expressing views they feel square with their point of view. Interesting how "once a liar, always a liar" suddenly doesn't apply when you like what the person lying has to say.

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                donald513 months, 1 week ago

                ...why all those freedom fighters the Repugs like and pardon are really just terrorists by everyone's definition.

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              cleare3 months, 1 week ago

              newbie -

              i don't think you'd believe the truth about this administration if god himself/herself told you directly to your face.

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                Goppy3 months, 1 week ago

                A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

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                  newbie04203 months, 1 week ago

                  Why would you personally attack cleare like that Goppy?

                  Shame on you.

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                newbie04203 months, 1 week ago

                And I believe you would believe anything BAD abot this administration, even if God himself told you it was a lie.

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                  mesodude3 months, 1 week ago

                  And how is that worse than believing nothing about him is bad?

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    mcgrievysr3 months, 1 week ago

    TimALoftis----"Former White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan writes in a surprisingly scathing memoir to be published next week that President Bush "veered terribly off course," was not "open and forthright on Iraq," and took a "permanent campaign approach" to governing at the expense of candor and competence"

    Exactly what we've been saying here, but now it comes from inside the White House.

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    libsRfunny3 months, 1 week ago

    I wouldn't be surprised if "not open and forthright" winds up meaning very little. The man is tweaking the press and public to buy his book.

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      mesodude3 months, 1 week ago

      Yes, all Bush critics are "disgruntled" or opportunistic. We know, we know... Just like David Kuo, Colin Powell, Joe Wilson, Valerie Plame, Brownie, Paul O'Neill,Alan Greenspan, Tony Snow, John Ashcroft, Chuck Hagel, Brent Scowcroft, et al They're all just dishonest to the core. Right, libsr?

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      Lurch3 months, 1 week ago

      SOP for the truth: attack the messenger.

      I wonder how long before the cons attack McClellan`s wife or kids.

      Just like SOP for economic problems caused by completely corrupt mismanagement: fear and hate mongering - expect it cause it is coming.

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      disraeli3 months, 1 week ago

      Libs,

      Is there any connection between the meaningless "not open and forthright" and the equally meaningless "fair and balanced"?

      It seems we are surrounded and bombarded by words and phrases whose actual meaning, as intended by the speaker or writer, is the opposite of the normal ordinary meaning.

      As reference material Orwell's 1946 essay "Politics and the English Language" is instructive.

      To quote Orwell's observation on the state of the English language in 1946 "It becomes ugly and inaccurate because our thoughts are foolish, but the slovenliness of our language makes it easier for us to have foolish thoughts."

      It seems that the intervening 60 years of self reinforcing feedback between slovenly language and foolish thoughts has had it's predictable effect - meaningless phrases passed off as profound pearls, and worse accepted as such.

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    MRCOFFEECAKE3 months, 1 week ago

    Same group of shameless fools voted to sink this story.

    Their stinky little pack is getting smaller..

    From what do they stink you may ask??

    The odor of those who continue to be responsible for a completely unaccountable administration that is damaging this once proud country and relies on trained animals like them to keep defending the defenseless...

    These people know no shame and have no sense of what being a true American requires..They are stubborn, brainless fools.

    They have absolutely no standards for what a president should be..What can they tell their children?

    Here they have in bold crayon the absolute outing of their idiot leader and they still defend him blindly, YES, like NAZI's did Hitler. Their loyalty to their pig leader and his pig friend Cheney is inexplicable. They have nothing to add to this nation. What a waste.

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  smithichie3 months, 1 week ago

  Sounds like it will be an interesting book. The quote that caught my eye was this one.

  "The collapse of the administration's rationales for war, which became apparent months after our invasion, should never have come as such a surprise. â;¦ In this case, the 'liberal media' didn't live up to its reputation. If it had, the country would have been better served."

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    bubba23 months, 1 week ago

    Gee ... again, thanks to Scott for his book and his revelations.

    But he participated in the lies - he didn't HAVE to do so. But I guess he was paid well for it?

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      Beau78903 months, 1 week ago

      Yeah. There was a time when people who disagreed so strongly with their own administration would speak up publicly and quit. Now they simply wait until it's too late, then write a book.

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        Charlson3 months, 1 week ago

        You need never lie for a good cause but need to have a bag full of lies to defend rotten ones.

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        mesodude3 months, 1 week ago

        Knowing this administration, I think he's kinda brave for releasing the book while Bush is still in office and in an election year.

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      Will13133 months, 1 week ago

      Gee ... again, thanks to Scott for his book and his revelations.

      But he participated in the lies - he didn't HAVE to do so. But I guess he was paid well for it?

      ----

      and he'll make a LOT MORE MONEY ON THIS BOOK...

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    hamy3 months, 1 week ago

    Um...how 'bout "if you hadn't lied to them, they wouldn't have to expose the lies?" Huh? What about that?

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      mesodude3 months, 1 week ago

      hehehehehehe... Amen.

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    mesodude3 months, 1 week ago

    I am surprised I haven't seen any quotes about Cheney yet. I wonder if there will be references to "Darth Rove".

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  Niimki3 months, 1 week ago

  Ouch..this has to hurt the Bush loyalists a little. I like the use of the word "propaganda". Yup that would be what the selling of this war was alright. And that B.S. just keeps piling up.

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    DoseASpinoza3 months, 1 week ago

    "Ouch..this has to hurt the Bush loyalists a little."

    I doubt it. They are the true believers, and none of them, Bush included, ever cared about the fallout on the rest of us.

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  Shadowolf3 months, 1 week ago

  ...former Presidental SpokesLiar Scott McClellan finally comes clean...(While still attempting to cover his own butt...LOL!!!)Pity Tony Snow(job) never will...

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    Charlson3 months, 1 week ago

    The job of White House Press Secretary has become so soiled lately that I've got to wonder what moral person could accept a job that includes lying, misinformation, deceit and subterfuge as part of the job description.

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  rightfromwrong3 months, 1 week ago

  GEORGE JR. HAS AN I.Q OF 91...ONE LESS THAN HIS FATHER

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      mntnman4443 months, 1 week ago

      According to McLellan,the "total LIE" came from BushCo.

      Ya loved him then didn't ya!

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          mntnman4443 months, 1 week ago

          Great!...maybe you are seeing the light...I was talking about McClellan.

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            mntnman4443 months, 1 week ago

            Hey Nixie...here's a kleenex.

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      Blackacereturn3 months, 1 week ago

      Bush was the perfect president for these guys not very bright. This is why they hated Clinton and why they hate Obama because they can actually read and understand what they are reading. Why do you think they didn't go after his other brother Jeb, because he is ummm smart!

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        amazed3 months, 1 week ago

        I'm not particularly into Bush and his administration, but you're right it's because I can actually read and understand what they are saying that I am not taken in by Clinton or Obama, either.

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          questionseverything3 months, 1 week ago

          what part of obamas call for open honest govt dont u like?

          or is it the fact that lobbyists have NOT funded his campaign and wont have control of policy that bothers ya?

          mccain's entire campaign is run by lobbyists...we found out just yesterday that gramm was raising funds,supplying economic advise to mccain WHILE he was a paid lobbyist for a foriegn bank that doesnt want these "troubled" home loans re written,so much for whats best for the american peops

          amazed as i remember u r a business person...let me ask u...what good do low taxes do when the current admin has ruined the economy and inflation is out of control?when ur dollar is worth a 2/3 of what it was when w was sworn in? when peops r homeless in the streets and u r not safe in ur home?

          there has to be a balance and common sense used and we americans need a negotiator thats trying to work in OUR best interest

          i have watched obama for a long time here in illinois and i think he is that person

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            scott42613 months, 1 week ago

            "what part of obamas call for open honest govt dont u like?"

            Isn't is funny how that question IS NEVER REALLY ANSWERED?

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              amazed3 months, 1 week ago

              open and honest govt would be a good thing. I just don't think that we're going to get it from Obama -- he seems like a snake oil salesman to me -- saying whatever we want to hear. He calling for "change" -- change to what? From what he's saying, the change he's looking for is to bring us the rest of the way we have to go to become socialist.

              It is true that we have more inflation now than we have had for quite a while. Is it out of control? I don't know, it doesn't feel nearly as bad as it was in the late 70's and early 80's when the prime rate was up to 17%.

              Violent crime is still quite low historically. I don't feel unsafe in my home nor in the streets. I go to Manhattan regularly, something I wouldn't dream of doing in the 70's and 80's.

              I have a problem all of these people who have no qualms about abandoning their jobs for two years while they go searching for a better one. Thise doesn't strike me as new age, but same old same old.

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                Blackacereturn3 months, 1 week ago

                amazed - are you for real? What was wrong with going to Manhatten in the 80's? I live in NY and I never felt afraid of going to Manhatten in the 80's! Who abandon their jobs for 2 years while looking for a new jod which world are you living in, who does that? Why don't you think we could not get open and honest govt from Obama. I don't knopw what a snake oil salesman is if you don't think bush was one.

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          amazed3 months, 1 week ago

          being intelligent is not being elitist. It is the slurs about the "little people" -- they're bitter, they're clinging to their guns and their religion. I'm sorry that is a pretty disturbing sentiment to me. His attitude that he knows better what we need and want than we do is elitist.

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              questionseverything3 months, 1 week ago

              i have often wondered myself how some peops continuely vote against there own economic best interests(by voting republican when they have the income of a dem)

              the bitter comment and clinging to guns and religion was about explaining the repubs get peops to believe,the dems want to take ur guns away,so u need to vote with the neo con millionares if u want to keep them

              or the emotional attack on a womans choice to reproduce or not

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          Blackacereturn3 months, 1 week ago

          It takes a degree of intelligence to run this country Yes. If that makes the person elitist then so be it. Bush has been the poster boy for my argument. Stupid is as stupid does.

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      disraeli3 months, 1 week ago

      Alpha,

      Well no, not entirely so. Snopes did debunk the e-mail/internet ranking allegedly researched and published by Lovenstein Institute, primarily because there is no Lovenstein Institute.

      Following the links in the Snopes debunking leads to an article, generally defending Bush, which states "no IQ data are available for George W. Bush".

      So Bush's IQ is a matter of conjecture as no data is available.

      It could be 191 or 91, who knows. But it wouldn't be wise to misunderestimate the man.

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    DoseASpinoza3 months, 1 week ago

    Dubya has the IQ of a Raisinet.

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      mntnman4443 months, 1 week ago

      More like a Goober.

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        UnusualSuspect3 months, 1 week ago

        LOLOL...!!!

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