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Posted by: TechnologyExpert 3 months, 1 week agoSixty years after the United Nations adopted the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, governments in scores of countries still torture or mistreat their people, Amnesty International said Wednesday in a report that again urged the United States to close down the GuantÃ;¡namo Bay detention camp in Cuba.
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Charlson3 months, 1 week ago
Boy aren't we in an exclusive club...China, Russia and the European Union. Could we call it the Torturer's Club International? When a government condones torture as a national policy; that government no longer has a high moral ground in which to govern. You've sunk to the level of your enemies and are no better than they are, in getting what you want, by breaking laws to get it. If individuals break laws in our society, society would lock them up. Who will lock up those responsible in our own government? Our system is not working anymore when criminals in government can condone torture and get away with it.
And don't think I wouldn't torture you and kill you if you'd kidnapped or hurt my family. But I'd take the responsibilty and punishment for my behavior unlike my government. And my crime would be personal and not state sanctioned.
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earthlingerer3 months, 1 week ago
The EU only hands them over to the US, who do the torturing. There's a LOT of arm twisting going on there, especially in the neighborhood of Rumsfeld's "new europe".
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djn3nunez33 months, 1 week ago
I think the moral high ground was a myth that GW has help debunk. The veil has been lifted from many American eyes
A Brief History of U.S. Interventions:
1945 to the Present
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Blum/US_Inter...
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ETproductions3 months, 1 week ago
What kind of church would preach that brand of moral relativism and call it holy? Brethren, we know what the Ten Commandments are, but we know there a lots of other people who break them, so we might as well do the same. We're no worse than them.
Can't we set our sights to be better than them, and lead by our example?
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Poulenc3 months, 1 week ago
"The report assailed the moral leadership of the United States, saying that, as "the world's most powerful state" it "sets the standard for government behavior globally." But, Amnesty International said, the United States had 'distinguished itself in recent years through its defiance of international law.'"
It is to weep. And to ENRAGE! How could a few men (and one woman), bent solely on perpetuating their own power, and acting "on behalf" of America's wealthiest, bring this country to its knees morally?
We, all of us, must also accept a share of the blame, because of our silence.
But, one hopes, a lesson has been learned. And a corner turned.
Let us show this is so in November!
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automan9093 months, 1 week ago
The people in Guantanimo are lucky to be alive at all. The Geneva Convention allows the execution of enemy combatants that do not wear uniforms identifying themselves as the enemy.
They all could have been shot on sight instead of captured.
Some that were let go went out and did more terrorism.
If you want to close it down then what do you do with them?
I'm all for letting them finally meet Allah in person.
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BB643 months, 1 week ago
That's where the policies of the UN and actions of guys like Carter cause problems. Prior to the UN resolution from about 1977, if you were someone trained in military skills, fire arms, explosives and espionage, and in civilian cloths, you were classified as a spy under any treaty. Anything went. In the late 70's Carter and the UN created the PLO protection act protecting civilian clothed terrorist claiming they were to be considered combat troops. That wasn't the name but it protected the terrorists from being treated as spies. Jimmy once again going against Israel, ironic when you figure the Jewish folks in this country still support the old crackpot.
Anyway, I think most of the folks at Gitmo should be treated as spies. No quarter given, no quarter expected. They don't keep our people alive ever, why should we?
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tkyrchncs3 months, 1 week ago
Give them a fair and open trial with proper representation for them or let them go. It is un-American to hold people on secret charges based on secret evidence indefinitely. It is in fact inhuman.
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BB643 months, 1 week ago
They're not protected under the standard laws of any nation. They're combat trained and working undercover striking where they can as a spy does. Treat them as a spy, get whatever you can from them, turn them or execute them. We've done it to spies before and we should do it to them now.
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earthlingerer3 months, 1 week ago
I think that the Geneva Conventions are quite clear in their reach. If you act like an army or militia, you are a POW.
Of course, if you're an a$$ lover like Feith, you'll differ, claiming that these INTERNATIONAL agreements act as "law in the service of terrorism."
But Feith is a citizen of another country, besides the US. He has a definite bias.
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tkyrchncs3 months, 1 week ago
Oh we're bad enough, all right, but we don't hold a candle to China, North Korea, Sudan, Myanmar, and others. And we are unlikely to be killed here for complaining about it.
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BB643 months, 1 week ago
Nik, I'm sorry you're just wrong. Try Russia. People magically disappear on a regular basis, the FSS is as bad as the KGB ever was. China, Syria, Iran, Saudi, North Korea, Venezuela, Chile, Libya, Egypt and the rest of Africa, Myanmar, Vietnam, and Cambodia all have worse standards when it comes to human rights. You could add Mexico to that also if you're using physical beatings and theft from their law enforcement people. Torture is very common depending upon your definition.
As to the USA, for the most part, I think Gitmo is properly when dealing with the folks currently held. If they were in Saudi, they'd be executed already. They should be treated as spies and when they have no further information we need, then execute them as the spies they are.
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earthlingerer3 months, 1 week ago
At least Russia makes an effort, including bringing likely suspects to trial, as opposed to china and syria.
Besides, Russia is a HUGE country. Rich and poor, as well as many others regularly "disappear" for years. It really is part of the culture.
I knew a guy who was a lawyer for a human trafficker. It became VERY convenient for him to "disappear". He was a classmate at university. Yes, I take some "loaded" classes.
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onlyonesecret3 months, 1 week ago
Former Attorney General testifies that government is planning on martial law and has a secret list of citizens to be picked up and placed into detention centers.
http://www.radaronline.com/from-the-magazine/20...
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Dionys3 months, 1 week ago
Here ya go:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/05...
Now all we need is an event to precipitate the "National Continuity Policy" and there go the elections.
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tkyrchncs3 months, 1 week ago
I pity anyone stupid enough to think they could make this work. The American people would not stand for it and the American military would not enforce it. The government has no arm that would even give this a try. It is possible in very bad circumstances to maintain martial law in a small proscribed area for a very short while, but nothing more than that in America.
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SwampFox-82nd3 months, 1 week ago
Thanks Eleonore, the site opened for me. The chances are their server had been overloaded by viewers. Very interesting, my cool friend, the country has declared itself a republic rather that a monarchy. My only fear is the Maoists may take advantage of the unsettled government and intervene claiming it is now a republic of China. Time will surely tell.
Too bad our beloved country still is in the dark ages with our own monarchy, Bush and Cheney.
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BB643 months, 1 week ago
The USA isn't fighting a dark ages type war. You're military so let me ask. What do you call someone that has much of the same training you and I have in weapons & explosives, wearing civilian cloths, passing information back to their command/control leadership, living covertly and willing to kill anyone and everyone when either ordered to or when it suits their need. In my career, we called them a spy. No protection offered no quarter given. You would use whatever was necessary to gather whatever info you could. If you could turn them great, if not, well either life in prison or execution. If they are a danger, then put the against a wall and get rid of them.
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fishifanb3 months, 1 week ago
OK we get it. You think by labeling all of these people "spies" we can justify summary executions. The whole problem, though, is secrecy.
You have no more knowledge than the rest of us what these people have supposedly done. Hell, many of them have no idea what they are accused of either.
You say they have all this training and are passing information. How can you know these things? It is clear that you don't. You are simply making assumptions that fit your world view.
I have no doubt that most of these folks probably deserve imprisonment at the least but what is the harm in airing their crimes so that all may agree? By holding people incommunicado without ever charging them while castigating China and others for holding political prisoners we reveal ouselves to be the worst kind of hypocrits.
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Dionys3 months, 1 week ago
" The USA isn't fighting a dark ages type war. You're military so let me ask. What do you call someone that has much of the same training you and I have in weapons & explosives, wearing civilian cloths, passing information back to their command/control leadership, living covertly and willing to kill anyone and everyone when either ordered to or when it suits their need. In my career, we called them a spy. "
Here we call them the CIA. Or the FBI. In Iraq we call them Blackwater. What do we call them in South America when they're US terrorists training people?
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saintetienne3 months, 1 week ago
"Sixty years after the United Nations adopted the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, governments in scores of countries still torture or mistreat their people"
Well if this isn't a clarion call for the complete dismantling of the Useless...er, United Nations, then I don't know what is.
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getreal13 months, 1 week ago
I don't want you to think I'm for torture, but if you look back into history You will find that these terrorist are descendants of people that invented torture. They have been hell bent on destroying any one who does not worship in their concept of the great maker. These people are like coma cosies from out of Pearl Harbor. They the terrorist made sure that we went to Iraq. Bush fell for it hook, line and sinker. It fit his pocket book. Our people were in a lot of pain and anger from being attacked. Now if Amnesty International has a way to make peace then speak up. What they don't understand is that they may be the next ones that get attacked. I'll bet it will be a different story if one of their people were to loose their head literally.
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SwampFox-82nd3 months, 1 week ago
The United Nations was first established here in San Francisco. Our government thought so much of the idea they moved it to New York. It sadly hasn't been the same since that day. They first said it wouldn't work -- too many governments have their hand in the pot. That isn't the fault of the UN, it's the governments who dictate what they want from the UN that has made it what it is today.
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bamababy3 months, 1 week ago
Please everyone, if given the opportunity, go and see the documenatry movie "Taxi to the Dark Side", It will surely open your eyes to the autocities perpetraded by GWB & CO. These people have defied international laws,constitutioanl laws,military laws and countless other laws and what have they accomplished? I saw no "Shock and Awe" and if "Mission Accomplished" were true,why then are our soldiers still being slaughterd and their lives as they knew them being forever changed? They are ill equipt in the field and we don't give them the care they so desperately need when they return home. George W. Bush and all his little soildersI"m referring to his staffers) should be brought up on war crimes and dealt with on the world stage for all to see that,these people are not the true faces of America and we do not beleive in or condone the tactics used by the Bush administration during his reign of terror.
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Daylight3 months, 1 week ago
Pol Pot is in change of the United States of America. War on terror is an excuse to kill Muslims in the name of Democracy.
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