Obama, the Dukakis Trap, and Meeting Sistani »
Posted by: jovial 3 months agoObama is pallnning a trip to Iraq this summer. I fear he has been forced into this visit by John McCain, who keeps taunting him on his limited foreign policy experience, saying he has not been to Iraq since 2006 and so does not understand how the "surge" was "victorious."
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Beau78903 months ago
No, he won't.
You can be sure there will be no pictures of Obama looking like Dukakis did. Obama understands politics--you don't think he got where he is now without understanding the importance of public perception, do you? And Obama has some very smart advisors.
I also think it's not a bad idea for Obama to go to Iraq. Senators go on fact-finding missions all the time. When they're not lobbyist-bankrolled junkets, these fact-finding trips might actually help them perform the duties of their jobs. The worst McCain would be able to say of Obama going to Iraq is that he was learning about it. Whereas McCain, who admitted to not understanding economics, has not shown us he's learning anything new about it.
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questionseverything3 months ago
first of all obama doesnt have to go iraq to know that the surge was NOT successful...because we all know the political front didnt improve...that was suppose to be the whole reason for the "surge"
i want to address what got us in this mess...not counting our votes.....if the ovr votes in 2000 had been counted bush nevr would of been in office...and those hanging chads were the excuse to make the voting process worse///florida no longer gives precinct by precinct results(until about 9 days after election) which makes any accounting worthless
jeanie dean a camera peop has videoed sarasota countys last election "counting",she filmed the manuel ovr ride(which means no matter what the voters say,the election officials can ovrride that result)
i am terrified that if we dont get paper ballots by nov the machines will "give us" mccain,and as bad as things r now....we will not survive a 3rd bush term
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRFtYGJtOEQ
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AntiNeoCon3 months ago
McCain is a shrewd and experienced politician. :)
You haven't been listening to him lately then. He's an old man with a bad memory just like Ronald Reagan...only he keeps yelling at Obama saying, "get off my lawn".
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Lurch3 months ago
McCain got swiftboated in 2000, he ain`t that shrewd. And despite several trips to Iraq and being a war cheerleader all these years, he still doesn`t have a clue who is who and whose side Iran is on.
McCain makes Obama look experienced!
Look at that gas tax joke. Obama, the experienced one had already been there done that when McCain, ignorantly and naively proposed the same gas tax that Obama had tried and it failed because the gas companies raised the prices/profits to make up for the cut in taxes. McCain was a fool in 2000, a fool when he couldn`t tell who was who in ME, a fool when he said he would rather watch more soldiers die than even talk to an enemy, and a fool when he proposed a gas tax that already failed.
Oh yeah, McCain was a fool when he chose lobbyists and crooks like Gramm to run his campaign for him.
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Lurch3 months ago
Gramm was the single Senator to block passage of legislation that would have tracked OBL terror funding before 9/11.
Gramm was part of the team that caused the S&L and the housing bubble. Gramm`s wife was on a commission that gave Enron a pass on a law that then allowed Enron to create a monopoly energy market that stole billions from American consumers. Oh yeah, Gramm`s wife quite the commission and became a Enron board member five days after the vote to give Enron a pass on the law. No corruption or activism here, no sirree.
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jovial3 months ago
I think the conservative attack plan would go like this. If he meets with any Muslim leaders there and relates what the Muslim leaders there say. He would be immediately linked to being a Muslim sympathizer. On the other hand if he stays in the comfort of the "Green Zone" and listens only to the reports of the Military commander and pro-U.S. politicians he may come out of there with knowing lees than what he went in there knowing.
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Beau78903 months ago
I'm sure there's a Republican attack plan for any eventuality, including him staying in the Green Zone. And I'd be willing to bet there was also one ready in case Obama refused to go to Iraq.
But again, Obama's no dummy. He knows enough not to base his positions only on the ideas of those in the Green Zone.
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Lurch3 months ago
Well, it`s not like the cons have ever listened to anybody, so whatever attacks they are planning there is an answer and lets hope Obama is smart enough to head them off or counter-attack quickly and decisively.
America needs a president worthy of the position. McCain`s time, if he ever had a time, was back in 2000. Too bad the cons swiftboated him, I am sure he would have been bad, but I am also sure he never would have been as bad as Bush.
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aniokly3 months ago
Uh, his Grandfather, his father, his step father, his siblings, all Muslims. What makes you think he might be labled a Muslim sympathizer? Unless he decideds to throw that Grandmother under the bus as well. He could read todays Washington Post to decide who is winning.
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dunkirk3 months ago
Ani there is an old saying, Its one thing to be stupid, its another to let everyone know. You seem intent on proving that right. It seems we've gottn into the mess we are in because of the intolerance that the Republicans preach about anyone and anything NOT like themselves. We overthrow Saddam to bring "democracy" to Iraq yet support the Saudis in supressing their people. We rail against the torture Saddam did to his political opponents yet cheer when Bush approves of torture. You people are truly pathetic.
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Lurch3 months ago
> Uh, his Grandfather, his father, his step father, his siblings, all Muslims. What makes you think he might be labled a Muslim sympathizer? Unless he decideds to throw that Grandmother under the bus as well. He could read todays Washington Post to decide who is winning.
Enough about McCain, how about Hillary?
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Lurch3 months ago
> and yes, it is because of the surge recommended by Sen McCain.
lmao!
First, the success is due to negotiating with Al Sadr and other parties. You know, talking, that thing McCain cannot or will not do.
20,000 extra troops in Baghdad but violence down across the country to 2005 levels. Hmm. BTW, it was Shinseki, the guy who Bush fired, who first said a surge was needed. He told the Bushies so back in 2002 and was summarily fired.
Pathetic attempt to give McCain credit for something that never happened.
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IanFraigun3 months ago
Knock Knock
When people are having trouble paying for food and enough gas to get to work the situation in Iraq will not matter in the least about voting decisions.
This economy has been provided by the republicans and people realize that and will vote to change so they can eat and work and live without being driven poor by the economic policies of the republican administration.
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hyperbola3 months ago
If the american media were dong their jobs, we would know that McCain doesn't understand shhiiittt about Iraq - despite his visits to the Green Zone.
McCain and Lieberman - The Chalabsey Twins
Politics â;; As McCain and Lieberman criticize Obama for being inexperienced and naive, they hope audiences will forget both were taken in by the most-successful foreign-policy con man - and close friend of Iranian intelligence - of his generation, Ahmad Chalabi. A McCain administration would seem ripe for the picking by would-be Chalabis.
http://politics.propeller.com/story/2008/05/30/...
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hyperbola3 months ago
McCain (Mis)Speaks
Politics â;; McCain is touted as having great experience, but a review of his statements over the last 8 years shows that he has been wrong on almost every occasion with respect to Iraq. Does America want a president who has repeatedly been wrong?
http://politics.propeller.com/story/2008/05/30/...
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BillieMaxer3 months ago
How about those republicans who were duped when Bush told you that you shouldn't buy drugs from across the border in Canada, saying that the drugs haven't been tested enough and might not be safe. Yet they were the same drugs that were sold to your pharmacies that they sold to Canada. Duhhhhh If that isn't duping and all for the benefit of the big drug companies, thats the repubs for ya!
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BillieMaxer3 months ago
Can you not read, no wonder you got duped so easy. The foreign(Canadian)(and most wouldn't call Canadian foreign)drugs mostly come from the States in the first place. Your government rips the heck out of the poor people in your country for the costs of drugs. So the poor are forced to buy the same drugs by your companies ,that are sold to Canada, from Canadian pharmacies at lower prices than they pay in their own country.Its ok for someone as well off as yourself, but don't you care about your less fortunate countrymen? Stupid question to you, especially if they are black!
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pcknowledge3 months ago
I feel sorry for Obama. McCain, the fool he is, keeps insisting Obama should visit Iraq. Iraq is devastated, our military has the impossible task of distinguishing between Iraq's military, Sunnis, Shiites, civilians and whoever else is there. Roadside bombs fly of everywhere. The majority of civilians are unemployed. Bush's invasion turned most of Iraq into ruins. I have no idea what Obama should do in Iraq, besides shake hands with our troops & tell them they will come home soon. Iraq will never be a democracy, the Iraqis are not allowing Bush or McCain to decide who their next leader will be. It's not a safe place by any stretch of the imagination for anyone besides McCain who was surrounded by Bodyguards when he visited the less dangerous parts of Iraq.
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Lurch3 months ago
> It's not a safe place by any stretch of the imagination for anyone besides McCain who was surrounded by Bodyguards when he visited the less dangerous parts of Iraq.
Yeah, see my link below. Total Dukakis moment - `look at how safe I am, no different from home` with 100 GIs surrounding me, a bullet-proof vest on, three blackhawks and two apache gunships overhead.
What a moron!
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aniokly3 months ago
I bet Obama is shamed into going to Iraq, and he will do something stupid for the press to report back to the American people before Labor day.
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ETproductions3 months ago
You don't wander onto the political stage as a relatively unknown first-term senator and trounce the Clintons in a Democratic Primary by being a political idiot.
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lum-chate3 months ago
"trounce the Clintons"
He won by the skin of his teeth & if his funny friends would have come to the surface earlier he would have been toast shortly after New Hampshire!
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Lurch3 months ago
wrong.
His `funny friends` were a made up non-issue by the right wing media because they didn`t have anything real on him.
The media only spent 7% of their political reporting time on actual news according to David Broder, and the #1 story was the Wright non-issue.
Interestingly, the media has given a pass to Bush on his funny friends like the bin ladins, the Saudis, the Moonies, etc. How about McCain and Hagee, Parsely, etc. He has finally dumped them, but where`s the fair & balanced media hype?
Nah, if the nuttos had anything real, they would have played it already.
McCain has had a total pass from the media, but its about to end now that the Dems are down to two last primaries.
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automan9093 months ago
Obama is obviously too inexperienced and too stupid to be President. Every time he opens his mouth he puts his foot in it. He has terrorists for friends and racists for preachers and mentors. He wants to raise my taxes to give my hard earned money to the lazy folks that won't work. He wants to surrender to the terrorists in Iraq and cause mass murder after we leave. There is nothing good about him.
I can see no reason to vote for him just because he is half black.
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Lurch3 months ago
I did not know that Obama was friends with Bush and when did he pick up Hagee, Parsley, or Moon for his preacher. Wow, good thing you edumacated me.
Reagan and Bush have already raised your taxes more than any Democrat has in my or your lifetime ever will, but they just did not have the courage to make you make the payments. Instead, they played the game of shirk your taxes onto your children`s future prosperity, and only self-centered dolts fell for it.
Obama and the Dems have too much pride to shirk current spending onto our children. That`s called integrity and fiscal conservatism.
Nobody wants to surrender to anybody. But instead of being the source of ME instability, Obama wants to make the Iraqis responsible for themselves, it has been five years. We`ve did all we could do years ago. It is up to them to take over, unless of course you believe in a nurturing, mother-welfare type military.
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cushi3 months ago
And I have no reason to deem you intelligent just because you are human. Case closed.
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lum-chate3 months ago
Mot
Good points all. Possibly he could travel south to Africa and meet up with his Luo tribesman Kenyan cousin who is one of the leaders in rebellion against the American backed government.
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dunkirk3 months ago
"being with his muslim cumba,s so much he will want to stay "
WOW, thanks for making it SO clear as to why McCain wants to stay for 100 years. I always felt he was a Muslim sympathizer.
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Lurch3 months ago
McCain has already provided the `dukakis` moment of this election:
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/01/mccain-iraq...
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dunkirk3 months ago
"McCain recently claimed that there "are neighborhoods in Baghdad where you and I could walk through those neighborhoods, today." In a press conference after his Baghdad tour, McCain told a reporter that his visit to the market today was proof that you could indeed "walk freely" in some areas of Baghdad."
As long as you have 100 soldiers, apache and blackhawks flying around. And the righties like Ani are swallowing it.
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