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A glassy-eyed McCain shows us exactly why he is unfit to lead this great nation. (In fact, the U.S. Constitution makes no mention of Christianity)

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Goppy5 months, 1 week ago

See, I just dont get that. I mean, a Religion Based Nation is what we Christian Conservatives want.
But after readin this extensive story tracin the roots of John McCain ... his life story as it were ... I just dont think hes the one to do it.
http://www.propeller.com/viewstory/2008/06/08/t...

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  Locky125 months, 1 week ago
  
  Say what you will...
  But the 9th Amendment to the Constitution means that we should not just assume we have our rights just because they are written in the constitution. Rather our rights come from God. They are divinely given and therefore NOBODY can take them away. Not the state, not congress, not popular vote nor an overzealous court.
  At least John McCain understands that much!
  I'll take that over a Rev. Wright disciple any day!
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    mntnman4445 months, 1 week ago
    
    The 9th and 10th amendments also make it clear that citizens have the right to marry who they choose and that people own their body and can put into it and take out of it what they choose.
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      Wolfie20075 months, 1 week ago
      
      mintnman
      "The 9th and 10th amendments also make it clear that citizens have the right to marry who they choose and that people own their body and can put into it and take out of it what they choose."
      Oh, really, that is a matter of opinion. The 9th and 10th amendments give all not mentioned in the previous amendments of the Bill of Rights to the people or to the states to regulate. Neither the 9th or 10th amendments endorse anarchy.
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        dunkirk5 months, 1 week ago
        
        roflmao, But it establishes a religious basis for the country? Seems neither the 9th or 10th amendments endorse a religion. ALtho I guess if you have to Allah did grant us the rest right or do you think it was Zeus? Since it doesn't define Creator which is the actual word used in the COnstitution.
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        Codi69345 months, 1 week ago
        
        There you go again!!
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        scott42615 months, 1 week ago
        
        {yawn!}
        Thank you Ronald Reagan!
        
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        dunkirk5 months, 1 week ago
        
        ROFLMAO
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        mntnman4445 months, 1 week ago
        
        A matter of opinion? LMAO!Beau was kind enough to post it...Since there is no "enumeration" concerning marriage or federal restrictions on marriage in the constitution,the right to marry anyone you choose under state law falls under the 9th.The federal govt has absolutely no right to place restrictions on who a citizen can marry.The constitution is the law of the land ,not the bible.
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        Teech5 months, 1 week ago
        
        Guess we know where Crazy John stands on separation of church and state. Pandering for the votes of the religious right worked for Bush with over 96% of Bible thumpers casting votes for Dumbya. It never hurts to let Christians know that there are billions and billions of non-accountable dollars to be passed out to churches for "faith based" help programs....as long as those pulpits preach vote Republican and remember all rights come from Jesus.
        Those millions whose God is NOT some dead guy on a stick are just out of luck.
        So, wave that cross, thump that Bible, and kill a moslem for Christ! There's plenty of money in it for ya'!
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        ProudBlueTexan5 months, 1 week ago
        
        It's about the Constitution, not the Bible.
        
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      truthiness5 months, 1 week ago
      
      Amendment IX
      The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
      [no comment on religion I can see. appears to simply say the govt can not use the bill of rights as a tool to take away non-listed rights.]
      Amendment X
      The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.
      [again, nothing about religion, it just says this is the govts jurisdiction and no more]
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        truthiness5 months, 1 week ago
        
        Amendment IX
        The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
        Amendment X
        The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.
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        truthiness5 months, 1 week ago
        
        propellered
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        MisterX5 months, 1 week ago
        
        There used to be a thing called "separation of church and state" also.
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        truthiness5 months, 1 week ago
        
        Amendment I
        Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
        [separation of church and state is not actually stated in the Constitution. what it says is that no laws shall be made to affect religion one way or another. the goal was to prevent a state religion. some founders were christian some deist some atheist. they had citizens of all sects from all over the globe. the goal was to prevent any of them being forced to obey the will of another on matters of faith. this does not prevent congressional silent prayer or allowing religious charities to be supported as other charities are. it just prevents the government from telling you what religion should be.]
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        Leemck025 months, 1 week ago
        
        Truthiness, what about the concept of intellectual property? The writers of the Constitution did admit several places they used the Bible as a guide. To do so is not establishing religion, rather resourcing. Therefore, Giving credit where it is due, as the presumption is that God is the principle inspiration and author. Americans must admit the document is functional, though twisted beyond recognition at times. The point is it has potential to foster tranquility and stuff when not hijacked by the temporary fanatics that come through history once in a while.
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        CaptainLucid5 months, 1 week ago
        
        "The writers of the Constitution did admit several places they used the Bible as a guide."
        Name one.
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        Leemck025 months, 1 week ago
        
        You called me up on that one, taking a little liberty for the sake of brevity; which I should not have done, knowing the subject is a mine field. Allow me to define my use of the phrase "did admit". Constitutional scholars and political historians, see books like "A Worthy Company: Brief of the Framers of the United States Constitution", "The Origins of American Constitutionalism", and others did find some portion of the founders and framers of the Constitution to be of a religious faith; some were Christian. Tommie Jefferson, defiant, in his Jefferson Bible, wanted to rewrite it. In writings and letters some expressed their thoughts as influenced by the Bible. Post limits prohibit extensive research findings. Religious references were tossed about drafting the Constitution, some tossed out. If one bit of Bible influenced one person who participated or signed, then I say they were guided, influenced, stimulated, etc. and credit is due.
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        Leemck025 months, 1 week ago
        
        CaptainLucid, I ran out of post, but I do want you to know I am not trying to pass myself off as a Constitutional, history or Theology scholar, that question mark was truly a question. I was seeking a comment to see where others come from; not taking a stance of correctness. I don't know but I can explain why I came up with my question, being uncertain. I do stand by the latter part where I stated, "The point is . . . . I ran out of post there too before I could develop the idea, we need to be more concerned about protecting the Constitution, and religion itself isn't bad. Like John Adams said, "that for the people religion is dear, but for the government it is merely useful".
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        CaptainLucid5 months, 1 week ago
        
        I have done a good amount of research on the subject. Most of the founders would be best described as deists. While some may have been devout christians the document as a whole takes very little input from the bible. To say they founded the nation as a christian nation would be grossly incorrect. They saw that when religion and politics mix it is to the detriment of both.
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        JoseMadre5 months, 1 week ago
        
        "The 9th and 10th amendments also make it clear that citizens have the right to marry who they choose and that people own their body and can put into it and take out of it what they choose."
        Since no state allowed anything other than one man, one woman marriage till this century and since every state outlawed attempted suicide for at least two centuries after ratification of the the Bill of Rights, your statement is proven incorrect.
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        earthlingerer5 months, 1 week ago
        
        There have been MANY laws that were unconstitutional until this century. One of those "tyranny of the majority" kind of things that the constitution tried to prevent.
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        dunkirk5 months, 1 week ago
        
        Well actually NO state defined marriage as a joining of a man and a woman, that seems to be what the fundies want. Im always amazed at how if same sex coules are allowed to marry this will be the end of marriage.
        And as for your second statement, NO he is not proven false in essence he is proven correct since it has only gbeen illegal for 200 years or since the STATES passed laws against it. Please read the X Amendmenet
        Amendment X
        The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.
        Seems the states have prohibited it.
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        decipher5 months, 1 week ago
        
        ""Since no state allowed anything other than one man, one woman marriage till this century""
        now mommy, don't forget the state(s) that allowed the one man many women rule to come into play.
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    jordan115 months, 1 week ago
    
    Yes Locky, the founders did agree that our rights come from our creator. Who or what that 'creator' is, wasn't their point, which is why they didn't say 'god.' And that's where people get jumbled in the message. Some say that creator is the Christian 'god.' Some say it's Allah, and so on. The point was, we all share the same rights by being human beings, regardless of who or what we believe that 'creator' to be. All of that gets lost in the insistence that christianity is what should rule people. Christianity and its dogma, & its rules, and its patriarchal views. By demanding that christianity rules our nation, the entire concept of "all men are created equal" is trashed.
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      antibrainwasher5 months, 1 week ago
      
      Some say there is no God. And lack of evidence for the absurdity of any of the thousands of gods people have invented over the millions of years backs up this rational conclusion.
      To base any political system on a god, is just theocracy, and insanity.
      You want one nation under a god? Move to Iran.
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        dissent5 months, 1 week ago
        
        actually human beings have only been around for 80 thousand years. now the dinosaurs were here for about 100 million years, a heckuva lot longer, which stands to reason they had a lot more time to invent a lot more gods
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        tkyrchncs5 months, 1 week ago
        
        Our genus Homo (true humans) has been around for about 2.5M years; our species sapiens for at least 250k.
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        dissent5 months, 1 week ago
        
        hmmmm.... i picked that little tidbit up from an excellent doco called journey of man. here's what wiki had to say "Anatomically modern humans first appear in the fossil record in Africa about 130,000 years ago, although studies of molecular biology give evidence that the approximate time of divergence from the common ancestor of all modern human populations was 200,000 years ago."
        still, whatever it is it's a drop in the bucket compared to the long reign of the dinosaurs. we tend to think that the earth began for our benefit. my point is that we're new to the neighborhood. the more we learn the more we realize how insignificant we are. late comers to a small rock around an average star on the outer edges of an ordinary galaxy in a seemingly infinite universe. religion is the business of saying the opposite and that everything pivots around us. that was fine when we thought we and the land we stand on was the center of all things. well it isn't and neither are we
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        tkyrchncs5 months, 1 week ago
        
        I cannot argue with your conclusion as to the grand scheme, but still believe us and our near relatives (whom we likely exterminated) to be the most remarkable creatures ever to live in this biosphere. And it ends up the same for us as sentient beings whatever we may know: each of us IS the center of his own experiential universe, and we would be even if we were anywhere else in the universe. For most of us that universe is primarily a combination of absorption from, and reaction to, a HUMAN physical, intellectual, and emotional environment.
        "Wherever I go, there I am"
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        RussianThreats5 months, 1 week ago
        
        Hmmm...I thought dinosaurs were Adam's pets in the Garden of Eden?
        (yuck yuck yuck)
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        JoseMadre5 months, 1 week ago
        
        "Some say there is no God. And lack of evidence for the absurdity of any of the thousands of gods people have invented over the millions of years backs up this rational conclusion"
        The rational conslusion that an entropic universe simply exists of its own power? hahahahahahahaha Now THAT is ignorant.
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        dissent5 months, 1 week ago
        
        ignorance is when what is not known is explained away by the supposed presence of a god which in itself cannot be explained or defined, which just takes us full circle. now THAT is ignorant
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        dunkirk5 months, 1 week ago
        
        ROFLMAO, yeah but a mythical being snaps his fingers and we appear, yeah that really ties all those ends together.
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        decipher5 months, 1 week ago
        
        sounds more like faith to me.
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        JoseMadre5 months, 1 week ago
        
        "Some say there is no God. And lack of evidence for the absurdity of any of the thousands of gods people have invented over the millions of years backs up this rational conclusion"
        The rational conslusion that an entropic universe simply exists of its own power? hahahahahahahaha Now THAT is ignorant.
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        CaptainLucid5 months, 1 week ago
        
        Not half as absurd as thinking there is some magical power that listens to your prayers and thinks you are more special than any of the other 6 billion people. Hell there are nowhere near 6 billion people on propeller but we have already figured out your opinion is crap. And you think somehow there is a supreme being? If there is he would neg your dumb ass just like we do when we are not ignoring you.
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    Beau78905 months, 1 week ago
    
    I don't know where you get your information, Locky.
    Here is the 9th amendment, in its entirety:
    "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."
    Here's a link to the entire text of the Constitution:
    http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html
    There is NO mention of God or Christianity.
    What the 9th amendment means is that just because the Constitution lists some specific rights does not mean it should be interpreted to deny those not mentioned.
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      bruhaha5 months, 1 week ago
      
      "I don't know where you get your information, Locky."
      He got it from the Christian nationalist constitution....you know the one that is "replete with references to God"
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      tkyrchncs5 months, 1 week ago
      
      Or more specifically, that it is unconstitutional for the government to restrict rights on the basis of their not having been enumerated.
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    smithichie5 months, 1 week ago
    
    I see Lockey12 and John McCain aren't "originalists" when it comes to the Constitution, instead they would like to add things that aren't there. Maybe they just haven't ever read it.
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      Beau78905 months, 1 week ago
      
      That's why I posted the link. When I quoted the Constitution last week to birddog54, he called it "gibberish."
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        bruhaha5 months, 1 week ago
        
        Seems like there is some other constitution floating around out there that certain politicians and propeller members are reading.
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      Beau78905 months, 1 week ago
      
      double...
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      bamababy5 months, 1 week ago
      
      You understand,a continuation of sorts of the Bush/Cheney policies of" because it's what I want TO dO,so I do it..."The republicans or a certain base of them seem to think that they have the right to rewrite constitutional law to fit their own agenda's. Hello, is this not why they need to go far far away? No way we can afford this man in the white house absolute idiocy to even entertain the thought of another bush junkie in command. So called pro lifers, but lets go make war and kill thousands upon thousands of innocents, don't mistreat our soldiers, but god help you if we "catch" you... they want everyone else to play by the written rules while they make their own up as they go along. The American people have said enough already and we are uniting and reclaiming that which is ours. This country,our freedom from criminal activity among our leaders, Revisiting the good old constitution on which this counry was founded
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        obiefrommuskogee5 months, 1 week ago
        
        Using God as a marketing tool to justify "mob" behavior is thoroughly revolting. Now the justification is the "judeo Christian mob. There were no "judeo" beginnings to this country.
        Nothing the neocons do is justified. It is simply selfcenteredness projected on the external world.
        Remember "My God is bigger than your God."
        Or how about Bush telling the media, when asked about the death of american soldiers: " God has a funny way of doing things." As if the decision to go to war was directed by God.
        This is megalomania of the most dangerous form. The reason Bush is called the chimp is because his behavior stems from our chimp legacy. Evidently, the guy is not as evolved as the rest of us, and he caters to the lowest form of behaviors centered in our primitive brain.
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        tchef5 months, 1 week ago
        
        He's also called the chimp because many of his facial expressions resemble a chimp.
        http://www.bushorchimp.com/
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      CaptainLucid5 months, 1 week ago
      
      Originalist is just a right wing code word like "states rights" that means we support discrimination and jesus in government.
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      Lurch5 months, 1 week ago
      
      Ted Sampley, who fought with US Special Forces in Vietnam and is now a leading campaigner for veterans' rights, said: 'I have been following John McCain's career for nearly 20 years. I know him personally. There is something wrong with this guy and let me tell you what it is â;; deceit.
      'When he came home and saw that Carol was not the beauty he left behind, he started running around on her almost right away. Everybody around him knew it.
      'Eventually he met Cindy and she was young and beautiful and very wealthy. At that point McCain just dumped Carol for something he thought was better.
      'This is a guy who makes such a big deal about his character. He has no character. He is a fake. If there was any character in that first marriage, it all belonged to Carol.'
      One old friend said: 'Carol always insists she is not bitter, but I think that's a defence mechanism.`
      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-10249...
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        Lurch5 months, 1 week ago
        
        McCain better thank God we are not a Constitutionally Christian country. He would be one of the first to be disqualified for public service.
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    Blackacereturn5 months, 1 week ago
    
    If there is a hell the so-call Christian Conservatives in this country will all be there with me and bush and this entire bunch!
    They are the most ungodly bunch of people i have ever placed my eyes on.
    Like the constitution the ten commandments means nothing to them.
    The following are the 10 commandments and may god forgive me for posting it in such a place in such a post but maybe just maybe you will remember what god is all about!
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      Blackacereturn5 months, 1 week ago
      
      First
      "I am The Lord your God, Who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before Me."
      Second
      "You shall not make for yourself a graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them or serve them; for I The Lord your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate Me, but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love Me and keep My Commandments."
      
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        Blackacereturn5 months, 1 week ago
        
        Third
        "You shall not take The Name of The Lord your God in vain; for The Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His Name in vain."
        Fourth
        "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor, and do all your work; but the seventh day is a Sabbath to The Lord your God; in it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, your manservant, or your maidservant, or your cattle, or the sojourner who is within your gates; for in six days The Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day; therefore The Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it."
        Commandments Five to Ten:
        How To Live In Peace With Humanity:
        Fifth
        "Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long in the land which The Lord your God gives you."
        Sixth
        "You shall not kill."
        Seventh
        "You shall not commit adultery."
        
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        Blackacereturn5 months, 1 week ago
        
        Eighth
        "You shall not steal."
        Ninth
        "You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor."
        Tenth
        "You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, or his manservant, or his maidservant, or his ox, or his ass, or anything that is your neighbor's."
        
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        Blackacereturn5 months, 1 week ago
        
        Pay attention to these two and think of Iraq
        Nine
        "You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor."
        Tenth
        "You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, or his manservant, or his maidservant, or his ox, or his ass, or anything that is your neighbor's."
        'or his OIL
        
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        DeadXXXManXXXTalkin5 months, 1 week ago
        
        where's 'Thou shalt not lie'?
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        scott42615 months, 1 week ago
        
        Number 9
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        DeadXXXManXXXTalkin5 months, 1 week ago
        
        That one seems to have a loophole in it by saying 'against your neighbor', unless you wanna say me telling a woman 'that dress looks good on you' effects my neighbor adversely, or that any lie is 'against my neighbor' because the truth serves everyone, and a diminishment of the general truth effects us all adversely. I sincerely always wondered about that one
        what's with spellcheck underlining 'diminishment'.
        I hate looking up stuff for no reason
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        cushi5 months, 1 week ago
        
        May be it's a matter of perception. To me it means that everyone was considered a "neighbor" then, hence, the commandment applied to all. The Israelites were relatives and extended family who lived close together in Egypt's slave quarters. The broader application is to all mankind because throughout the biblical text, we are instructed to love one another as brothers, and to love our neighbors as we love ourselves (equivalent to the secular adage known as the "golden rule").
        As to the issue of complimenting someone when you don't really believe what you are saying, it is a form of bearing false witness. It should not be done, not only because it is hypocritical, but because when you lie about one thing, however harmless or even "good" it may seem, it becomes easier to lie about many things.
        But we, in the natural, are deceptive by nature, and we convince ourselves that it's okay to tell a "white" lie to make somebody feel good.
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        DeadXXXManXXXTalkin5 months, 1 week ago
        
        lies are the grease that keep the gears of existence turning
        also, the Hebrews of the time were a tribal people and these commandments were most likely seen as applying only to their own people. Hence Joshua, Moses's right hand man, could genocide the people of Canaan and still be considered devout and not a breaker of the Law
        Joshua was one of the few people in the bible who could approach the 'holy of holies' when God was said to fill the tent of meeting 'with his glory' if I remember right
        but anyway if a woman asks you if her butt looks big, either lie and say 'no' or say 'hell yes it does, that's why I like it'
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        Blackacereturn5 months, 1 week ago
        
        I think it meant what it says. Anyone alive.
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        tkyrchncs5 months, 1 week ago
        
        None of them says this. Bearing false witness is only one form of lying: the kind that gets others in trouble because you either claim that they did something they did not do, or because you claim they did not do something they did do.
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        NoWayMan5 months, 1 week ago
        
        I coveted my neighbor's ox yesterday. what should I do?
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        antibrainwasher5 months, 1 week ago
        
        move immediately to a red state, where that kinda kink is right as rain.
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        CaptainLucid5 months, 1 week ago
        
        But if it is not your neighbor's ox but his ass you covet like the commandment mentions come to California. We just made it legal to covet thy neighbors ass.
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        decipher5 months, 1 week ago
        
        what else has he got?
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        blackandwhitekitty5 months, 1 week ago
        
        So let's get this straightened out.
        Is McCain bearing false witness against the founding fathers when he says that their (all too human) creation, the Constitution, is based on Judeo-Christian principles?
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        CaptainLucid5 months, 1 week ago
        
        Yes because he is old enough to have been there when they were writing it so he should know better.
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