Military Personnel Giving More To Obama »
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Among people who have donated at least $200 to a presidential campaign this election cycle, Obama has collected more than $327,000 from those identifying themselves as military personnel, while McCain has collected $224,000, according to an analysis of Federal Election Commission data by The Associated Press.
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Spadecaller1 month, 4 weeks ago
My son also wears a bracelet with the names of two buddies he lost in Iraq. He will be voting for Obama, because as he states it quite simply, "it is the right thing to do for the troops and the nation."
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Radiofreeeuropa1 month, 4 weeks ago
"Patriots always talk of dying for their country and never of killing for their country". ~Bertrand Russell
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ybdogsct1 month, 4 weeks ago
SPADECALLER:
"My son also wears a bracelet with the names of two buddies he lost in Iraq. He will be voting for Obama, because as he states it quite simply, 'it is the right thing to do for the troops and the nation.'"
I can't believe someone actually gave your comment a negative, SPADECALLER.
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libsRfunny1 month, 4 weeks ago
Intersting to see the Obama girl put his lil spin on this story with the fake headline.
Here is the most telling line of all ...
"An AP-Yahoo News poll conducted last month, found that veterans favored McCain over Obama 49 percent to 32 percent, while the two candidates ran about even in the population as a whole. Three-fourths of veterans in the survey thought McCain would be a good leader of the military, compared with one-fourth who thought likewise of Obama."
Looks like Obama is out in the cold when it comes to veteran support. But, hey, don't let the facts get in the way of ideology ;)
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Secret_Asian_Man1 month, 4 weeks ago
Confucius say War do not determine who right, war determine who left.
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libsRfunny1 month, 4 weeks ago
"You don't give the link but I assume 'veteran' means anyone who was in the army."
If you are referring to my comment with the stats from above, then you clearly did not read the story Aidenag posted. I posted a direct quote from the story he submitted after he changed the title.
Here's the original title ...
"Military See Presidential Race Through Own Lens"
Aidenag's changed headline just illustrates his blatant bias while exposing his hypocrisy -- he always whines if he feels someone even slightly has changed a headline from an original story.
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CRYMTYPHON1 month, 4 weeks ago
You're right; I commented before even reading the article.
His title is at least pulled from the article, but it was wrong to re-title it to emphasise only one point of something written to explain two points in contrast.
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svensun1 month, 4 weeks ago
Nice way to slander the troops, RFE, by quoting a comment made by a socialist that shows complete CONTEMPT for our VOLUNTEER army.
I suppose you, along with HBO, prefer to label today's military personnel as 'Generation Kill'.
Nice way to diss people, who according to HuffPo, are supporting Obama.
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foksipayne1 month, 4 weeks ago
to libsRfunny who negged me then ran away,I may be funny but I'm not a lib. Do YOU think they enlist because they think "killing could be fun."? Or maybe you are one who still thinks it was cool to go help a country crumble... worse than it already was.
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cowboygrandpa1 month, 4 weeks ago
hneal98:
First off if a murderer walked up and pulled a knife. He would be cut to ribbons. If he tried to engage in conversation about killing he is a fool not a killer.
You don't tell someone what you are going to do, if you are actually going to do it. You do it so you don't give the other person a chance to defend themselves.
Never trust an enemy. You'll get killed.
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hneal981 month, 3 weeks ago
coboygrandpa, thanks for your response,
There are those who will announce what they are going to do because they like to make you afraid. I have come across people like this, so you can't say it doesn't happen.
And believe me, I don't trust enemies. That was the point of my post. We don't stand around and let people walk all over us. As a country, we get threats all the time. Those enemies do tell us what they want to do and if we let them, they do it.
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tanglang1 month, 4 weeks ago
Does your son know that according to the Iraqi government Obamas plans for Iraq are no different than McCain's?
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antibrainwasher1 month, 4 weeks ago
Wrong, completely a lie. Obama will withdrawl, McCain will be in for a hundred years.
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Klarissa1 month, 4 weeks ago
Last month, the Center for a New American Security, which has become something like Obama's foreign-policy think tank, released a report that argued against a timetable for withdrawal, regardless of the state of the war, and in favor of "conditional engagement," declaring, "Under this strategy, the United States would not withdraw its forces based on a firm unilateral schedule.
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DanmLiberals1 month, 4 weeks ago
Anyone know how Obama will withdrawl and leave the biggest American base in the world in four years? It won't happen so dont be so upset when it doesnt happen. THis is just like Nancy Pelosi saying she will impeach Bush if she is in office. Look what a disgrace she has become.
We have one of the lowest rated congress in history with two people from that congress running for president. And you guys think anything will change?
BTW the real troops, conservative troops, are fighting the battle. Im sure most of them don't have time to send money since they are busy blowing away terrorists.
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cowboygrandpa1 month, 4 weeks ago
DL:
You are an as*!!!!
"BTW the real troops, conservative troops, are fighting the battle"
Pull your head out of the stinkin' tight body crevice it is in. Both liberal and conservatives are fighting in this war you jack off.
As usual you show a complete lack of any truth. Just conservative Bush Sh*t.
Here is hopin' ya meet up with a liberal war vet who shows ya just how wrong and stupid you truly are.
Man where did ya come from the gestapo school of stupidity.
No I don't think you have enough intelligence for that either.
Do your self a favor and check your stupidity at the door, on your way out.
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FSU92grad1 month, 4 weeks ago
No...but I do believe there are SOME who are fighting in this war who truly don't want to be there...These are the people who volunteered and thought that they would never be called to serve their country and actually EARN their college degree and all the pluses that come with joining the military...They thought it would be a "walk in the park" and THOSE cowards are the ones voting for Osama because they simply don't want to work for their money especially with people like these in this forum and the lefty media painting the war as a worthless and an "unwinnable" war...I mean who's on their side? Sure isn't the liberals...
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FSU92grad1 month, 4 weeks ago
The ones that re-enlist, even some that have been mamed after an IOD explosion, are the true heroes...They know what's at risk and they choose to voluntarily go back and get the job done...There are defintite indicators that the expansion is indeed working and we're kicking the terrorist a$$...THESE are the soldiers who are voting for McCain...
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Tangent0011 month, 4 weeks ago
No, the reason they go back is because of deep loyalty to their fellow soldiers. They don't want to leave their homeys hangin'. It's only tangentially about 'getting the job done'. It's much more about watching the back of someone who has saved your bacon any number of times. The general feeling seems to be: "I'll go home when we ALL get to."
Your comment about the ones supporting Obama are the cowards is beyond reprehensible.
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FSU92grad1 month, 4 weeks ago
No, Tangent, you're full of crap...It's partly because of their deep loyalty to their fellow soldiers but they also know what's at stake and serving their country is their number one priority, not listening to the likes of you or other liberal hogwash is not their priority...
It's too bad you and other lefties don't understand that and somehow believe that we should bring them home...You almost believe that you actually know what they are thinking...You know nothing...The Media who feeds you this garbage knows nothing...The only people who know something and are getting it done is our precious military..I am so thankful that they do not listen to you or the Harry Reid's of the world...They're getting it done over there despite your liberal jibberish and "gloom and doom" talk of this war...
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FSU92grad1 month, 4 weeks ago
The real "killers" of our troops have been the Democrap party claiming that this war was lost, even before the expansion troops were sent it...Even before General Petraeus was there to lead...Yea, ya know...Petraeus, the guy everyone voted on to lead this new expansion including the Democraps ? But instead they decided to bank on us losing and in the process got many of our soldiers killed by enboldening the enemy...Making them more confident and giving them even more ammunition to kill our troops...Harry and the rest of them should be thrown in jail for their comments during a time of war...You want to point the finger, Tangent? Point your bony finger at Osama's precious party...
And yes, I believe if you vote for Osama, you're voting for weakness and believe having tea and crumpets with Ahmadinejad, Chavez, and Castro is what's best for our country...Meanwhile, Iran continues to supply the weapons to the terrorist that are killing our soldiers...
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CRYMTYPHON1 month, 4 weeks ago
FSU92grad:
please don't use profanity, and call people names.
If you think they are wrong, explain to them politely.
That is how a graduate should act; and a gentleman.
Oky-doky?
Because it is cowardice to call people names from behind a screen; and it is an admission that you are angry-filled anonymous with a lot of screen time.
What would FSU think?
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cowboygrandpa1 month, 4 weeks ago
FSU92:
My cousin went back to Nam in '69 because he still had friends he felt he let down by coming home. He didn't come home again whole after that. We buried a boot and a dog tag.
I saw his daughter this Memorial day. She'll be thirty nine in September. She never got to see her dad, only his picture and grave site.
You don't know the cost, she does.
So just stop your neocon drivel about the glories of war. Go to the veterans hospital and see the glories for yourself. Then look at how badly treated they are. Some homeless because they can't think straight anymore, some suicidal, others homicidal. Having to wait for treatment, they didn't say wait when they were sent. Only when they ask for what should be given to them they are told to wait. You are no true patriot. You are a flag waver as long as it isn't you getting shot to sh*t.
Grow up and face reality.
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cowboygrandpa1 month, 4 weeks ago
FSU92grad:
Again, please check for pulse. Are you drawing breath? Because I'm not getting a good indication of your brain receiving oxygen. These thoughts you have are those of someone with a serious brain malfunction.
I don't care who you are there FSU. War sucks if you are in it as a participant or a collateral damage waiting to happen.
You might actually try going to war and see just wtf happens before you start the rah rah stuff.
I don't know of to many people who cheer the death of civilians when the country was invaded for oil.
Are you dressed in your Bush cheerleader outfit? With the pom poms that have Exon and Mobil on them.
Educated in what? neocon logic?
Try something easy like the reason we were put on this earth. Not to kill!!!!
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bill-smith1 month, 4 weeks ago
You said: They thought it would be a "walk in the park" and THOSE cowards are the ones voting for Osama because they simply don't want to work for their money...
Let me get this straight FSU, you're calling members of the military cowards? You, a true patriot, a real American, one who supports the military and all of their efforts are calling members who will vote for Sen. Obama cowards?
Now we see the real face of the radical right. Now we see the how those who "support" the military really feel about them. Now we can see exactly how someone who is SO patriotic that they refused to serve their county views those of us that are, did, and will serve. Good job you a$$. Perfect. You've now shown your true colors you incredible moron.
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bill-smith1 month, 4 weeks ago
Thank you for your kind advice. He can call me whatever his pea-brain can conjure up. He can call me anything his cohort can think-up for him-you know Omega, DanmLibs, blank slate, etc. It doesn't bother me when morons try and attack me. They're idiots and I can laugh off all of their dull barbs.
However, I can not, nor will I let this reprobate badmouth the military personnel serving their country in harm's way because he disagrees with their political point of view. A person who was too chickens**t to serve doesn't get a free pass just because it's a moron on this one.
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bill-smith1 month, 4 weeks ago
Think about this you twit, the normal military enlistment is for 4 years. Count 'em bucko, 4 years. Our little get-together in Iraq has lasted for going on 5 years. Now since you have a college degree you should be able to note that 4 is a smaller number than 5. Therefore, the people that you are currently disparaging, our military personnel that you are calling cowards are the people who most likely enlisted AFTER our invasion of Iraq had taken place. That means they realized that they would be serving in harm's way, either in Iraq or Afghanistan.
You on the other hand have done what for your country exactly? Not what your father, brother, uncle, cousin, or frat buddies have done but what YOU have done. Well, what have you done. NOTHING. Yes, NOTHING. However you'll disparage those who do.
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cushi1 month, 4 weeks ago
FSU is a failure in so many ways that he's eaten up with jealousy and bitterness! He's Bush without the family millions to prop him up and fall back on.
If he really believes in our soldiers and that they are fighting to keep US safe, he could not and would not attack a significant portion of them with such hate and venom.
FSU is the worst kind of hypocrite and fraud...a miserable little wretch of a man.
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bill-smith1 month, 4 weeks ago
You're a pathetic little tu*d. A freak of nature that somehow has managed to survive. A worthless piece of excrement that is polluting the world.
Go on, go find all your little circle-jerk buddies and come attack me. Go on, I'm sure Omega or one of her puppet persona's is around to support your calling of military personnel in harm's way cowards. Go on, attack someone who's already been willing to do something you feel is beneath you you jack-a$$. Because we all know the real truth here and that is YOU ARE THE COWARD!
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bill-smith1 month, 4 weeks ago
What's the matter tang, don't have the stones to comment on my post, just give me a drive-by negging? What, without Omega around to fight your battles you got nothing to say for yourself? Or are you, like FSU another coward?
Yep, just what I thought, another do-nothing little coward. Just like the crowd you run with, all mouth, no brains or balls.
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Blackacereturn1 month, 4 weeks ago
Yeah FSU because they agree to two tores that's what the contract says but they are on their 6th and 7th. That would ****** me off too, the government is playing games they are the ones breaking the rules here.
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hneal981 month, 4 weeks ago
That is not likely since those who originally volunteered would have been released already since their time was up. It is true that there may have been some when all this first started, but from my understanding, the majority were true patriots and went with pride because they love their country.
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foksipayne1 month, 4 weeks ago
You're the one touting that most of them are cowards because all they want is to go to college.
--"These are the people who volunteered and thought that they would never be called to serve their country and actually EARN their college degree and all the pluses that come with joining the military...They thought it would be a "walk in the park" and THOSE cowards are the ones voting for Osama because they simply don't want to work for their money"--
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bill-smith1 month, 4 weeks ago
Coward - your new name - you need to learn to keep your mouth shut. Every time you open it that black hole that you call a brain pulls everything in putting us closer to the sun each time.
You may be the stupidest college graduate I've ever heard speak. That is assuming you actually graduated, which I highly doubt. Then again, if you did graduate maybe they should revoke the accreditation of FSU.
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aerosalt1 month, 4 weeks ago
First off let me say that I am active duty army, and the same ethnicity as Senator Obama. I however, will be voting for Senator McCain. Why you ask? Simple. With McCain I know that he is a straight shooter. To me, Senator Obama seems to go where the popularity is. Mark my words....any claims that are made to withdraw the troops is a complete fabrication. I have yet to see any slow down in new construction of military facilities in Iraq. I have buddies schedule for deployments to replace me, and I have buddies with deployments scheduled to replace them. Sure, if Obama wins, he may withdraw 5-10 brigades to show he is good and true...but when he deploys 3 divisions to replace them several months down the line it will negate his withdrawal. We will continue mission, and we will make mission. PERIOD.
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aerosalt1 month, 4 weeks ago
Wow...not sure what to make of this comment. I want to say ignorant, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, and consider it a lapse in your divine judgment. I simply point to the obvious facts. People have been talking withdrawal for years, and the evidence in the middle east points to further build up. But people like you don't want to hear that. They just want to hear anyone that will scream loud enough that the war will be over. As for your statement of Bush needing more people like me to fight his war? I will agree somewhat. Yes this country needs more people that will DO what they believe in and not just TALK about it. As for my time in this war, and my service, I find your snide remark to be of bad taste. When it is time for me to leave the service, I will do so proud of my service, respect to our Iraqi counterparts, and distaste for war. I will also leave with first hand knowledge of what is going on in Iraq, not just what I heard from someone else.
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cushi1 month, 4 weeks ago
Does it occur to you that GW Bush is still running the ship right now? Of course he's continuing on the foolhardy course he started. He is bullheaded enough not to learn anything and keep repeating the same tragic error in judgment! You are dismissing Obama before he has even had a chance to be in command, which says to me that you are not a fair-minded person. You say you are of the same ethnicity as Obama, but you are definitely not of the same sense of fairness.
An intelligent person knows that Obama will not just recklessly withdraw all the troops...quick, fast and in a hurry...they way they were deployed. That would be stupid and dangerous! He will execute a well thought out plan of redeployment back to these United States while maintaining some kind of presence in Iraq, eventually bringing the vast majority of our troops home where they belong. Your unenlightened, partisan post makes me wonder if you are on someone's payroll.
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aerosalt1 month, 4 weeks ago
Well, voting for either candidate is dismissing the other before they ever had a chance to be in command, and so if that is the prerequisite for not being fair-minded then I am guilty as charged. But then again so is everyone. I never claimed Obama would recklessly withdraw troops...I just said the ones he pulled out would be replaced by others going back in. You are however correct when you wonder if I am on someones payroll...I am on the DFAS payroll.
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cushi1 month, 4 weeks ago
Faulty logic! If you have only 2 choices, it goes without saying that you have to pick one. That does not give you the right to imply (and that's being generous because you pretty much stated it as if it were a fact) that the one you did not pick is a liar who will not keep his word or who will pull a fast one, when he/she hasn't ever been put to the test. THAT is very, very UNFAIR, PRE-JUDGMENTAL and INDECENT of you.
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Sabretooth1 month, 4 weeks ago
You are military and yet you support a veteran that flip flopped on torture. I guess you do not like a democrat who "seems to go where the popularity is" but you can fully support "McCain I know that he is a straight shooter" even though he has flopped around on every speech for the last 6 months or more.
I am curious, do you have more friends in the military who support torture? In Canada we can face serious charges for torture and i have yet to meet a soldier who would condone or support it as it has been proven to be an ineffective tool.
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Justice4All1 month, 4 weeks ago
I didn't expect you to understand my comment. As long as you are happy fighting Bush's war I guess that should be all that matters to you. If this were just about you I would never have left a comment. But I have son's and I do not want them thinking that there is anything honorable about fighting a war based on lies. Sure your willingness to serve your country is appreciated, but fighting this war does nothing for the US or Iraq. And if we are ever involved in a real war I hope you will still be willing to serve.
As for my opinions about what is going on in Iraq I have formed those opinions after talking to many people who have been there. And the vast majority see things differently than you.
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aerosalt1 month, 4 weeks ago
It looks like the only thing we can really agree on is to disagree. There is nothing wrong with that. See the thing that angers a lot of soldiers is the term "Bush's War". People at home have the luxury of viewing the war from a objective stand point and labeling it based on the latest opinions of the war. Others however are on the ground have to see and live it. I am not saying this to make it look like soldiers are the only ones with the authority to speak, but I am saying this so that you can better understand.
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aerosalt1 month, 4 weeks ago
cont... We swore to serve. Now the war is unpopular. Information has come up that indicates we as a nation may have been misled. But that does not dry up the blood of our brothers in arms, nor does it ressurrect them from the grave. This also does not change the plight of the Iraqi people that are being harrassed and killed by insurgents who care nothing about them, but only about killing soldiers and going to paradise. Now you're telling us, the soldiers who fight these scum, that WE are pawns and fools that are fighting Bush's war. No my friend, I disagree. I could care less about Bush's reasons because either way we would be in Iraq. Our reasons for fighting are our own. Maybe this war is wrong. But then again which war is really right? But we swore to serve, and until the day we leave, we do the best we can to do what is RIGHT. I am not fighting Bush's war. But I am fighting a war. I never claimed that war is right. But I DO what is RIGHT. I hope you can at least understand that.
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cushi1 month, 4 weeks ago
You know, the real problem is your perspective on things. NO ONE is putting down the troops! That is a lie from the pit of hell if ever there WAS one! People call it Bush's war out of resentment of the fact that he lied us all (the entire country, including our brave servicemen) into it! We understand perfectly that you and all others in our service are doing so with honor and integrity, according to your sworn oath. You are assuming a burden of guilt that is not being laid at your feet! We do not want you or any other American in harms way for Bush's folly. Our resentment is directed at him and his oil profiteering cronies. We know and trust that you will defend your fellow Americans to the death against all enemies, foreign and domestic. That is a fact.
My cousin died a hero's death in Viet Nam and was awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor posthumously. I would never blame a soldier for doing his duty.
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Sabretooth1 month, 4 weeks ago
Did you not also swear an oath to uphold the constitution? Was there not also something about only following lawful orders? Maybe it is enough for some to just follow orders, although i think if we look back in history we will find that that did not go over so well.
Your government only has the support of 30 percent of the populace, would you have a problem with another country coming in and changing your government out for you so that we may give you back your country? Would you mind if we set up a few bases for a permanent occupation so that we may be near if we are needed again? Hopefully no terrorists would fight against us as we try to help you out because we may have trouble telling them from you honest folk and so some civilians may get hurt in the exchanges. So...can i count on your support?
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Justice4All1 month, 4 weeks ago
Information has not come up that indicates we may have been misled. We knew this from the begining. This war has turned out exactly as we knew it would. There is no new information, only the information that many chose to ignore. I feel the same way about this war today as I felt 5 years ago before 5000 Americans died and thousands of Iraqis died. My reasons for objecting to this war are my own. The war is based on lies and deciet and is a waste of money and lives. Not that the money is important, but the lives certainly are.
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cushi1 month, 4 weeks ago
Exactly my sentiments! Also, call it precognition, intuition, a hunch - I don't know what to call it, but the minute Bush got in office, I knew that something bloody dreadful was coming down the pike for this country and our people. It made me physically ill in the pit of my stomach! I have always had this kind of sensitivity, but I never fully rely on it because sometimes, it's just plain off the mark. But this time? It was spot on! I knew it was because it was too intense not to be. Bush is a destructive, vapid human being with delusions of grandeur and a sociopathic personality. He is dangerous, and so are the people he hangs with. FSU, Omega and the rest of that misguided crew fit right in with them!
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CRYMTYPHON1 month, 4 weeks ago
"Information has come up that indicates we as a nation may have been misled. But that does not dry up the blood of our brothers in arms, nor does it ressurrect them from the grave."
No, but it ought to make someone staring at the grave, kinda ******ed.
Ok; I will accept it is your duty to think 'duty' and nothing else.
But it aint ours.
We are the civilians.
We are the ones who tell the politicians what to do.
We are america. It is our sacred duty to make sure no damn public servant sends our troops to die for political theatre.
That's our duty.
Help us in it.
Support the civilians.
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cowboygrandpa1 month, 4 weeks ago
aerosalt:
I knew others who fought an unpopular war. We did what we had to do. Was it right? Did we do what was right?
We did what was required of us. A lot of people died. Was it right?
Man, all I know is Vietnam is still a communuist country, we lost a lot of good men and women. Many still suffer from the stupidity of extending the war instead of winning it or getting out.
China is financing this war and it is still a communist country.
You do what is right, but does your country who you serve?
These are the things that eat at you. You can't unkill people no matter how much you wish you could.
One day you might understand that.
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FSU92grad1 month, 4 weeks ago
and Justice4nothng and sushi's DON'T hit the bulls-eye....
as usual.
They could have a whole brigade of marines in their face telling them that this mission in important and that we are indeed winning, but they would still tell you that you're all liars based on a few disgruntled soldiers who are pi$$ed that they actually volunteered for something more important than a college education...
The ONLY lies, Justicefornoone, is the ones you libs conjured up...Dems and Repubs both agreed that Saddam had WMD's and needed to be dethroned...I don't understand what part of that you don't understand...If they are lies then EVERYONE had the wool pulled over their eyes, not just Bush...See you libs will never see or understand why war and our military is sometimes necessary..never. All you want to do is talk to our enemies and appeased the hell out of them like Carter, point the finger at Bush and make up crap about how Bush doctored the intell...
You guys are pathetic a$$holes
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Sabretooth1 month, 4 weeks ago
You cook intelligence and then blame anyone that believes it? I am guessing they did not teach logical thought at your university.
There is a reason you had to buy the couple of allies you had in Iraq phase 2...because you were starting an aggressive war for resources and only your own people bought the propaganda. You still have allies in Afghanistan because that was a righteous fight not a terrorist action like Iraq.
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FSU92grad1 month, 4 weeks ago
"You cook intelligence and then blame anyone that believes it? "
No, it's a lie...A myth that you libs have made up to make your "Bush hate" story appear more real...You have absolutely NO proof of that, none...But I do have proof of what some of the other Democrap Senators said before we went over there to kick some a$$...
"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." -- From a letter signed by Joe Lieberman, Dianne Feinstein, Barbara A. Milulski, Tom Daschle, & John Kerry among others on October 9, 1998
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FSU92grad1 month, 4 weeks ago
"(Saddam) will rebuild his arsenal of weapons of mass destruction and some day, some way, I am certain he will use that arsenal again, as he has 10 times since 1983" -- National Security Adviser Sandy Berger, Feb 18, 1998
"There is no doubt that Saddam Hussein's regime is a serious danger, that he is a tyrant, and that his pursuit of lethal weapons of mass destruction cannot be tolerated. He must be disarmed." -- Ted Kennedy, Sept 27, 2002
And some of these quote were made BEFORE Bush was in office...you know, before he "doctored" the intell, as you say...
You guys are worthless...honestly..
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MRCOFFEECAKE1 month, 4 weeks ago
and where's the part where they said we'd be trapped there as sitting ducks and empowering Iran's leader?
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Blackacereturn1 month, 4 weeks ago
McCain is not all over the place? The man change his mind on the oil problem in two different speeches within 7 hours. HE said 100 years but what he meant is if no solders are being killed. In you expert estimation has there been a day in Iraq where an American solder hasn't die? Let me answer that for ya...we have been there just over 5 years about 1825 days and we have over 4000 dead. Please let me rephrase that question. Has there been a day in Iraq where over 2 solders hasn't die. McCain a straight shooter only if you are watching FOX or CNN. And I have my doubts about your ethnicity but that's just me, I am skeptical when it comes to the right AND THE TRUTH, they have lied way too much for me to take them at their word!
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foksipayne1 month, 4 weeks ago
Mccain changing his mind, FROM HIS OWN MOUTH!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEtZlR3zp4c&feat...
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svensun1 month, 4 weeks ago
aerosalt,
Thank you for your service to our country, and God bless you, your family, your comrades and all their families. I pray that the Lord bears you and all your comrades in arms home safely 'on the wings of eagles.'
"The LORD bless you
and keep you;
the LORD make his face shine upon you
and be gracious to you;
the LORD turn his face toward you
and give you peace."
Numbers 6:24-26
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cowboygrandpa1 month, 4 weeks ago
aerosalt:
Well I'm not sure what rank you carry or what your mos is. I don't know if you face grunt duty or rear echelon. These things carry weight as well.
I'll not belittle your beliefs as you are serving and doing as you see your duty to be.
I'd ask you one thing though? Is the cost of the war worth all the hell it is causing? I don't just mean financial costs.
You do realize that in the Bible it says what will happen right?
Is Bush trying to speed this up or delay it? Because there are warnings given about what Iraq will become.
As far as doing your duty. I salute you and your fellow soldiers. This has never been about not respecting our soldiers.
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svensun1 month, 3 weeks ago
cowboygrandpa,
I find it hard to accept that YOU, of all people, would try to imply that the opinion of some soldiers do not count as much as others.
aerosalt is serving his country, and apparently, doing it at great sacrifice to himself and his family. He is doing it selflessly; you know that he will not get rich in the military, by ANY monetary standard.
I am also astounded that you would bring up Biblical prophesy, in regards to this war. Are you trying to imply that Bush believes he can affect the End Times? If he does, then he is not a Christian, after all, for a Christian should understand and accept very clearly the words of Jesus Christ:
" No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."
Gospel of Matthew 24:36
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cowboygrandpa1 month, 3 weeks ago
svensun:
Every soldier counts. I knew some remf's that would say how much they thought we were doing well in Nam. They heard it from command.
They were never in the field and had no clue as to what the real situation in the field was.
That was the only thing I wanted to know.
As far as the rest.
I've stated before we didn't care about political beliefs in the field. Your brother in arms was your brother in arms. You did what you had to do to protect him and him you.
That was why we fought so hard. We didn't want to let each other down.
There is also another saying. You will know a Christian by his fruit. Look at Bushes many think it is bitter.
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aerosalt1 month, 3 weeks ago
Short of sending you an erb, I can tell you that I am an nco and a "triple volunteer" if you get the meaning. As to your question of whether or not the war is worth what it it costs? I don't think anyone enjoys sitting in a vehicle wondering if a few 150mm rounds are buried up the road is gonna turn him into dust. Nor do they enjoy the fact that despite how horrible the enemy is, they were once someones child. Despite what I read on these boards, I can not at this time in good conscience tell these people that we're going to leave them behind to real hell. If we receive the order to leave, so be it. But I will not ask to leave while I am still able bodied. Off tangent, this goes to everyone making comments to me in this board. I would like to respond to everyones opinions and posts above, but I'm going to be off the grid for a bit. If you feel like doing so, you may fwd your comments, complaints, concerns to me via msg I will reply to them when I am able. God bless.
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AntiNeoCon1 month, 4 weeks ago
serosalt - thanks for serving, however if you think McCain is a straight shooter you haven't been following politics closely. The mere fact that he says he is doesn't make it so.
He is a true politican and will go with whatever, anything to win. At least you are voting, I give you credit for that.
As a vet, I detest war...especially this one.
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Ratskii1 month, 4 weeks ago
Aero, I don't think McCain is the straight shooter that you claim he is. Have you observed the number of flip-flops he's made -- almost every issue. He also has dozens of the k-street people on his staff.
I'm not saying that Obama is perfect, he's not, but right now we are in the middle of a civil war pure and simple. I've been hearing from the right how al-queda has been completely nullified. It turned out the Sunnis in Anbar and in Baghdad had the power to do it all the time. So what we have left is a civil war between factions of the Shi'a and between the Sunnis and Shi'a. Have you noted that al-Maliki is allied with the two Shi'a factions that are the closest to Iran?
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