Carl Linder Funds Terrorist Group and John McCain »
Posted by: langm120 1 month, 2 weeks agoCarl H. Lindner Jr.,the Cincinnati billionaire businessman and former CEO of Chiquita Brands International who co-hosted of a recent top-dollar fundraiser for Sen. John McCain, oversaw the payment of roughly $1.7 million to a Colombian paramilitary group that is today designated a terrorist organization by
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ybdogsct1 month, 2 weeks ago
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB217/i...
http://www.thelangreport.com/featured/carl-lind...
"Carl Lindner co-hosted a $25,000-per-person fundraiser for McCain. The event raised about $2 million; Lindner also serves on McCain's Ohio Victory Team.
A report by the Organization of American States states that Lindner's firm also engaged in arms trafficking, helping to deliver 3,000 Nicaraguan AK-47 rifles and millions of rounds of ammunition to the AUC in 2001. According to federal prosecutors, when company officials realized the arrangement was illegal, they switched to making the payments in cash.
McCain has described FARC as 'one of the worst' terrorist groups."
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ybdogsct1 month, 2 weeks ago
"[McCain won't remove Carl Lindner from his campaign team and won't donate funds raised by Lindner to charity,] arguing that he shouldn't be held accountable for Lindner's actions. But Lindner is more than just a passing acquintance, and McCain has done favors on Lindner's behalf in the past.
McCain promoted a deal in Arizona's Tonto National Forest involving property part-owned by Lindner's firm. And McCain's chief political adviser, Charlie Black, lobbied for Linder's firm on two separate occasions in 2001."
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jovial1 month, 2 weeks ago
Is this why in the middle of a Presidential campaign McCain chose to go to Columbia and make this an issue? Good find. I noticed too that McCain is really touchy on his military service records. I really think there's some nefarious stuff going on behind the scenes of the McCain campaign.
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Lurch1 month, 2 weeks ago
There`s a reason the Bushies spread rumors about the other POWs giving McCain the nickname `songbird`. The Bushies said it was because McCain sang like a bird while a POW.
In fact, it was McCain who, to save his own arse put the military operations in jeopardy by telling the VC right away that his daddy was the admiral. He made himself invaluable as a POW so he got special treatment, meanwhile, he put the Admiral and others in a precarious spot.
Not that McCain did not suffer, but it was not like the other POWs who did not have a gets-a-pas... card.
Now McCain betrays the troops again by voting AGAINST VA funding, against equal time at home, and not even showing up for ten Iraq votes despite being the #1 cheerleader for Bush`s invasion.
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Radiofreeeuropa1 month, 2 weeks ago
I pass no judgment on this aspect of the man, as one will say anything when tortured, all the more reason I'll never understand why he objected to using torture til Bush hauled his arse into the oval office, then he was OK with it. (Gonzo said it wasn't illegal). This to me indicates a serious character flaw. This eliminates him as a commander of a yacht club let alone the commander in chief. Wes Clarke was dead right, we should admire his service but understand that getting shot down and being a POW does not really give one experience that qualifies one to be POTUS. There are no real similarities between being shot down and being Chief Executive.
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ybdogsct1 month, 2 weeks ago
http://www.newsweek.com/id/136321
"McCain, who has portrayed himself as a crusader against special interests, is surrounded by lobbyists. Doug Goodyear, McCain's selection for GOP Convention Chair, is CEO of DCI Group, a consulting firm that earned $3 million last year lobbying for ExxonMobil and GM.
Goodyear's firm was paid $348,000 to represent Burma's military junta, which had been strongly condemned by the State Department for its human-rights record and remains in power today. His firm created a PR campaign to burnish the junta's image, denouncing 'falsehoods' by the Bush administration that the regime engaged in rape and other abuses.
Goodyear's firm also pioneered so-called 527 groups, precisely the kind of operations that McCain, in his battle for campaign-finance reform, has denounced.
Ironically, Goodyear was chosen for the post after the McCain campaign nixed another candidate, Paul Manafort, who runs a lobbying firm with McCain's campaign manager, Rick Davis."
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libsRfunny1 month, 2 weeks ago
http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/trailhead/arch...
Employers of lobbyists are OK. Obama has taken $15 million from lawyers/law firms, according to the Center for Responsive Politics, and many of those firms employ lobbyists. Clinton has taken slightly more from this group ($15.4 million) while McCain has taken less ($4.2 million).
Employees of firms that lobby are OK. Take Tom Daschle. The former senator was an early and avid Obama supporter and is now a national campaign co-chair. Daschle is not himself a federally registered lobbyist, but he works at Alston & Bird, a firm that employs federally registered lobbyists and raked in $2.6 million in lobbying fees in 2004.
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ybdogsct1 month, 2 weeks ago
LOL!
Apparently, LIBS didn't bother reading HIS OWN article.
From HIS OWN ARTICLE:
"That's not to say there isn't a distinction between Obama and McCain. 'The McCain campaign, you can't spit without hitting another lobbyist there,' says David Donnelly, director of the Public Campaign Action Fund.
Likewise, Obama has kept lobbyists at arm's length all along, while McCain's campaign only instituted its ethics policy last week after two embarrassing departures. (Regional campaign manager Doug Davenport and Republican convention chief Doug Goodyear had both represented the military government in Burma.) 'I believe he now understands that it is going to hurt him,' says Holman. 'That's why he's taken this new ethics pledge. He recognizes Obama has gained the high road.'"
McCain is responding to and playing catch-up to Obama's lead on ethics.
LOL!
Pathetic.
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ybdogsct1 month, 2 weeks ago
http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/b...
"Both John McCain and Barack Obama say they want to rein in 527s. But two of McCain's own campaign chairmen are serving on the board of a 527 behind a new attack ad against Obama, "an apparent violation of the Arizona Republican's new conflict of interest policy.". In addition, McCain's foreign policy adviser, Max Boot, also sits on the group's board."
http://citizensforethics.org/node/29942
"The FEC has fined a 527 group that aired ads during Barack Obama's 2004 Senate campaign. The Empower Illinois Media Fund violated campaign rules by raising money to defeat Obama without registering with the FEC as a political committee or complying with federal contribution limits and reporting requirements. The group agreed to shut down and pay the fine."
http://www.jedreport.com/2008/05/john-mccain-a-...
"Two of John McCain's campaign co-chairs are advisers to an anti-Obama 527."
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ybdogsct1 month, 2 weeks ago
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0508/10394...
"Craig Shirley doubled as a consultant to McCain and to Stop Her Now, a 527 group barred from coordinating its activities with presidential campaigns."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/ar...
"The McCain campaign has been less organized than Obama's in its efforts to counter 527s."
http://www.newsmax.com/politics/527_groups_elec...
"Members of Obama's finance team earlier this month urged his donors not to finance the 527 groups, and called on them to instead work with his campaign directly. The message has left many donors and group organizers seeking clarity from the campaign.
They worry Obama may freeze the resources of Democratic-leaning 527 groups and other nonprofit organizations operating in the political arena."
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ybdogsct1 month, 2 weeks ago
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/ar...
"Longtime uber-lobbyist Charles R. Black Jr. is John McCain's man in Washington. Black was Jonas Savimbi's man in the capital city. His lobbying firm received millions from the brutal Angolan guerrilla leader and took advantage of Black's contacts in Congress and the White House. Black and his partners were at times registered foreign agents for a remarkable collection of U.S.-backed foreign leaders whose human rights records were sometimes harshly criticized.
What the firm achieved was quickly dubbed 'Savimbi chic.' Foreign-agent records document hundreds of thousands of dollars spent on behalf of UNITA, including $76,491 for limousines, $13,675 for photography and $216,186 for lodging at the Grand Hotel and the Waldorf-Astoria.
McCain 'portrays himself as Mr. Clean, and then he has all these lobbyists around him who are connected to a lot of not-so-clean people.'"
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libsRfunny1 month, 2 weeks ago
Obama totals ...
http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/select.php?in...
Securities and Investment ... $7.9 million
http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/select.php?in...
Lawyers and Law Firms ... $17.83 million
http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/select.php?in...
Real Estate ... $4.93 million
http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/select.php?in...
Health Services and HMOs ... $437,358
Pharmaceuticals and Health Products ... $700,822
Yeah, he's just a champion for the little man LOL
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ybdogsct1 month, 2 weeks ago
LIBS:
"Obama totals"
http://www.newsday.com/services/newspaper/print...
"To link an attorney there to the illegal actions of Jack Abramoff simply because they worked at the same firm is ridiculous.
The attorneys held fundraisers for not only Obama, but also for McCain and Clinton. McCain, who chaired the Senate probe of Abramoff, held two events, one in the firm's New York office, another in Miami. McCain raised $138,000.
Unlike McCain and Clinton, Obama accepts money from advocates but not lobbyists. The Center for Responsive Politics said lobbyists gave McCain $590,952 and Obama $115,163, but Obama returns lobbyist funds.
Obama stated he doesn't accept money from 'currently registered federal lobbyists, registered foreign agents, PACs, or minors.' HIS FILINGS SHOW HE WAS TRUE TO HIS WORD."
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ybdogsct1 month, 2 weeks ago
http://www.azcentral.com/news/specials/mccain/a...
"The McCain campaign has instituted a series of rules aimed at lobbyists on staff, trying to eliminate conflicts of interest. Many of the lobbyists supporting McCain have represented telecommunications companies with business before the Senate Commerce Committee, which McCain chaired from 1997 to 2001 and 2003-05.
This site presents a list of 5 lobbyists who have quit McCain's campaign after having been exposed and 13 lobbyists still working for the McCain campaign as of the publication of this article."
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ybdogsct1 month, 2 weeks ago
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/Story?id=4365942&...
"Jay Stewart, the executive director of the Chicago Better Government Association, acknowledges Obama was 'a cut above' most state legislators and reliably supported ethics legislation."
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Spadecaller1 month, 2 weeks ago
McCain has no scruples. He'd support Hitler if no one
makes a scene. He would have stayed on supporting John Hagee, but when the heat started to climb he bolted. It really doesn't matter what the issue is; torture, Geneva Convention, racism, bigotry, terrorist connections ... if the money comes in he'll take it. But when and if our slanted press finally calls him on his stuff, he flip flops better than most fish. I bet he doesn't even have to hold his breath under water any more; he's been flip flopping so long that he must have grown gills by now.
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jovial1 month, 2 weeks ago
Here's a short video on McCain's visit. Interesting is the fact that he says he wants to reestablish ties with South America, but he only visited Columbia. This ties into your story very well. Another thing I might note. Joe Lieberman seems to be with McCain almost everywhere he goes. Are you thinking that Lieberman could be the VP? I am. Here's the link.
http://therealnews.com/t/index.php?
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Radiofreeeuropa1 month, 2 weeks ago
The only reason Lieberman won't be VP is the republican base whom McCain is shaky with anyway, would not accept it. He may be a neocon, but "his kind" is excluded from membership in their clubhouse. If McCain were to become "Der Decider II", you'd surely see him in a cabinet position.
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CHAM1 month, 2 weeks ago
ybdogsct.
I have great difficulty posting stuff on your or a couple of other members posts.
Last time I was given a reason, it was thought to be Propeller and my Browser.
Can you find out why I have this problem with just some of the people who post? I'm sure its not you.
As I've doing before with you and the others, I'm sending you what I wrote. Can you find out why it doesn't get posted?
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ybdogsct1 month, 2 weeks ago
I'll see what I can do. In the meantime, allow me relay your thoughts to everyone else.
CHAM:
"Another good one ybdogsct. The FARC had the hostages that were rescued last night. The AUC that you mentioned is a paramilitary ( Mercenary ) Army that is battling the FARC for control of the Columbian Drug Trade.
My, My, My, Mr. Clean AKA John McCain and Linder, his Ohio Campaign Guru and Financier is dealing Ammo, etc. to AUC to take over the Drug Trade. And then there's Goodyear, McCains selection for the Convention Chair representing Exxon and others who are at this moment participating in the stealing of Iraqi Oil. Well actually its already paid for, by the blood of over 4100 American soldiers and latest count 1.2 million Iraqis.
And of course Mr. Black connected with the Angola Guerilla who kill to steal Angola's resources.
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ybdogsct1 month, 2 weeks ago
"Arms Dealers, Drug Lords, Anti-Government Insurgents, Mercenary Armies. All you die hard Republicans out there looking for flyspects to lay on Obama. Just take the trash in McCains circle and say "Obama made me do it".
Another good one ybdogsct. The FARC had the hostages that were rescued last night. The AUC that you mentioned is a paramilitary ( Mercenary ) Army that is battling the FARC for control of the Columbian Drug Trade.
And of course Mr. Black connected with the Angola Guerilla who kill to steal Angola's resources.
Arms Dealers, Drug Lords, Anti-Government Insurgents, Mercenary Armies. All you die hard Republicans out there looking for flyspects to lay on Obama. Just take the trash in McCains circle and say "Obama made me do it".
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hyperbola1 month, 2 weeks ago
This fits right in with usual US efforts in military imperialism for big business. Remember that (although the corporate media doesn't tell you) about 40 members of Columbia's congress (including members of Uribe's family) are indicted/under investigation for right-wing paramilitary activity and/or drug trafficking.
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hyperbola1 month, 2 weeks ago
By the way, you shouldn't imagine that this is just the "right-wing" in the US. Lindner is heavily involved with Democrats as well. We have to clean out the stables in both parties - and with all the "compromises" he is making it is pretty clear that Obama is not up to the job.
Chiquita, Its Workers and Colombia's Death Squads
Chiquita International is no stranger to us as through the years we have tracked the various nefarious activities of the infamous banana company. To anyone familiar with the history of 20th century Central American political intrigues, economics and land ownership the name should be no stranger. Utilizing the CIA and the U.S. Marines the company was able to establish a host of "banana republics" in the region throughout the 20th century....
http://www.counterpunch.org/krebs03162007.html
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Radiofreeeuropa1 month, 2 weeks ago
The drug war, like the cold war, is a trumped up excuse to bilk money from the public. Make something scarce or more difficult to get and the price of it goes through the roof.
(Oil for instance). Who benefits from the "drug war"? Those who provide the product, as their product would be worth no more than coffee or bannanas without the restrictions. Without the money, there is no incentive. No crime. No problem.
Duh.
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Radiofreeeuropa1 month, 2 weeks ago
There are plenty of indications that drug distribution is merely another profitable venture American "big business" and government has it's fingers firmly implanted in. (Look at Noriega -He received intelligence and counterintelligence training at Fort Gulick in 1967, and also a course in psychological operations (Psyops) at Fort Bragg, North Carolina. He was merely keeping too much for himself, that's why he was removed. There is no evidence that moral incentives were involved whatsoever, he was the CIA's boy til he got caught with his fingers in the till.)
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB2/nsa...
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hyperbola1 month, 2 weeks ago
Here is a good article about the relationship between Lindner, Chiquita, drug trafficking and paramilitaries in Columbia. It goes back at least to the Reagan/Bush daddy era.
'Para-politics' Goes Bananas
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20070416/evans
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silvera1 month, 2 weeks ago
John McCain is just another of Satan's familiars. (not that I really believe in Satan, but it has a nice ring to it, don't you think?)
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CHAM1 month, 2 weeks ago
A good one langm. The FARC had the hostages that were rescued last night. The AUC mentioned is a paramilitary (Mercenary ) Army that is battling the FARC for control of the Columbian Drug Trade.
My, My, My, Mr. Clean AKA John McCain and Linder, his Ohio Campaign Guru and Financier is dealing Ammo, etc. to AUC to take over the Drug Trade. And then there's Goodyear, McCains selection for the Convention Chair representing Exxon and others who are at this moment participating in the stealing of Iraqi Oil. Well actually its already paid for, by the blood of over 4100 American soldiers and latest count 1.2 million Iraqis.
And of course Mr. Black connected with the Angola Guerillas who kill to steal Angola's resources.
Arms Dealers, Drug Lords, Anti-Government Insurgents, Mercenary Armies. All you die hard Republicans out there looking for flyspects to lay on Obama. Just take the trash in McCains circle and say "Obama made me do it".
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CHAM1 month, 2 weeks ago
coolray, you just identified what is wrong with our Government. We elect leaders to represent us, then they sell their soul to the Oligharcy that really runs the Country. And coolray, cattle we are to them.
I call them the Shadow Government.
That's why I am so critical of Both Republicans and Democrats. What this country needs are some leaders who are moral representative of Americas best: Its people, not just the few.
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CHAM1 month, 2 weeks ago
AbuAmirah, McCain doesn't need to talk himself out of this one. He has an army of Media Propagandists, Apologists, and outright party firsters to do it for him.
I don't think McCain could find his way out of a closet with four doors. Notice that he finished at the absolute bottom of his military class, I believe it was around number 795 in a class of 800.
I often wonder if his IQ plus Bush's IQ added together would exceed the moron level.
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Daylight1 month, 2 weeks ago
For the Right Wing and the American policy makers anyone is against America or the interest of America is a terrorist. Up to a couple days ago Nelson Mandela was removed from the terrorist list of America. The Western world can commit any crime, kill any amount of people still they call themselves civilized world and they do it only in the name of freedom and Democracy.
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CHAM1 month, 2 weeks ago
Daylight, On C-Span just a few minutes ago, the discussion was about Good and Bad presidents. The Guest was obviously a Republican type (he refused to discuss Bush's Presidency)so a caller asked him what three presidents contributed the most to the debt of the United States - Wasn't it Reagan, Bush and Bush asked the caller?
The Guest squirmed and finally admitted yes. Then he set about to try to make excuses.
Currently the two best communication places to see the "real" world are the Internet and C-Span.
That will last as long as the Government doesn't get content contol of them.
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TonyByron1 month, 2 weeks ago
Oh my, which came first-Michael Lang's story or the one by Nico Pitney at the huffpo?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/02/mccain...
I'm no expert but they appear very, very similar and Nico's article is dated on the second, Michael's on the third. Are Michael and Nico the same person or did one "borrow" from the other?
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CHAM1 month, 2 weeks ago
TonyBryon you are observant that they are very similar and all yet there are some major differences, not in who the bad guys are, but there is more info in the Lang Report.
This article is a severe condemnation of McCain.
Is your premise that McCain has been unfairly treated or that the "Facts" might not be correct, or is your complaint that it might be plagiarism?
Could you let me know what your question infers?
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mmrhe1 month, 2 weeks ago
CHAM
You'll notice that kind of response from our lil' bunch of Neos 'round here.
They'll neg your comments and offer no reason or like Miss Alpha say something like, "I just think Pres. Bush is a good man!" when pushed to elaborate.
So Kville you fit right in with that illiterate buch!
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CHAM1 month, 2 weeks ago
mmrhe, I noticed that too. But I wouldn't call them illiterate, just ill informed. Sometimes its hard to let go of your icons.
I used to be a Republican. Now I'm an Independent thinker. We could all profit from not being Party First.
That's what it is going to take to get the corruptive greedy swine out of our Government. Remember in Animal Farm that the Pigs, were the elected reprresentative of the Barnyard Animals - to interface with the Human farmers. After time the Animals noticed that the Pigs had become corrupted by the Humans and the Animals could no longer distinguish the difference between the pigs and the humans.
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sailr1 month, 2 weeks ago
The Republican neocons can't help themselves. They are addicted to lies and corruption. No surprises here.
I hope THINKING people are watching and listening this time around. McCain isn't even smart enough to be able to hide the truth!
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mmrhe1 month, 2 weeks ago
I'm exaggerating of course but perhaps a better term would be lazy.
Too lazy to READ the source of the topic being debated. Too lazy to THINK about it.
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ldave1 month, 2 weeks ago
Obama is the true terrorist enabler, preaching appeasement towards Iran and sympathy for his forebearers, the Muslim umma. His presidency would deliver the United States into the hands of Bin Laden. Only a patriot like John McCain stands in the way of the subjugation and selling-out ofour glorious republic. On this July Fourth, reflect on my words and praise God that he bless us all the wisdom to reject an impious Muslim interloper as President of these United States. All is Known
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mackiemesser1 month, 2 weeks ago
Yusuf Islam (Cat Stevens) is on a terrorist watch list and is barred from entering the US presumably because he contributed to Palestinian charities, at least one of which (without his knowledge) diverted some of its funds to the PLO. Lindner knowingly contributed funds to a terrorist group. Will he get the same treatment as the Homeland Security gave to Cat Stevens and be placed on a terrorist watch list?
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cloud151 month, 2 weeks ago
Obama is just another of Satan's familiars. (not that I really believe in Satan, but it has a nice ring to it, don't you think?)
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