The Critical Election Year of 2008 (or is it 1980 all over again?) »
Posted By bugluver 2 months, 4 weeks ago in NewsThis year may signal another pendulum shift in American politics. The last major shift occurred in the election of Ronald Reagan in 1980 after forty eight years of White House dominance by the Democratic Party starting with FDR's first win in 1932. During that period only two Republicans were elected President: Dwight Eisenhower and Richard Nixon.
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bigurn2 months, 4 weeks ago
There is no comparison between Ronald Reagan and either of these two candidates. Reagan spent years developing a philosophy, and sticking with it. He lost elections more than once along the way, because his time had not yet come. These two are politicians trying to get a good job.
Secondly, the media is driving the context of the election process. Were it not for foreign press and the internet, we would not get some news. The media is making just about everything into a crisis, and much of it is not as bad as we are being told.
Lastly, the current Congress is setting dubious records every week. There is no reason they should be rewarded for that, yet the media would have you believe they are doing well.
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ConquerorWyrm2 months, 4 weeks ago
Reagan did not spend years developing a philosophy...he spent years memorizing the scripts he was handed
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ADAGUY2 months, 3 weeks ago
Reagan was the one who started this downhill spiral into high gear. I can hardly defend him now!
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tkyrchncs2 months, 3 weeks ago
RR had Alzheimers when he was IN office, not just after, and Nancy's astrologer had as big an impact on national policy as anyone (perhaps not a bad thing, considering Iran-Contra, for which HE should have been impeached and Rumsfeld imprisoned, but for which North took the fall).
The comparison is only weak because the current circumstances are so much WORSE that Regan ever faced, and thank God that twit had the easier set.
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Mdiar2 months, 4 weeks ago
Good point. You know, you don't have to use caps. This is sort of like the "youngest President" question, then. If you say Kennedy, you are mistaken, he was not the youngest President but he was the youngest elected President.
2 Propeller nickels to the poster who can not only state the youngest President but state his age (when taking office), party affiliation and political ideology.
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Global_Warmer2 months, 4 weeks ago
Well, Lenin is closer to the right than Obama. On that note, I have to agree with you.
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Wolfie20072 months, 4 weeks ago
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You hit the nail on the head, the liberal democrats don't care who they run they just want their power back. They need power so they can take revenge against republicans and anyone else on the right who has kept them from power that they believe rightly belongs to them. They are like angry, unruly, frustrated children and they mean for everyone to suffer their tantrums.
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toph19732 months, 4 weeks ago
Same thing could be said about Republicans. Obviously the ast majority of Conservatived put party before country. How else can it be justified re-electing a traitor and his cohorts? Anyone that puts party before country is a complete moron. And looks like on the republican side we had 65 million of them in 2004.
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cleare2 months, 4 weeks ago
both you and wolf are right and wrong...
we have to evolve beyond the primitive politics of Democrat vs. Republican and remember that we are all Americans. we need to start taking action on the issues that we all agree on like education, health care and the environment. and we need to repress our natural inclinations to blind ourselves to what we have in common and only see our differences.
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aceofspades12 months, 4 weeks ago
During the Civil War Washington was noted for the large numbers of houses of disrepute that existed. Now there is just one major one left - the White House
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jmopinion2 months, 4 weeks ago
We can thank the democratic congress for holding up drilling which has created high gas prices and inflation and has destroyed the economy. Still no action as the US burns.
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toph19732 months, 4 weeks ago
The recession, high gas prices, inflation and declining home values are all the republicans fault. But you cons never take any blame for the sins of your traitorus administration. Always look to blame everyone else. Just like little promary school kid. Drilling will do nothing to ease gas prices until demand drops. It's amazing the same sheeple are always bleating the same untrue garbage all the time.
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saintetienne2 months, 4 weeks ago
"The recession, high gas prices, inflation and declining home values are all the republicans fault."
How? Please explain.
"Recession" - The economy has gone soft, but we are not in a recession. Ask any economist, check the numbers. NOT officially in a recession.
"High gas prices" - Result of a huge spike in demand from China and India, and output not being able to keep up with that demand. Republicans want to drill and explore for more oil, Democratic Congress does not.
"Inflation" - Market economics, not "Republican's fault".
"Declining home values" - Buyers and lenders are to blame here - buyers because they didn't know what they were getting into, and lenders for pushing them into it. But mostly buyers.
"Drilling will do nothing to ease gas prices until demand stops"
Are you an idiot? It will ABSOLUTELY ease prices. Increased supply = lower prices. Simple economics, stupid.
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amazed2 months, 3 weeks ago
"drilling will do nothing to ease gas prices until demand drops"
huh?
If demand is increasing and you do not increase supply, then prices rise. If you can increase supply to meet demand, then prices should remain stable. If you can increase supply to exceed demand, then prices should fall. Econ101.
Now, does that mean we shouldn't be looking for alternate energy sources and developing them -- of course not. We need them. In fact, if we were to recommission the ALREADY built nuclear generators in this country (that have been shut down, primarily for political reasons) that would go a long way in easing our surging electrical prices. There are three that have been decommissioned CT alone and we have some of the highest energy costs around.
Meanwhile, Teddy K, that champion of all things left and good, says no to drilling, no to nuclear and, most recently and telling, NO to a wind farm in Nantucket Sound. NIMBY!
You guys can't keep saying no to everything!
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agoodlibertian2 months, 4 weeks ago
imopinion:You are wrong about the high prices being caused by refusing to drill for more oil. While there numerous causes for the high oil prices, the number one reason is the Iraq war. This was and is the caused of the high oil prices. So we can thank the republicans in the Bush adm. and the republicans in congress for the high oil prices, food prices, the housing crisis, the credit crisis etc. The dems have not been in power long emough to screw up.
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saintetienne2 months, 4 weeks ago
"While there are numerous causes for the high oil prices the number one reason is the Iraq war"
So I guess the Libs' battle cry, "No Blood for Oil" that was pasted on every other car bumper at the beginning of the war is no longer valid? So what you're saying is the Iraq war ISN'T about oil? Because if it was, we sure wouldn't have the high prices we see now.
Which is it, nitwit? Are we in Iraq for oil or aren't we?
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lum-chate2 months, 4 weeks ago
Drilling for oil is a no-brainer! Of course America has to!
Although I am totally opposed to drilling the skulls of Democratics in search of brains.
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joeblowe2 months, 4 weeks ago
Probably the most remarkable thing about the '08 election will be that there is really no suitable choice between the Democrats and the Republicans. I don't think I much like the Libertarian guy. He needs to lose the beard. Maybe the Constitution Party will do better? It's kind of pathetic. The media SELLS us these two guys, and I can't vote for either.
And if we get a government that is DOMINATED by EITHER party, we are going to be totally screwed, so we had BETTER hope that does NOT happen. The politicizing and arguing and verbal fighting SEEMS to keep things from getting done - but in reality that's a GOOD thing. The less the federal government does, the less harm they will do. They may not do much good either, but their job really isn't to babysit everyone.
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Mdiar2 months, 4 weeks ago
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_Party...
Do they reflect your values? The big things popping out to me on this is the stance on the ability to criminalize "offensive sexual behavior". What is that, exactly? They seem like good people... but they also seem like the kind of people who really want to grow our government in some areas. I can get behind some of the other ideas, though, but they just seem like Republicans on steroids discounting the foreign policy.
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joeblowe2 months, 4 weeks ago
They do have a little problem in an area or two, but the thing about that is: they have made it more difficult to kick out a party candidate that disagrees with the "official" platform. So - have to consider the individual. IN GENERAL, I think they are correct and on the right track. Have to be a little careful about how severely they impose tariffs though - might end up shotting ourselves in the foot. And that crap about anti-abortion and government involvement in personal preferences must be coming from some religious fundamentalists that are somehow involved. Maybe some other, new, perfect political party will eventually emerge. Nah - can't please everyone.
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unome22 months, 4 weeks ago
Unfortunately, The two candidates that have been allowed to rise are both inside men. The country will continue on it's present course no matter which one is elected, wars for corporate gain, occupation of foreign lands, unquestioned support for Israel and the slow erosion of our constitution.
We will still be f**ked however it will probable feel better coming from Obama.
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ind062 months, 4 weeks ago
Wow, this is the thread for wild and baseless accusations!
1) "Nothing will change..." What else does your crystal ball say?
2) "These are two politicians trying to get a good job" Because McCain hasn't run for President before and Obama hasn't said a word leading you to think he's going to change how things are being run.
3) "Democrats don't care who's in the White House, as long as it's a Democrat" After all the horrible things the conservatives were saying about McCain just a few months ago only to turn and support him full bore for no reason other than that he is the Republican candidate this statement is at best disingenuous.
4) "We can thank the democratic congress for holding up drilling which has created high gas prices and inflation and has destroyed the economy." Because spending billions every day in Iraq has had no effect and oil prices rise and fall on Anwar.
Would anyone like to blame the weather on politicians?
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Dionys2 months, 4 weeks ago
"It's been so darn hot here lately! That's it, I'm not voting for Gordon Smith!"
Frankly I wouldn't vote for someone who believes that Joseph Smith translated golden plates given to him by an Angel through the help of a magic rock placed in Frosty the Snowman's magic hat. But hey, that's just me.
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simonsez2 months, 4 weeks ago
No election is "critical" ...
A few things will change; most things will not.
The main change will be a change in rhetoric. The press will tell us things are getting better.
We'll pay more ...
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jmopinion2 months, 4 weeks ago
Lets just keep talking about all the options we have to alleviate the oil crisis while the world economy goes to hell in a hand basket. We need everything right now.
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lum-chate2 months, 4 weeks ago
Cultural attachments to the centuries old philosphies of the founders suggest McCain for the job.
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mackiemesser2 months, 3 weeks ago
I witnessed a political miracle once many years ago and the euphoria that overcame everyone involved in that election is something I would like to experience again. It was in 1954. Hawaii was staunchly Republican ever since it became a Territory of the US (as a matter of fact, the Democratic controlled US Congress opposed statehood for Hawaii because it was afraid that Hawaii would send Republicans to Congress. Of course, they were also concerned about the majority Asian-American population but that's another story). But in 1954, a young bunch of ex-GIs led by Daniel Inouye, running as Democrats, challenged the entrenched Republicans and won a decisive victory across the board. The election stunned everyone that a politically inexperienced bunch of ex-GIs could turn politics head over heels in one night. I would like to experience that one more time. A huge Democratic win for the Presidency and both Houses would do it. No more Bush or Bush clone.
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amazed2 months, 3 weeks ago
Sorry, but a huge democratic win WILL provide more of the same old same old. Obama's already back-peddling on most of his far-left rhetoric that got him the nod because he and his handlers know it won't fly in the general election. He's already dropped his huge selling point -- all troops out, for sure, within 16 months, to all troops out in 16 months "if we can do it responsibly" to I am "refining my position on that" (code: they'll come home when they come home). Why did he vote for that FISA/AT&T shield law??? After all he's said? Even if he thought it was a good idea, it had enough votes to pass -- it was a sure thing. He could have voted against it and then claimed the higher ground (while still having the law in place).
No, the only way to turn Washington head over heels is to elect a third party candidate (I prefer libertarian to green) and vote against ALL incumbents (even yours).
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amazed2 months, 3 weeks ago
Does any one have any idea why my view of propeller is so messed up? It is centered, with no dividing lines and just plain weird and hard to read.
Is this part of the "New Propeller"? or did I get some weird update that did this?
Anyone know how to fix it?
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